Sachin=GOD Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Russian parliament approves troop deployment in Ukraine Russia's upper house of parliament has approved President Putin's request for Russian forces to be used in Ukraine. He had asked that Russian forces be used "until the normalisation of the political situation in the country". Russia's Black Sea Fleet is based in the Ukrainian region of Crimea, where many ethnic Russians live. Kiev has reacted angrily to days of military movements in Crimea, accusing Moscow of trying to provoke the new government into an armed conflict. Interim President Olexander Turchynov has called an emergency session of his security chiefs. Russia's Vladimir Putin submitted the request for troops "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine and the threat to the lives of Russian citizens", the Kremlin said. The BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow says it is potentially significant that the request was for deployment in Ukraine as a whole, and not specifically for flash-points such as Crimea. The upper house went into a special session almost immediately after Mr Putin made the request, in what seems to have been a carefully co-ordinated series of events during the day Earlier, the lower house of parliament had urged the president to take whatever measures were necessary to "stabilise" the situation in Crimea. During the upper house debate, one legislator accused US President Barack Obama of crossing "a red line" with his comments that there would be costs if Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine. The upper house has recommended that the Russian ambassador the US should be recalled, although the decision lies with Mr Putin. 'Provocation' The request follow days of military activity in Crimea during which unidentified armed men moved in to take over the regional parliament, state television and telecommunications hubs. Soldiers from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, which is based in Crimea, are reported to be guarding some administrative buildings and military bases. Amid the closure of airspace over Crimea's regional capital Simferopol on Friday evening, there were unconfirmed reports that Russian planes were flying in thousands of troops. Ukrainian Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh said on Saturday there are now an extra 6,000 Russian troops in Crimea, alongside an additional 30 armoured vehicles. Under the agreement governing the presence of the fleet in Crimea, the Russians must co-ordinate all troop movements outside the fleet's base with the Ukrainian authorities beforehand. The newly-elected pro-Moscow leader of Crimea, Sergiy Aksyonov, earlier said he had appealed to Mr Putin for help to ensure peace on the peninsula - a request which the Kremlin said it would "not leave unnoticed". Events in Crimea have angered the new interim government in Kiev - which does not recognise the province's new leadership - and has alarmed Western leaders. President Turchynov accused Russia of trying to provoke Kiev into "armed conflict", but said they would not react. US President Barack Obama said on Friday that "any violation of Ukraine sovereignty... would be deeply destabilising". He warned of the "costs" of any Russian intervention in the Ukraine and commended the interim government in Kiev for its "restraint". Meanwhile, big pro-Russian rallies are being held in several Ukrainian cities outside Crimea. In Donetsk, Mr Yanukovych's traditional stronghold, demonstrators from a crowd of some 7,000 tried unsuccessfully to occupy the regional administration building, raising a Russian tricolour on a nearby flag-post In Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-biggest city, scuffles broke out when protesters with Russian flags tried to occupy the regional administration building In Mariupol, in the south-east, hundreds of protesters carrying Russian flags gathered outside the city council in eastern and southern Ukraine. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035 Hindustan Times @htTweets #UPDATE | No decision yet from #Putin on sending troops to #Ukraine: Kremlin: AFP
hhunaeh Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Why have there been uprisings, instability, chaos in so many countries after 2008? Am i mistaken in my observations? Were things always like this even in the 90s and early 2000s? Every few months one country or another is falling apart.
Silva Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 "After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next. " -Sarah Palin, :clap:
Tiger80 Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 does ukraine have natural resources like oil? Ukraine is rich in natural resources, they do have oil but not much. Hitler in second world war preferred to capture Ukraine rather than sending its full strength to capture Moscow
Brainfade Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I hope the American govt doesn't get into do-gooder mode and poke its nose into this conflict.
Brainfade Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Apparently, some idiot called this in 2008 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/28/palin-on-ukraine-i-told-you-so/ (CNN) - Sarah Palin may be having a bragging rights moment. In 2008, when she was the GOP vice presidential nominee, Palin questioned in a speech whether then-Sen. Barack Obama would have the foreign policy credentials to handle a scenario in which Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine. "After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence – the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next," she said in Reno, Nevada on October 21, 2008. The former Alaska governor was happy to highlight her prediction on Friday and scold those who criticized her 2008 comments. "Yes, I could see this one from Alaska," she said on Facebook. That remark was a reference to a 2008 interview in which Palin argued that Alaska's proximity to Russia helped boost her foreign policy experience. Saturday Night Live parodied her remarks in a now-famous sketch with Tina Fey, who played Palin on the show, saying "I can see Russia from my house." On Facebook, Palin continued to explain how she anticipated a growing crisis between Russia and Ukraine, where there has now been an uncontested arrival of Russian military forces by air at a Russian base in Ukraine's Crimea region. They are believed to be Russian land forces, according to a U.S. assessment. Political tension grows in Ukraine's Crimea region "I'm usually not one to Told-Ya-So, but I did, despite my accurate prediction being derided as 'an extremely far-fetched scenario' by the 'high-brow' Foreign Policy magazine." In October 2008, Foreign Policy labeled Palin's prediction as "strange."
