div Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Yahan hindu being forced to convert Hans raj Hans reported falsely for converting Viru's good starts are not being converted... u forgot MS DHONI :hysterical: Dilawar Khan is the Muslim name selected by Dhoni as reported by media. http://www.newspakistan.pk/2012/03/11/dhoni-accepted-islam/
Tiger80 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Look at Turkey.. btw we Indians are no less extremists than Pakistanis... hindus, sikhs and muslims fighting among ourselves just in the name of religion Reported What a joke . Zakir naik openly convert Hindu's , Sikhs in India and show their video to entire world while freely living in India Show me one Zakir Naik type of Hindu , Sikh or even Christian who live in Pakistan or even a muslim majority country who openly convert muslims to his religion and freely lives their.
rahulrulezz Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 What a joke . Zakir naik openly convert Hindu's ' date=' Sikhs in India and show their video to entire world while freely living in India Show me one Zakir Naik type of Hindu , Sikh or even Christian who live in Pakistan or even a muslim majority country who openly convert muslims to his religion and freely lives their.[/quote'] So whats wrong with it... He doesn't force anyone to convert to Islam... People convert to any religion by choice... India is a secular country... That is THE IDEA of a secular state.. You can practice, preach and respect every religion.... people convert to Hinduism as well in India, why don't you complain about that... also about your another point, in any SECULAR muslim country, anybody can openly convert to any religion.. they have no law against anyone conversion. I have heard people converting to Christianity in Egypt and Turkey...
Desi Cartman Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 u forgot MS DHONI :hysterical: http://www.newspakistan.pk/2012/03/11/dhoni-accepted-islam/ OMG! comments are epic It is the kindness of Allah Pak that he gave a chance for Dilawar khan(dhoni) to embrace Islam and enter in the shadow of Rehmat. I congratulate to Dilawar because he observed and analyse what is true and Who is greatest power of the Universe and which one is the best religion of the universe. Dilawar tumhe mubarik ho. Regards; Engr. Ali :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Is his name Engineer Ali :omg:
Midfielder Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Pakistan is so intolerant that they force all non muslims to convert. Look at the pressure Mo Yo was under. There are some sick people in that society.
Midfielder Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Rahulruleez is wrong. You have no idea how intolerant these people are. This Naik dude is the biggest moron.
randomGuy Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 So whats wrong with it... He doesn't force anyone to convert to Islam... People convert to any religion by choice... India is a secular country... That is THE IDEA of a secular state.. You can practice, preach and respect every religion.... people convert to Hinduism as well in India, why don't you complain about that... also about your another point, in any SECULAR muslim country, anybody can openly convert to any religion.. they have no law against anyone conversion. I have heard people converting to Christianity in Egypt and Turkey... shouldn't distribute video of conversions, that is wrong coz religion is a private matter.
rageaddict Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Before you unload another shovelful of your word salad, I'd say you perhaps need unlearn and relearn what facts and beliefs are. You see, it's belief that's certain and fact, that is always uncertain. In philosophy 101, it's called the eternal provisonality of facts. So yeah, if Islamists believe theirs is the only way and the right way, then I won't blame them from enforcing shariah etc. The insincere 'secularists' one the other hand... But they are hypocrites of the highest order. demanding this thing and that everywhere they go whilst fighting tooth and nail to deny the very same rights to others where they're strong.
Tailender Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Pakistan - a secular society' date=' :haha: good joke[/quote'] Why can't it be done? It's easy to laugh, but there are people in Pakistan putting their lives on the line to make Pakistan an egalitarian, secular society.
Tailender Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 u forgot MS DHONI :hysterical: http://www.newspakistan.pk/2012/03/11/dhoni-accepted-islam/ :hysterical: this one takes the cake "dilawar khan" He converted from sikh to phatan ... I can't :hysterical:
Tailender Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Pakistan is so intolerant that they force all non muslims to convert. Look at the pressure Mo Yo was under. There are some sick people in that society. I don't agree with this. If faith was a prerequisite for playing cricket that put people under pressure to convert, why didn't Kaneria? It is the powerless people who are the most susceptible to forced conversions.
randomGuy Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 I don't agree with this. If faith was a prerequisite for playing cricket that put people under pressure to convert' date=' why didn't Kaneria? It is the powerless people who are the most susceptible to forced conversions.[/quote'] We get the impression tht common paki citizen is a religious bigot. When you guys allow people like Zaid Hamid on national tv, phrases like 'hindu baniya' used on popular shows, 'musalman ka bada dil', 'hinduon ki zehniyat' used by some public figures in Pak. IMO, the average paki citizen and paki society has a lot of ground to cover to become secular.
