coffee_rules Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Any quotes from the royal family showing sympathy to the loss of life because of their fame?
The Outsider Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If I am competing for a job with 10 other applicants and all of them had huge, struggling families that depended on these applicants to put food on the table, should I feel guilty if I get the job over the other contenders? Should I tell myself 'Oh If i get this job, a family may go hungry tonight, so I better deliberately under-perform'? Of course not! I am going to give interview the best shot that I can possibly manage. If you were responsible for the other 9 applicants to come from such families, then yeah you should feel responsible for it. I feel playing a prank in places like a hospital, police etc. is unethical and secondly it's a waste of taxpayers' money even if the hospital was a private entity (all private hospitals get some form of public funding). If it's okay for a couple of guys from Australia to make phhunn calls to a hospital, what will happen if that hospital gets 10 million phunn phone calls from Britishers? This was completely out of order, but I don't think the DJ's should be liable to any criminal prosecution. They are probably nice people and the way circumstances folded out should be punishment enough for them as long as they are chucked out of ever being in a position to pull off such callous pranks.
EnterTheVoid Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 This is the kind of the crap that radio station makes the news for. How the **** does Kyle Sandilands still has a job on that station given all the vitriolic **** he has spewed over the past couple of years, I don't know.
Ram Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If you were responsible for the other 9 applicants to come from such families, then yeah you should feel responsible for it. I feel playing a prank in places like a hospital, police etc. is unethical and secondly it's a waste of taxpayers' money even if the hospital was a private entity (all private hospitals get some form of public funding). If it's okay for a couple of guys from Australia to make phhunn calls to a hospital, what will happen if that hospital gets 10 million phunn phone calls from Britishers? This was completely out of order, but I don't think the DJ's should be liable to any criminal prosecution. They are probably nice people and the way circumstances folded out should be punishment enough for them as long as they are chucked out of ever being in a position to pull off such callous pranks. You're letting the eventual (tragic) outcome influence you too much. How many prank calls are being made on a daily basis? How many times have you been a victim (or perpetrator) of prank calls yourself? Did you simply laugh it off then or were you equally outraged as you are now? Of course, I do recognize that the circumstances are slightly different here, but the actions should be judged based their intent, not on their outcomes. Fact of the matter is - if the nurse did not commit suicide, we wont even be talking about this whole issue right now. Forget the legality of all this, in my view, the DJs should not be held morally accountable either. P.S; Its important that I underscore that I really do realize how much of a deep human tragedy this in. In trying to defend the DJs, I really really do not want to come across as being insensitive of the human cost in all of this. By all accounts, the family of the nurse seem devastated and that is truly unfortunate.
Ram Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Now if only you could be anti-gay' date=' anti-minorities, anti-abortion and pro-christianity you would be the perfect republican.[/quote'] Well, I am pro (late-term) abortion, pro-immigration, pro gay marriage and an anti-theist. :--D A true small govt. conservative will never find it palatable to intrude into peoples' persona lives and order them what they do with their bodies or who they can love/marry or which god they should worship. Just goes on to show that not all of us perfectly fit into this imaginary boundary of liberal v conservative.
The Outsider Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 You're letting the eventual (tragic) outcome influence you too much. How many prank calls are being made on a daily basis? How many times have you been a victim (or perpetrator) of prank calls yourself? Did you simply laugh it off then or were you equally outraged as you are now? Of course, I do recognize that the circumstances are slightly different here, but the actions should be judged based their intent, not on their outcomes. Fact of the matter is - if the nurse did not commit suicide, we wont even be talking about this whole issue right now. Forget the legality of all this, in my view, the DJs should not be held morally accountable either. P.S; Its important that I underscore that I really do realize how much of a deep human tragedy this in. In trying to defend the DJs, I really really do not want to come across as being insensitive of the human cost in all of this. By all accounts, the family of the nurse seem devastated and that is truly unfortunate. What's so difficult to understand that pulling a prank among friends and pulling a prank in a hospital or any such public service authority? Circumstances are not slightly different but are hugely different because if I pull a prank on you: 1. I do so because I have a certain amount of friendship/understanding with you. 2. I don't waste taxpayer's money while doing so. What friendship/understanding/involvement did those DJ's have with the nurse? Or with Kate? Or with the family? Did taxpayer's money go down the drain? The nurse committed suicide, right? Did she commit suicide solely because of this prank? Most probably, not. But if the DJ's had known her as an emotionally unstable person would they have pulled off this prank? Most probably not. With close friends, I take care about which jokes to crack with whom depending on their sensibilities. If I know that a certain friend of mine is prone to emotional breakdowns will I pull a prank like this on him?
Ram Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 What's so difficult to understand that pulling a prank among friends and pulling a prank in a hospital or any such public service authority? Circumstances are not slightly different but are hugely different because if I pull a prank on you: 1. I do so because I have a certain amount of friendship/understanding with you. 2. I don't waste taxpayer's money while doing so. What friendship/understanding/involvement did those DJ's have with the nurse? Or with Kate? Or with the family? Did taxpayer's money go down the drain? Lets get real - its not like billions of $$$ just got flushed down the toilet. So i am going to ignore this for now. The nurse committed suicide, right? Did she commit suicide solely because of this prank? Most probably, not. But if the DJ's had known her as an emotionally unstable person would they have pulled off this prank? Most probably not. With close friends, I take care about which jokes to crack with whom depending on their sensibilities. If I know that a certain friend of mine is prone to emotional breakdowns will I pull a prank like this on him? So whats your point here? I agree that if the DJs knew prior that nurse was indeed emotionally fragile and yet, they chose to go ahead with the call, my point of view would have been completely different. But clearly, thats not the case here. Keep in mind - the DJs could actually turn out to be total jerks in real life (their public display of remorse/sorrow seemed far from genuine to me), but thats not the point here. If your point of view is that prank calls to public institutions/strangers is not advisable, that makes sense to me. But I certainly do not think the DJs are either morally or legally accountable for what happened afterwards.
The Outsider Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Lets get real - its not like billions of $$$ just got flushed down the toilet. So i am going to ignore this for now. But, they can very well be if you set a precedent for such calls to be fine? So whats your point here? I agree that if the DJs knew prior that nurse was indeed emotionally fragile and yet, they chose to go ahead with the call, my point of view would have been completely different. But clearly, thats not the case here. It's about what you assume to be the default in the next human being you are interacting with. If you want to be a sonofa***** and assume that the next person would take very prank/joke in the stride why don't you go and say "Hey, give me some milk, b!tch" the next time you go to a grocery store. The way a society functions is that your initial interactions have to be cordial and as you gain understanding of the individual you are interacting with, you start taking liberties with these kinds of jokes and pranks. It's lunacy to start off with these kind of interactions! Keep in mind - the DJs could actually turn out to be total jerks in real life (their public display of remorse/sorrow seemed far from genuine to me), but thats not the point here. If your point of view is that prank calls to public institutions/strangers is not advisable, that makes sense to me. But I certainly do not think the DJs are either morally or legally accountable for what happened afterwards. My point is two fold: 1. Jokes and pranks should be within individual boundaries established. 2. Public platforms should not be used for these kind of mock acts.
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