DomainK Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I hope the American govt doesn't get into do-gooder mode and poke its nose into this conflict. They won't. It's one thing going after weak countries and another to enter into a war with Russia.
Desi Cartman Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 No country affords to take on china, russia or USA. These countries are on an even level and do whatever they want as long as they dont upset the other. The reality is that Putin wont go for Ukraine but would want Crimea. Russia had legal milatary presence in Crimea and has sent the troops to protect them, thats their stand. Who the hell raised their voice when Iraq was invaded ?
hhunaeh Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 From what i have read in the last few days, it was the USA and the EU which encouraged opposition to the deposed, russian backed, ukraine president yanukovych. The western part of the country is supposedly with the EU and the eastern part with russia. The eastern part is russian speaking too. So there is already western meddling going on and there is no point of asking them not too. But since ukraine is on russia's border russia has the military advantage.
hhunaeh Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 According to this article in der spiegel , http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-geopolitical-implications-of-conflict-in-ukraine-a-954724.html US Senator John McCain, 77, for example, a veteran of Vietnam who was shot down in 1967 and spent over two years as a prisoner of war. In December, he stood on the Independence Square stage in Kiev and called out: "People of Ukraine, this is your moment! The free world is with you! America is with you!" At an event in Kiev in October, US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt described a "myriad of opportunities" if Ukraine aligned itself with the United States and said "you have no better friend in this endeavor than the United States. … We stand ready to support you, the Ukrainian people, as you find your place in Europe."
ravishingravi Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 From what i have read in the last few days' date=' it was the USA and the EU which encouraged opposition to the deposed, russian backed, ukraine president yanukovych. The western part of the country is supposedly with the EU and the eastern part with russia. The eastern part is russian speaking too. So there is already western meddling going on and there is no point of asking them not too. But since ukraine is on russia's border russia has the military advantage.[/quote'] Have you been reading or watching Russia today ?
hhunaeh Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Have you been reading or watching Russia today ? No why, am i repeating what they said on RT? I read articles from various countries but not from russia.
Brainfade Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 No country affords to take on china, russia or USA. These countries are on an even level and do whatever they want as long as they dont upset the other. The reality is that Putin wont go for Ukraine but would want Crimea. Russia had legal milatary presence in Crimea and has sent the troops to protect them, thats their stand. Who the hell raised their voice when Iraq was invaded ? I did :-). But, I have no clout. The difference between then and now is simply that Iraq was sold to the public as a harborer of WMDs and a direct threat to the US, and people lapped it up. Plus, the US is war-weary now, and people will (should) be skeptical of interference of any kind, let alone one that is not a direct threat.
Roshanrocks Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I heard Russia has declared WAR Vs Ukraine.... This true? ANd US for some reason wants to enter the war Vs Russia..
Sachin=GOD Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 I heard Russia has declared WAR Vs Ukraine.... This true? ANd US for some reason wants to enter the war Vs Russia.. Till now Russia hasn't declared war (though the Russioan Parliament has given Putin the authority to use force in Ukraine) but Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said that Russia's actions were not just a threat but a declaration of war on Ukraine. As for Amreeka's reaction - till now they are only talking of economic sanctions and cancelling the June 2014 meeting of G8 in Russia - not exactly an intent of war IMO. Read this for a detailed report - http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/ukraine-politics/ Update: Hindustan Times @htTweets #Alert | Russian fighter jets violated #Ukraine's air space during the night over the Black Sea, says Ukrainian defense ministry: Reuters
Iconoclast Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Putin knows Obama is a pu$$y because he's proved it over and over again when dealing with Russia or Russian backed rulers - Obama failed to act when Iranians attempted a revolt against their Russian backed leaders Obama did nothing again during the Georgian-Russian war Obama stood bye and watched the Russian backed Syrian regime massacre tens of thousands Obama impotent again as Putin seizes Crimea and threatens the rest of Ukraine Buttaahh ... the one thing Obama can do take out a bunch of villagers, their goat and a couple of chickens with drone missiles and then give a nice speech about it :two_thumbs_up:
velu Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 america and nato are testing russia's patience.. enticing ukraine to come out of russians fold wont go well with russians
Brainfade Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Putin knows Obama is a pu$ because he's proved it over and over again when dealing with Russia or Russian backed rulers - Obama failed to act when Iranians attempted a revolt against their Russian backed leaders Obama did nothing again during the Georgian-Russian war Obama stood bye and watched the Russian backed Syrian regime massacre tens of thousands Obama impotent again as Putin seizes Crimea and threatens the rest of Ukraine Buttaahh ... the one thing Obama can do take out a bunch of villagers, their goat and a couple of chickens with drone missiles and then give a nice speech about it :two_thumbs_up: I am as big a critic of Pres. Obama as there is, but I completely disagree. The US has its own domestic issues that are hurting the economy, and the last thing we need is to enter another conflict. We should stay the hell out and let people manage their own issues.
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