Sehwag's ODI future

[Laaloo]

Pitches in Australia are also very good for batting especially in ODIs. Sehwag especially likes playing pace bowling' date=' he has experience and scores runs at a very fast clip. We dont want an opener who cant make the most of good batting conditions. Sehwag in the side is crucial for India's plans for 2015 WC. I wish he works on his fitness and gets more serious about scoring runs consistently again.

Is wishes were horses, beggars would ride :winky:

[Vivek.S.123]

The problem with Sehwag is his attitude. He doesn't care about cricket at all anymore

[Marut]

You are comparing Laxman and Sehwag ? :facepalm: They are totally different batsmen. Sehwag has a SR of 104 in ODIs. Laxman never had the game for ODIs. Sehwag does.

Well, if Sehwag was a player with 40+ avg at a s/r of 80, India would have won many more matches than with 104 and 35. For a guy who bats at the top of the order with powerplays and fielding restrictions on the pattas of the sub continent that is not a high average. Sehwag's ODI batting average against England, Australia and South Africa combined is a meagre 29 and a measly 19 away - in ODIs he is just a weak team bully.

[NareshK]

^^Good luck trying to find an Indian opening batsman who averages 40 or even 35 in Eng, SA and Aus in ODIs. Those conditions are alien to Indian batsmen and we generally tend to struggle there. Eng lost something like 18 out of 22 ODIs in India because they find conditions completely different here. Same with India when we tour these places. I would rather back someone like Sehwag who has got the experience than someone who doesnt have any experience at all in playing in those conditions. That is not to say, others shouldnt be given chances. They should and if they do well, they should be played. But writing off someone as destructive as Sehwag is a wrong move. If he gets his timing and fitness back, he should play for India again.

[Laaloo]

^^Good luck trying to find an Indian opening batsman who averages 40 or even 35 in Eng, SA and Aus in ODIs. Those conditions are alien to Indian batsmen and we generally tend to struggle there. Eng lost something like 18 out of 22 ODIs in India because they find conditions completely different here. Same with India when we tour these places. I would rather back someone like Sehwag who has got the experience than someone who doesnt have any experience at all in playing in those conditions. That is not to say, others shouldnt be given chances. They should and if they do well, they should be played. But writing off someone as destructive as Sehwag is a wrong move. If he gets his timing and fitness back, he should play for India again.

That's a IF and a big IF. Until then, we can groom others for the opening slot. :icflove:

[Crookbond]

Gibbs' date=' Jayasuriya, Gilchrist were not good openers? [/quote'] What happened to the first order logic chapter in the book you co-authored with Herbert Enderton? :dontknow: Average of 35 does not make you a good opener does not imply openers with average 35 were not good. Also, two in those three listed openers by you were given the boot on form.

[The Outsider]

What happened to the first order logic chapter in the book you co-authored with Herbert Enderton? :dontknow: Average of 35 does not make you a good opener does not imply openers with average 35 were not good. Also, two in those three listed openers by you were given the boot on form.

Sehwag has the highest strike rate among the 4 by far and the same average. So, can you educate us why an average of 35 made them good openers, but not Sehwag?

[Crookbond]

Sehwag has the highest strike rate among the 4 by far and the same average. So' date=' can you educate us why an average of 35 made them good openers, but not Sehwag? [/quote'] Good and bad are based on the context of the team and situation. All those openers whom you're talking about are whom I call "gun players". They are good when they're in form and they are not good when they are not. Gibbs and Jayasuriya were also given the boot FYI. Here is where we are at Sehwag "currently". The only thing Sehwag has done since the ODI 2011 WC is to score a 219 against a giant WI attack. Apart from that he's scored 294 runs at average of 21 in 14 ODI games, 10 of those played in Asia. Neither are his fitness levels up to the rigors of the ODI format - his name would go into the annuls as the ONLY player to be injured while celebrating a wicket. :haha: I wouldn't want to carry such a player with pathetic fitness levels, form and zero adherence to team culture which includes media snipes. I don't give a rats a** of whether he's "great" or not. It's the current situation - team needs and form which matter. If that was the criteria Tendulkar should've continued playing till eternity. He doesn't fit into it apparently and it has been communicated to him just like it was done to Zaheer Khan.

