Lord Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 this is problem with you people its not odi unless ashwin does his main role well he is useless even if he scores 50 cos we will still not win match in tests you have to do your main role first and than add some value over it.. you cannot just say i batted well so bowling bad does not matters cos it does.. no I mean they'll be hoping even his bowling clicks in more favourable conditions at Durban. but it gives advantage above others.its not like Jaddu and Ojha will guranteedly take wickets,its all about taking a chance,so why not back him for one more game. the thing that goes against him is RHBs in SA camp.
Old guy Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 no I mean they'll be hoping even his bowling clicks in more favourable conditions at Durban. but it gives advantage above others.its not like Jaddu and Ojha will guranteedly take wickets,its all about taking a chance,so why not back him for one more game. the thing that goes against him is RHBs in SA camp. ashwin has been failure away from home until now so i will rather try sir if you want spinner badly but for me its clear if we have any chance of winning we have to play one more fast bowler wth ashwin is trying same thing over and over again and expecting different result ..this is best he can do right now on non turners and south africa play spin well specially off spin so i do not see point of playing him again also batting.. you make it sound like he will surely make 50 and that we will surely need those runs..truth is we need wickets more badly than runs cos i have more hopes from dhawan or rohit firing in next game than ashwin
Lord Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 ashwin has been failure away from home until now so i will rather try sir if you want spinner badly but for me its clear if we have any chance of winning we have to play one more fast bowler wth ashwin is trying same thing over and over again and expecting different result ..this is best he can do right now on non turners and south africa play spin well specially off spin so i do not see point of playing him again also batting.. you make it sound like he will surely make 50 and that we will surely need those runs..truth is we need wickets more badly than runs cos i have more hopes from dhawan or rohit firing in next game than ashwin Actually all his away tests have been in Australia and now Wanderers where no offspinner has done well.even Ajmal n Swann have struggled.so bit harsh to judge. in Durban spinners have done well though,and this is also looking like its gonna be same(AB said that). Anyway I am pretty sure they won't be any changes so lets hope for the best:pray: I'm saying we MAY need his batting.we have needed him at times in even India,so not unrealistic to think they may loose quick wickets against this attack and need him.he looked comfortable in his short stay in JoBurg too.
Old guy Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 Actually all his away tests have been in Australia and now Wanderers where no offspinner has done well.even Ajmal n Swann have struggled.so bit harsh to judge. in Durban spinners have done well though,and this is also looking like its gonna be same(AB said that). Anyway I am pretty sure they won't be any changes so lets hope for the best:pray: I'm saying we MAY need his batting.we have needed him at times in even India,so not unrealistic to think they may loose quick wickets against this attack and need him.he looked comfortable in his short stay in JoBurg too. problem is that you arei ncluding him in team cos of batting when he is failing to do his first job and about durban we will ass see what it is like tomorrow or day after and dhoni and team management are smart enough to see if it iwll turn or not if it turns we have major advantage and same ashwin will become good bowler my problem with him is unlike swann (who just retired) he has looked totally useless in tracks with little turn cos he does nothing in air swann actually bowled beautifully in south africa but they batted well against him in england they even batted well against pak but my point is if its a green track or even track like we had in first game just play 4 quicks without worrying about batting cos we may or may not need batting of tialenders but we obviously need wickets from bowlers
Lord Posted December 24, 2013 Posted December 24, 2013 problem is that you arei ncluding him in team cos of batting when he is failing to do his first job and about durban we will ass see what it is like tomorrow or day after and dhoni and team management are smart enough to see if it iwll turn or not if it turns we have major advantage and same ashwin will become good bowler my problem with him is unlike swann (who just retired) he has looked totally useless in tracks with little turn cos he does nothing in air swann actually bowled beautifully in south africa but they batted well against him in england they even batted well against pak but my point is if its a green track or even track like we had in first game just play 4 quicks without worrying about batting cos we may or may not need batting of tialenders but we obviously need wickets from bowlers no I'm saying that since its expected to turn,stick with him for one more game and hope for wickets rather than trying Jaddu or Ojha.Then if we need his batting it can come handy too as a bonus. If its green then I can agree play 4 quicks even though teams rarely do that. I'm not comparing but even Swann was ineffective in JoBurg.it was in other venues he picked wickets including 9fer in Durban which won the game. so I think we can expect better performance from Ashwin himself if its a typical Durban pitch
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