Tailender Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 We get the impression tht common paki citizen is a religious bigot. When you guys allow people like Zaid Hamid on national tv, phrases like 'hindu baniya' used on popular shows, 'musalman ka bada dil', 'hinduon ki zehniyat' used by some public figures in Pak. IMO, the average paki citizen and paki society has a lot of ground to cover to become secular. Very well said. But in recent times there has been a bit of a push back led by Dr. Pervaiz Hoodbhoy and Hassan Nisar. If you have the time: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agN0-1S5T8g]On The Front. Hassan Nisar. Feb 12th 2014 - YouTube[/ame] Hassan Nisar: Last great invention of subcontinent was the charpai
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 In before the mods will lock this thread ... Half knowledge is dangerous; this apply to both muslims and non-muslims brothers ... I cant say behalf of other religions (Hinduism,Christianity,Jewish etc, although i read little bit all of them) I just want to say that,Some people said Muslims are behaving like that becoz of Islamic teachings ... i want to dis-agree with that... Islam is the most misunderstood religion .... you cant understand Islam just becoz of some so called muslims using Islam for his/her own benefit .... Islamic teachings are clear for the conversion issue ... its HARAM to convert someone by force .... muslims can dialogue with non-muslims , so the non-muslims can understand what Islam is .... after understanding it if he/she dont want to accept it ... its fine .... but atleast thre doubts will be clear about Islam .... there is a clear cut directions for the muslims in Islam in this matter that if someone dont want to accept Islam after understanding it ... thn you (muslims) are the no one to force it ... becoz now its the matter between God and him/her (non-muslim) . and we muslims are no one to interfere in this matter ....becoz its the matter of heart and beliefs .... Few people here talking about Islam becoz they think that they have read History of Islam .... Guess what ? .... there are thousands of websites or books on Internet which are anti-Islamic ... they quoted everything without context .... even if you found a good Islamic website or book still you need proper context to understand it .... what is Shariah ? no one knows here about Shariah .... but talking about it as they have Phd on Shariah Laws .... In this Era no single muslim country have Shariah .... not even Saudi arab or Iran ... there are certain rules to implement shariah .... for example ... if today we try to Implement shariah on Saudi arab thn you will not find Kingdom in Saudi arabia ... becoz thre is no Kingdom concept in the Shariah .... Also In Shariah there is no concept of destroying other religions worship places (Temples/Churches/or Statues etc ).... Someone quoted here about the tax Issue for only non-muslims in Shariah ... I want to explain this in simple way .... In Islam we muslims (if we are wealthy enough to pay) pay 2.5% of the Zakat(annual Charity) on our total wealth/assets on every calender year for the poor people (muslims or non-muslims) .... no matter we live in Islamic country or non-Islamic country ... we have to pay ... its must ... Source wiki: In the United Kingdom, Muslims today give more to charity than people of other religions, according to a British poll.[3] There, Muslims, on average, gave $567, compared to $412 for Jews, $308 for Protestants, $272 for Catholics and $177 for atheists. Today, conservative estimates of annual zakat is estimated to be 15 times global humanitarian aid contributions In Shariah government .... muslims will pay 2.5% charity from thre total wealth becoz its must ... so In Shariah government non-muslims (who are wealthy people, not poor) have to pay 2.5% of taxes annually or (divide this 2.5% into (12) monthly ) ... becoz they are non-muslims and they dont know about Zakat(Islamic Charity) system ... In pakistan, we muslims have to pay both annual taxes and Zakat separately ... but for Pakistani minorities they have to pay annual taxes only ... and pakistan is not Shariah state ... and about Pakistani minorities the percentage didnt changed much ... you can see the posts from bro Outsider & randomguy .... thre are some Individual cases like forcing conversion but not in general .... In this civilized world no one can force non-muslims to convert .... forget pakistan for a minute ... what about europe or british ? In 100% converts population of british, thre are 62% of converts are british women .... whos forcing the british (avg. age of 27) women to accept Islam in last decade or so ? Sword or Bomb ?? or every muslim man is so handsome that they cant resist to marry them ... ? :cantstop: All i want to say is that if someone really wants to Understand Islam becoz for the sake of the knowledge and not only for converting thn he/she should read everything with context (websites or books) ..... In this Era if someone wants to Understand the Islam for the sake of knowledge thn dont look at the general muslim ... Becoz most of them are not representing Islam in true Spirit ...
