IndianRenegade Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 A theory (LINK to the story on WIRED) suggests that the pilot could be trying to land at Palau Langkawi (in Thailand - Malacca Straight Area), a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The plane was probably on fire (something reported by the oil rig worker). The pilot was trying to steer the plane to safety. The 45K feet maneuver could have been to deprive the plane of O2 to alleviate fire (is it even possible to do that?) for details refer to the link to WIRED. *** A CNN theory suggests that (link) that plane could have crashed in Malacca-Andaman Area as originally thought (I know it is CNN) In this case, I guess, the dilemma is whether to go by the pings or the last location on radar. Did the plane continue to ping despite the crash (or how reliable is the ping data, was a mistake made somewhere may be in calculations) *** It appears as if two theories could emerge - pilots responded to malfunction vs. hijacking/deliberate plot. And if the plane is not found it is anybody's guess. Even if the plane is found, what insights could it give is still a question, esp. considering that the blackbox records only the last 2 hours PS In all these uncertainty, a lot of questions and not to forget inconsistent info realized by Malaysia, I would not blame those who question if the plane even flew in the first place .... The one problem with the theories regarding technical issues, fire and the pilot trying to land the plane safely is, what happened so suddenly that the pilots couldn't send out a distress signal, shutdown the ACARS, Transponders... The pilots don't decide to land the plane in some air strip randomly, they usually try to get in touch with ATC , get the info regarding nearest air strips where they can land safely, with emergency equipment available to handle issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Appears as if you didn't check the WIRED link out - it actually has a theory of how things could have happened including the malfunction of ACARS &Transponder, and why it would be hard to send distress signal .... However, it can be debated how accurate these theories are IF the communications systems are functioning properly, the pilots would contact ATC :winky: okay went through the link. The transponder goes off at 1:21 a.m, @ 2:15 a.m the plane is last seen on military radar headed towards Andaman well beyond Langkawi. so he is not headed for the nearest airport, which he must have been doing in case of fire. The flight path confuses me... Also the final ping @ 8:11 am is the ultimate teaser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Maldives islanders seeing a plane with descriptions similar to mh 370 seems to be credible piece of information as multiple people have corroborated that. But question remains could plane still be flying around 9 am Malaysian time when this sighting has been reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 okay went through the link. The transponder goes off at 1:21 a.m, @ 2:15 a.m the plane is last seen on military radar headed towards Andaman well beyond Langkawi. so he is not headed for the nearest airport, which he must have been doing in case of fire. The flight path confuses me... Also the final ping @ 8:11 am is the ultimate teaser... The article explains it as following: What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless. The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean. Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion. Yes, overall "the plane malfunctioned" theories do appear to be relatively weak - in this case the flight path. The plane would probably have gone straight on somewhere over/near Indonesia. However, in the absence of concrete clues most theories are going to have some holes at this point. In both cases, there are a lot of questions that need answers. We don't know what might come up next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Maldives islanders seeing a plane with descriptions similar to mh 370 seems to be credible piece of information as multiple people have corroborated that. But question remains could plane still be flying around 9 am Malaysian time when this sighting has been reported. After 8 11 am the plane probably had fuel to fly for little longer, but yeah cannot be confirmed if it had enough depending up on where the plane was at the last ping (unless there were some miscalculations). Hopefully, we will hear some concrete info soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 http://wonderfulengineering.com/thinking-how-can-a-modern-commercial-airliner-simply-disappear-in-2014-here-is-the-answer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 http://wonderfulengineering.com/thinking-how-can-a-modern-commercial-airliner-simply-disappear-in-2014-here-is-the-answer/ did you read the comments section? :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 tonmod map 654342 wht plane is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 An interesting story about drug traffickers using Maldives as a stopover to fly from Africa to Australia: LINK1 LINK2 By TODAGIA KELOLA PNG Post-Courier, Monday 21st January 2013 THE two Saken brothers, Vu Anh Quan and Charles Henry who are connected with the suspicious plane are known for their involvement in drugs and arms trade, according to Interpol and transnational crime officials in the Pacific. What is more suspicious is that they did stop over at the tax haven country of Maldives for re-fuelling purpose as indicated by the pilot. However, it is highly probable that any illegal proceeds may have been banked on this island to avoid being detected once they entered PNG, or to stopover in Singapore or Australia. Don't know what to make of the story, but it could be possible for planes to just fly in to places like Maldives :dontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Well the authorities are more or less sure that the alternate path taken was not on manual, it was programmed into the auto-pilot itself. They are not sure whether the programming was done before or during the flight. They are also sure that the diversion happened at least 12 minutes before the voice from the cockpit signed of with, "all right, good night". This pretty much suggests that the plane was not incapacitated in any capacity and it was intentionally diverted. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 A law enforcement official told CNN Tuesday that the aircraft's first turn to the west was almost certainly programmed by somebody in the cockpit. The official, who has been briefed on the investigation, said the programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's co-pilot signed off to air traffic controllers, telling them, "All right, good night." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Here are other highlights from the news conference: -- Some data had been deleted from the flight simulator found at the home of the pilot, Hishammuddin said. Forensic work is under way to try to recover it, he said. -- Malaysian authorities have received background information from all countries with passengers on board the plane except Russia and Ukraine. So far, no information of significance has been found about any passengers, Hishammuddin said. -- Malaysia has received some radar data from other countries, he said, but "we are not at liberty to release information from other countries." -- Reports that the plane was sighted by people in the Maldives are "not true," Hishammuddin said, citing the Chief of the Malaysian Defense Force who contacted his counterpart in the Maldives. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Well the authorities are more or less sure that the alternate path taken was not on manual' date=' it was programmed into the auto-pilot itself. [b']They are not sure whether the programming was done before or during the flight. They are also sure that the diversion happened at least 12 minutes before the voice from the cockpit signed of with, "all right, good night". This pretty much suggests that the plane was not incapacitated in any capacity and it was intentionally diverted. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 The programming was done during the flight. What they were not sure is if it was done before or after "all right, good night". Now they think: A law enforcement official told CNN Tuesday that the aircraft's first turn to the west was almost certainly programmed by somebody in the cockpit. The official, who has been briefed on the investigation, said the programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's co-pilot signed off to air traffic controllers, telling them, "All right, good night." Programming a diversion does not directly imply that there was nothing wrong with the plane - the plane would have been programmed to go to the nearest airport (in case of malfunction) or something else (in case of hijacking/sabotage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Programming a diversion does not directly imply that there was nothing wrong with the plane - the plane would have been programmed to go to the nearest airport (in case of malfunction) or something else (in case of hijacking/sabotage) But in that case they wouldn't have given that calm expression of "all right good night". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 But in that case they wouldn't have given that calm expression of "all right good night". That is a valid point - esp. since we are being told that the FMS was programmed 12 mins earlier (A part of me wants to give a clean chit to everyone and take this as an unfortunate incidence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zen Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 As we know, FBI is investigating deleted files on the hard drive of the simulator. This may (or may not) provide additional clues. In the meantime, let's consider this: To say that this is a very high profile event is an understatement. No one wants to take the blame for it - whether it is MAS, Boeing, Rolls Royce, ATC, etc. The way the Malaysians govt. handled the issue has come in for a lot of criticism. While the pilots are easy targets and based on the info "provided" probably there is a strong case for that. However, it should be noted that as a safety measure many experienced pilots program the Flight Management System (FMS) to alternate locations in case the plane needs to be diverted quickly in an emergency. Coming back to the search, computer models have narrowed down the area in the south. But the narrowed down area is still BIG with strong currents and winds. The area is below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 JUST IN: Tony Abbott says possible debris found in Indian Ocean Prime Minister Tony Abbott has announced objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysian Airlines plane have been found in the southern Indian Ocean. Mr Abbott says new satellite images show two possible objects in the ocean and an Australian Orion aircraft is en route to the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roshanrocks Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 JUST IN: Tony Abbott says possible debris found in Indian Ocean Hope this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ^ watching live coverage of this news unfolding in CNN... seems interesting. Aussie PM making such a statement makes it look like they have found something really interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ^ watching live coverage of this news unfolding in CNN... seems interesting. Aussie PM making such a statement makes it look like they have found something really interesting... Keep us posted! I am going to hit the sack soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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