[The Outsider]

Good and bad are based on the context of the team and situation. All those openers whom you're talking about are whom I call "gun players". They are good when they're in form and they are not good when they are not. Gibbs and Jayasuriya were also given the boot FYI. Here is where we are at Sehwag "currently". The only thing Sehwag has done since the ODI 2011 WC is to score a 219 against a giant WI attack. Apart from that he's scored 294 runs at average of 21 in 14 ODI games, 10 of those played in Asia. Neither are his fitness levels up to the rigors of the ODI format - his name would go into the annuls as the ONLY player to be injured while celebrating a wicket. :haha: I wouldn't want to carry such a player with pathetic fitness levels, form and zero adherence to team culture which includes media snipes. I don't give a rats a** of whether he's "great" or not. It's the current situation - team needs and form which matter. If that was the criteria Tendulkar should've continued playing till eternity. He doesn't fit into it apparently and it has been communicated to him just like it was done to Zaheer Khan.

Huh? I was not even commenting on whether Sehwag should be in the team currently or not. My point was that if an opener has an average of 35 and a strike rate of 104 he is a damn good opener not a battery from chor bazaar. Whether he deserves a spot in the current team or not does not change the fact that he is a good ODI opener at the very least. Don't see the relevance of Jayasuriya and Gibbs being dropped either. It's not as if they were averaging 40 and were dropped when they started averaging 35. Even at their peaks their average was around 35. Can you explain the relevance?

[Crookbond]

Huh? I was not even commenting on whether Sehwag should be in the team currently or not. My point was that if an opener has an average of 35 and a strike rate of 104 he is a damn good opener not a battery from chor bazaar. Whether he deserves a spot in the current team or not does not change the fact that he is a good ODI opener at the very least. Don't see the relevance of Jayasuriya and Gibbs being dropped either. It's not as if they were averaging 40 and were dropped when they started averaging 35. Even at their peaks their average was around 35. Can you explain the relevance?

Fair enough but the thread title is Sehwag's ODI future so all my posts are made with an eye on it - I haven't digressed the topic. Currently (at least in ODIs and T20s, also quite worryingly in Test matches as well), he is like the chor bazaar battery itself - all depends on Ram Bharose. The Gibbs-Jayasuriya relevance is to the topic in context about Sehwag's ODI future. The people with similar averages like Sehwag were dropped so the averages don't really matter. Just like you say - they were not at their peaks when dropped and so is Sehwag not at his peak when dropped.

[The Outsider]

Fair enough but the thread title is Sehwag's ODI future so all my posts are made with an eye on it - I haven't digressed the topic. Currently (at least in ODIs and T20s, also quite worryingly in Test matches as well), he is like the chor bazaar battery itself - all depends on Ram Bharose. The Gibbs-Jayasuriya relevance is to the topic in context about Sehwag's ODI future. The people with similar averages like Sehwag were dropped so the averages don't really matter. Just like you say - they were not at their peaks when dropped and so is Sehwag not at his peak when dropped.

I don't think 10-12 ODIs is a long enough poor run to be dropped for someone who had 4 absolutely monstrous years with the bat immediately prior to that. I don't mind rotating in other options to give them more experience and test them out, but it's way too early to jettison Sehwag. Anyhow, this is something on which people can have different views, but for an opener to average 35 with a strike rate of 100+ over his career means that regardless of his current form his overall career has been very successful and should not be a matter of discussion.

[Crookbond]

I don't think 10-12 ODIs is a long enough poor run to be dropped for someone who had 4 absolutely monstrous years with the bat immediately prior to that. I don't mind rotating in other options to give them more experience and test them out' date= but it's way too early to jettison Sehwag. Anyhow, this is something on which people can have different views, but for an opener to average 35 with a strike rate of 100+ over his career means that regardless of his current form his overall career has been very successful and should not be a matter of discussion.

Form + Fitness + Attitude - enough for me to be dropped.