Midfielder Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 I don't agree with this. If faith was a prerequisite for playing cricket that put people under pressure to convert' date=' why didn't Kaneria? It is the powerless people who are the most susceptible to forced conversions.[/quote'] Tailender please stop supporting the crap. They put some token people upfront for cricket to show their good side but make life miserable for other minorities. Heck you guys cant even seem to get along with shias. Talibanisation of your Pakistan is like cancer.
randomGuy Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Very well said. But in recent times there has been a bit of a push back led by Dr. Pervaiz Hoodbhoy and Hassan Nisar. I have listened to these guys, they are good. my fav guy from pak is najam sethi btw Hassan Nisar: Last great invention of subcontinent was the charpai its good to be self critical and indians havent been the best but arent the worst in innovation and R&D.Some contributions from India worth knowing: India invented the Number System, the place value system, the decimal system . Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. The value of 'pi', explanation of Pythagorean Theorem long before the European mathematicians. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. Ayurveda Sanskrit(the mother of all european languages), The pioneer of wireless communication was Prof. Jagdeesh Bose as per the IEEE. The game of chess. The earliest reservoir and dam. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like cesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery and brain surgery. Usage of anesthesia was well known in ancient India. Hotmail by sabeer bhatia contribution in intel processors by vinod dham Indigenous ICBMs, heavy satellites launches, Moon n Mars missions. You will find Indians in large numbers, in important positions in many well-known companies .
Midfielder Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 In before the mods will lock this thread ... Half knowledge is dangerous; this apply to both muslims and non-muslims brothers ... I cant say behalf of other religions (Hinduism,Christianity,Jewish etc, although i read little bit all of them) I just want to say that,Some people said Muslims are behaving like that becoz of Islamic teachings ... i want to dis-agree with that... Islam is the most misunderstood religion .... you cant understand Islam just becoz of some so called muslims using Islam for his/her own benefit .... Islamic teachings are clear for the conversion issue ... its HARAM to convert someone by force .... muslims can dialogue with non-muslims , so the non-muslims can understand what Islam is .... after understanding it if he/she dont want to accept it ... its fine .... but atleast thre doubts will be clear about Islam .... there is a clear cut directions for the muslims in Islam in this matter that if someone dont want to accept Islam after understanding it ... thn you (muslims) are the no one to force it ... becoz now its the matter between of God and him/her (non-muslim) . and we muslims are no one to interfere in this matter .... Few people here talking about Islam becoz they think that they have read History of Islam .... Guess what ? .... there are thousands of websites or books on Internet which are anti-Islamic ... they quoted everything without context .... even if you found a good Islamic website or book still you need proper context to understand it .... what is Shariah ? no one knows here about Shariah .... but talking about it as they have Phd on Shariah Laws .... In this Era no single muslim country have Shariah .... not even Saudi arab or Iran ... there are certain rules to implement shariah .... for example ... if today we try to Implement shariah on Saudi arab thn you will not find Kingdom in Saudi arabia ... becoz thre is no Kingdom concept in the Shariah .... Also In Shariah there is no concept of destroying other religions worship places (Temples/Churches/or Statues etc ).... Someone quoted here about the tax Issue for only non-muslims in Shariah ... I want to explain this in simple way .... In Islam we muslims (if we are wealthy enough to pay) pay 2.5% of the Zakat(annual