South_Paw Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 These folks have lived all along in India' date=' can never visit their friends and family ever again! Let's see who will be crying out.[/quote'] They are not going to fu*king care about that. When the entire white collared Indian diaspora at US longs for green cards, these people will happily trade of their connections with India for getting US asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 These folks have lived all along in India' date=' can never visit their friends and family ever again! Let's see who will be crying out.[/quote'] They knew it all along, so I guess they don't mind the compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 They are not going to fu*king care about that. When the entire white collared Indian diaspora at US longs for green cards' date=' these people will happily trade of their connections with India for getting US asylum.[/quote'] Father of Devyani seems like a real bastard, with connections all over to boot. He is going to make the life of the remaining family/inlaws a living hell, I bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 They are not going to fu*king care about that. When the entire white collared Indian diaspora at US longs for green cards' date=' these people will happily trade of their connections with India for getting US asylum.[/quote'] Yes, but these white collared visit India with kids to see Taj Mahal. I am not sure the maid and her husband working minimum wage would love to live in apartment cages in USA, thinking about how life was better in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Father of Devyani seems like a real bastard' date=' with connections all over to boot. He is going to make the life of the remaining family/inlaws a living hell, I bet.[/quote'] Yes, he has the whole Dalit army and Mayawati on their tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Paw Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Whatever India does, they will just have to do what is needed on this hour without over-reaction. We have to be extremely careful as we are dealing with a Godzilla. It is good that until now US feels guilty. we should capitalize on that rather than blowing things out by pissing them. We all know what would be the reaction then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Whatever India does' date=' they will just have to do what is needed on this hour without over-reaction. We have to be extremely careful as we are dealing with a Godzilla. It is good that until now US feels guilty. we should capitalize on that rather than blowing things out by pissing them. We all know what would be the reaction then.[/quote'] What?War?Sanctions? Venezuela Cuba Ecuador can stand upto US but we must fear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 It is hard to understand whether is genuine disconnect between the State department on one hand and the Justice department/State Attorneys on the other (or) this is just the US being US again. Clearly, it is not worth the trouble of provoking a full scale diplomatic crisis over a non-violent crime (pay dispute). For eff’s sake, US personnel have actually killed people on foreign soil and still walked away without being prosecuted locally. Don’t know if this just another case of US being an arrogant a-hole (which they are, most of the times) or a case of the Justice department asserting its independence and superiority over the State department and saying ‘Don’t care how much inconvenience this causes you, we are going to put this person behind bars..' If the diplomat did happen to lie in the visa application and over-worked her house-maid (which in all probability she did, but isn’t it just what we do we regular banality in the Indian culture?), then what should have happened is for the state department to get in touch with the Indian foreign office and ask for her to be replaced or something, instead of slapping handcuffs on her and putting her in a cell with petty criminals. On one point, I do agree with the Indian govt. – This is not way you treat diplomatic personnel. You don’t see the Indian govt. removing barriers if a regular indian person living in the US gets arrested for DUI or something, do you? On the contrary, if ANY US citizen happens to be put in Jail for whatever reason, you can bet the US govt. will pull all the stops to get ‘em out of jail. A classic case of ‘One rule for me, another rule for the rest of you..’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 NSFW www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLSGLLa_TPI[/url ALCU video on prison strip search. Yeah, you can hate DK all you want but she was subjected to illegal custodial rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Dana Sussman, lawyer for Sangeeta Richard and staff attorney in the anti-trafficking programme at victim assistance agency Safe Horizon, told PTI. the case is representative of the experiences of a significant number of domestic workers of diplomats and consular officials from all over the world who come on special visas to the U.S. but face labour issues. “We would like to see this story told in a broader way that discusses the issues of domestic workers of diplomats and consular officials and the issues that they face and the vulnerability they have in labour abuses and underpayment of wages,” Ms. Sussman said, adding that her agency applauds the U.S. government’s action in the case. Will Indian diplomats send their domestic helps back to India or start paying them as per us minimum wage laws?It will be interesting to see where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Paw Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 What?War?Sanctions? Venezuela Cuba Ecuador can stand upto US but we must fear them. Pak want's war with India. But India doesn't. So are you saying we are afraid of Pak ? No, because Pak is a downtroden country which and there is not going to be be more of a damage to them even if they engage in a war with us. But though, we can blow out Pak, it would only come after a considerable damage for us which we can't afford when we are on a good trajectory of growth. Similarly we can't compare ourself with Venezuela's, Cuba's or Ecuador's of Anti american stand. We also should remember that Devyani bhabhi is not 100% clean on this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 It is hard to understand whether is genuine disconnect between the State department on one hand and the Justice department/State Attorneys on the other (or) this is just the US being US again. Clearly, it is not worth the trouble of provoking a full scale diplomatic crisis over a non-violent crime (pay dispute). For eff’s sake, US personnel have actually killed people on foreign soil and still walked away without being prosecuted locally. Don’t know if this just another case of US being an arrogant a-hole (which they are, most of the times) or a case of the Justice department asserting its independence and superiority over the State department and saying ‘Don’t care how much inconvenience this causes you, we are going to put this person behind bars..' If the diplomat did happen to lie in the visa application and over-worked her house-maid (which in all probability she did, but isn’t it just what we do we regular banality in the Indian culture?), then what should have happened is for the state department to get in touch with the Indian foreign office and ask for her to be replaced or something, instead of slapping handcuffs on her and putting her in a cell with petty criminals. On one point, I do agree with the Indian govt. – This is not way you treat diplomatic personnel. You don’t see the Indian govt. removing barriers if a regular indian person living in the US gets arrested for DUI or something, do you? On the contrary, if ANY US citizen happens to be put in Jail for whatever reason, you can bet the US govt. will pull all the stops to get ‘em out of jail. A classic case of ‘One rule for me, another rule for the rest of you..’ Today former Indian High Commisioners pointed out that according to Vienna Convention on consular relations article 47 private staff of consular officers from their host countries are exempt from work permit laws/pay laws etc etc of the host country. Preet Bharara's statement has added more fuel to the fire and the disdain he showed regarding India and how defiantly he talked about "Evacuation" of the Maid's family and showed little respect for a sovereign nation this matter isnt going to die soon. US thought that just like it treats other Asian/African countries it could do the same with India.Surely Preet Bharara thought so and the state department is the one which endorsed the arrest of Devyani so surely they also thought the same.This reaction has surely shaken them up and that is what was required.As i said in my earlier post here that Indians are very and may be overtly *****ly about NATIONAL PRIDE and they would stick to it regardless of what happens to its relations with US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South_Paw Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 The shyte has started. FFS why won't this politicians die? Uttar Pradesh's Minister for Urban Development and Minorities Welfare Mohammad Azam Khan today offered Devyani Khobragade to contest in next year's Lok Sabha polls from Rampur on Samajwadi Party's ticket. Source: http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/devyani-khobragade-only-victim-in-diplomat-arrest-case-mea_897876.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Giving asylum visas to foreigners is not evacuation. For ****s's sake, if india had a problem with the family going to US, why weren't the passports cancelled. US routinely gives asylum to thousands of people worldwide, including kashmiris and other affected parties in India. Nothing new there. It is clear the Devyani's family is very well connected in India, and this alone is sufficient evidence that Richard's family would have suffered persecution in India (revenge/blowback etc.). Don't even try to deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Pak want's war with India. But India doesn't. So are you saying we are afraid of Pak ? No, because Pak is a downtroden country which and there is not going to be be more of a damage to them even if they engage in a war with us. But though, we can blow out Pak, it would only come after a considerable damage for us which we can't afford when we are on a good trajectory of growth. Similarly we can't compare ourself with Venezuela's, Cuba's or Ecuador's of Anti american stand. We also should remember that Devyani bhabhi is not 100% clean on this case. Clean or not.It has been pointed out by experts in India that Article 47 of Vienna convention on consular relations exempt personal staff of consular officials from work permits/labour laws etc.So it doesnt matter what she paid. Please tell what will US do that they havent tried to do with us already?Sanctions?They have tried doing so werent successful.Tried to intimidate us in 1971 by sending US 7th fleet in the Indian Ocean didnt stop us from breaking up Pakistan.You must realise that India is not a small country nor does it has a questionable reputation like Pakistan nor is India dependent on US for its foreign policy.Some of US's closest allies have great relations with India and surely any sanctions or actions againist India by US and NATO will effect those.Will those countries allow that just so that a few US officials can pat their ego? India is the only country US can probably depend to counter China in Asia,which is why Obama's policy in Asia was described "India Pivot policy". The issue is simple Justice and State dept didnt expect this kind of reaction from India esp the MMS govt.After Preet Bharara failed to get the sanction againist Russians he went after Devyani thinking she was easy meat to be slaughtered at the altar of his political ambitions.Those ambitions may be toast now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Pak want's war with India. But India doesn't. So are you saying we are afraid of Pak ? No, because Pak is a downtroden country which and there is not going to be be more of a damage to them even if they engage in a war with us. But though, we can blow out Pak, it would only come after a considerable damage for us which we can't afford when we are on a good trajectory of growth. Similarly we can't compare ourself with Venezuela's, Cuba's or Ecuador's of Anti american stand. We also should remember that Devyani bhabhi is not 100% clean on this case. So, what should India be fearing in this case? It is the Indian Govt that is not paying domestic help as per US standards. But she is on a visa being paid per-diem charges with 30000 pm iban Indian rupees in India. That is the case with most domestic workers in consulates. If Pete Bhakara or some stupid NGO had a problem they could have gotten the foreign offices clash it out, instead of parading a high level officer (gazatted officer in Indian lingo) naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Giving asylum visas to foreigners is not evacuation. For ****s's sake, if india had a problem with the family going to US, why weren't the passports cancelled. US routinely gives asylum to thousands of people worldwide, including kashmiris and other affected parties in India. Nothing new there. It is clear the Devyani's family is very well connected in India, and this alone is sufficient evidence that Richard's family would have suffered persecution in India (revenge/blowback etc.). Don't even try to deny it. Not US's place to decide what happens in India.India is not US's colony.After Headley incident India put stringent conditions on US visas for asians.Now after this India may/will/should put restriction on visas issues to Indians by US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Just read on facebook "Why was Devyani made to striptease ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Not US's place to decide what happens in India.India is not US's colony.After Headley incident India put stringent conditions on US visas for asians.Now after this India may/will/should put restriction on visas issues to Indians by US. Tau, do you know how asylum visas work ? :hysterical::hysterical: If the family has a passport, and visa to US, they can leave anytime. Is it so hard to understand ? :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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