Charity) on our total wealth/assets on every calender year for the poor people (muslims or non-muslims) .... no matter we live in Islamic country or non-Islamic country ... we have to pay ... its must ... Source wiki: In Shariah government .... muslims will pay 2.5% charity from thre total wealth becoz its must ... so In Shariah government non-muslims (who are wealthy people, not poor) have to pay 2.5% of taxes annually or (divide this 2.5% into (12) monthly ) ... becoz they are non-muslims and they dont know about Zakat(Islamic Charity) system ... In pakistan, we muslims have to pay both annual taxes and Zakat separately ... but for Pakistani minorities they have to pay annual taxes only ... and pakistan is not Shariah state ... and about Pakistani minorities the percentage didnt changed much ... you can see the post from bro Outy .... thre are some Individual cases like forcing conversion but not in general .... In this civilized world no one can force non-muslims to convert .... forget pakistan for a minute ... what about europe or british ? In 100% converts population of british, thre are 62% of converts are british women .... whos forcing the british (avg. age of 27) women to accept Islam in last decade or so ? Sword or Bomb ?? or every muslim man is so handsome that they cant resist to marry him ... ? :cantstop: All i want to say is that if someone really wants to Understand Islam becoz for the sake of the knowledge and not only for converting thn he/she should read everything with context (websites or books) ..... In this Era if someone wants to Understand the Islam for the sake of knowledge thn dont look at the general muslim ... Becoz most of them are not representing Islam in true Spirit ... I hope this thread does not get banned. Let us discuss. You guys are not misunderstood you are plain intolerant. I dont care what you say it is the action that count not your word. The percentage of minorities in your country is around 1% and that is intolerance. Islam is the most misunderstood religion .... you cant understand Islam just becoz of some so called muslims using Islam for his/her own benefit .... It how you act that is important. Look at you destroying Bamian Budhas in Afghanistan and not a word said by most people. fact - Intolerance. Islamic teachings are clear for the conversion issue ... its HARAM to convert someone by force .... muslims can dialogue with non-muslims , so the non-muslims can understand what Islam is .... after understanding it if he/she dont want to accept it ... its fine .... but atleast thre doubts will be clear about Islam .... Look at what Aurangzeb did in India . If he did not kill or convert thousands of Hindus everyday SOB would not sleep. He would literally have a ton of juneau of pundits . You are either a liar or a brainwashed person who does not like to deal with facts. Few people here talking about Islam becoz they think that they have read History of Islam .... Guess what ? .... there are thousands of websites or books on Internet which are anti-Islamic ... they quoted everything without context .... even if you found a good Islamic website or book still you need proper context to understand it .... There is nothing misunderstood it is a fact. Fact- you are allowed four wives. Fact - women are not equal to man. Fact - try to spin it. I want to explain this in simple way .... In Islam we muslims (if we are wealthy enough to pay) pay 2.5% of the Zakat(annual Charity) on our total wealth/assets on every calender year for the poor people (muslims or non-muslims) .... no matter we live in Islamic country or non-Islamic country ... we have to pay ... its must ... very conveniently missing the details. fact - my forefathers paid jazia. fact - that was a tax on non muslims fact - you did not bring it up fact - you are spinning things please feel free to discuss Islam anytime . let us be polite and civil and maybe we can show you about your actions and not your words. Fact - i see nothing but intolerance.
Midfielder Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Fact - what right did muslims rulers had to invade india. fact - who gave them the right to rule india. fact - they were all terrorist. fact - i am glad they are gone.
KeyboardWarrior Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 I hope this thread does not get banned. Let us discuss. You guys are not misunderstood you are plain intolerant. I dont care what you say it is the action that count not your word. The percentage of minorities in your country is around 1% and that is intolerance. about Pakistani minorities the percentage didnt changed much ... you can see the posts from bro Outsider and random guy .... thre are some Individual cases like forcing conversion but not in general .... In this civilized world no one can force non-muslims to convert .... forget pakistan for a minute ... what about europe or british ? In 100% converts population of british, thre are 62% of converts are british women .... whos forcing the british (avg. age of 27) women to accept Islam in last decade or so ? Sword or Bomb ?? or every muslim man is so handsome that they cant resist to marry him ... ? It how you act that is important. Look at you destroying Bamian Budhas in Afghanistan and not a word said by most people. fact - Intolerance. Look at what Aurangzeb did in India . If he did not kill or convert thousands of Hindus everyday SOB would not sleep. He would literally have a ton of juneau of pundits . Aurangzeb was a king ? right ? thre is no kingdom concept in Islam ... and what taliban did ... its nothing to do with Islam .... All i want to say is that if someone really wants to Understand Islam becoz for the sake of the knowledge and not only for converting thn he/she should read everything with context (websites or books) ..... In this Era if someone wants to Understand the Islam for the sake of knowledge thn dont look at the general muslim ... Becoz most of them are not representing Islam in true Spirit ... There is nothing misunderstood it is a fact. Fact- you are allowed four wives. Fact - women are not equal to man. Fact - try to spin it. Bro, Do you know about the Women Rights In Islam ... or you just know the "Fact" becoz of "one" Issue about 4 wives ? I can explain it with Islamic concept .... but its not the topic here .... do you know how many muslim men in pakistan have more thn 1 wife ? I personally never see one single man in pakistan who have more thn 1 wife ..... tell me about Inheritance for women in Islam ? Can you ? no you cant... becoz you dont know much about Islam ... take one point at a time .... dont mix up everything ... very conveniently missing the details. fact - my forefathers paid jazia. fact - that was a tax on non muslims fact - you did not bring it up fact - you are spinning things I want to explain this in simple way .... In Islam we muslims (if we are wealthy enough to pay) pay 2.5% of the Zakat(annual Charity) on our total wealth/assets on every calender year for the poor people (muslims or non-muslims) .... no matter we live in Islamic country or non-Islamic country ... we have to pay ... its must ... In Shariah government .... muslims will pay 2.5% charity from thre total wealth becoz its must ... so In Shariah government non-muslims (who are wealthy people, not poor) have to pay 2.5% of taxes annually or (divide this 2.5% into (12) monthly ) ... becoz they are non-muslims and they dont know about Zakat(Islamic Charity) system ... ( I am talking about the Shariah state ... not about the kingdom ) about forefathers (non muslims) , they paid Jazia becoz it was muslim state on that time ... becoz muslim had to pay Zakat too .... (it wasnt even Shariah state .... it was kingdom but they implemented this rule in subcont. ) In pakistan, we muslims have to pay both annual taxes and Zakat separately ... but for Pakistani minorities they have to pay annual taxes only ... and pakistan is not Shariah state ... please feel free to discuss Islam anytime . let us be polite and civil and maybe we can show you about your actions and not your words. You are either a liar or a brainwashed person who does not like to deal with facts Bro, did you try to even read my previous post properly .... When someone dont have the knowledge without context about religious scriptures thn this happend ... when did i said these wasnt facts of the history (aurangzeb or afganistan etc) ... you ready to post these "facts" of history but you are not ready to read "Facts" of Islam .... If you want to know the "Facts" of Islam thn you have to read about it with context .... Hitler was the "fact" of History .... so now we all should need to blame it on Christianity becoz of the Hitler ??? why would I lie to you ? I am telling you the Islamic Teaching with Context ... do you know whats the Penalty of telling lies about Islamic Teaching in Shariah for a muslim ??? no you dont know .... again i tell you read the Islamic Teachings (for the sake of knowledge, not for converting or anything) with context first thn we can talk about it .... becoz Half knowledge is dangerous; this apply to both muslims and non-muslims brothers ...
Midfielder Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Let me discuss it one at a time. about Pakistani minorities the percentage didnt changed much ... you can see the posts from bro Outsider and random guy .... thre are some Individual cases like forcing conversion but not in general .... In this civilized world no one can force non-muslims to convert .... forget pakistan for a minute ... what about europe or british ? In 100% converts population of british, thre are 62% of converts are british women .... whos forcing the british (avg. age of 27) women to accept Islam in last decade or so ? Sword or Bomb ?? or every muslim man is so handsome that they cant resist to marry him ... ? Fact - muslim and sikh places of worship are being taken over. fact - we cannot cremate our dead one. fact - conversion is being forced fact - no missionaries allowed in saudi arabia fact - you use the secular laws of other countries to exploit. fact - conversion to other religions in your country is a death sentence. Fact - this is called intolerance.
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