Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 see the court does not go by instincts and Tamil phobia' date=' they need proof. Court will need proof evidence that csk players did spot fixing and or betting..unless they get any of that they wont suspend CSK. And no even the indian penal code gets amended with every passing judgement..if the laws of any institution or society can not be modified with time then you will endup with something like medieval rule of law seen in certain nations of certain kind if you know what i mean.[/quote'] You are not getting it Csk will get banned cos of what management did not players If player did it on his own he will be banned but management means team has to be banned it's clear rule of ipl not law and rules means nothing if they can be scrapped at time of enforcement If hat was the case it will be called a SUGGESTION not RULE Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ok, so cricket rule says if someone is bowled he is out. But of course, that means if someone you like comes to bat, he should not be out as rules are only meant to guide So what IPL rule will you break next? should your team field 10 foreign players because rules are only meant to guide? Should teams openly poach players from other teams because rules are meant to guide? You do understand the repercussions of an owner being corrupt? There is a likelihood of the entire team to be affected Rules are meant to be enforced otherwise they are not rules Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 The court only needs proof that Meyippan was involved in betting, not the players to suspend CSK. They have made it pretty clear. http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/731601.html The court does want CSK and RR to be suspended, it is not waiting for any other proof Has the court ordered yet ?haven't seen one ofcourse if it orders CSK should be suspended but has it ? Link to comment
maniac Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 CSK is a big enough brand name that even if it is up for saleandmake a lot of money,I am sure the name and franchise will be retained....the only thing is Srini might have to let go.....Also this is only a CSK related issue,India cements is not under any investigation and obviously that will be Srini's main bread and butter any way....so apart from his big EGO don't see why he is making it more difficult for himself. Yeah some amount of power in cricket will be lost but he still has TNCA to fall back on and he is a big enough industrialist that he has politicians in his pocket already in terms of retaining some amount of power. Dhoni is the guy that will be screwed a lot more here. Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Has the court ordered yet ?haven't seen one ofcourse if it orders CSK should be suspended but has it ? It has proposed very strictly to do that...now you can join the dots what will happen Press conference UAE for ipl already cancelled ... Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ok, so cricket rule says if someone is bowled he is out. But of course, that means if someone you like comes to bat, he should not be out as rules are only meant to guide So what IPL rule will you break next? should your team field 10 foreign players because rules are only meant to guide? Should teams openly poach players from other teams because rules are meant to guide? You do understand the repercussions of an owner being corrupt? There is a likelihood of the entire team to be affected Crickets rules have to be modified and have been modified and will be modified keeping in mind the welfare of the game. Modifiying a rule or law or making it better for a particular case if not breaking it. There being a likelihood is not good enough, there has to be proof that entire team is affected. Innocent untill proven guilty. Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 It has proposed very strictly to do that...now you can join the dots what will happen Press conference UAE for ipl already cancelled ... So not ordered yet. Link to comment
maniac Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 @Vilander are you supporting Mama or CSK? Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Crickets rules have to be modified and have been modified and will be modified keeping in mind the welfare of the game. Modifiying a rule or law or making it better for a particular case if not breaking it. There being a likelihood is not good enough, there has to be proof that entire team is affected. Innocent untill proven guilty. Lol...so modify the rule to let csk play? What's wrong with rule exactly? Rules are modified if they have serious flaw in it ..if this rule is scrapped what is stopping other teams from fixing ? This rule was in place for a reason. The reason was to stop the exact same situation which has happened right now and punish the guilty ... For a rule to be scrapped it has to have big flaws and no benefit and should be detriment to success of organisation this rule might be bad for csk but only reaso it's bad because they committed a crime it will to effect anyone who plays fairly and it forces teams to play fairly To me it's a very good rule which will punish the guilty and stop others from committing same mistake :winky: Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So not ordered yet. Where did I say it's ordered ? Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 @Vilander are you supporting Mama or CSK? Neither, just IPL in this case. IPL stands to loose the most if CSK is no more. If CSK is suspended people in TN will loose any interest in IPL they would likely not suppport IPL even if there is an other franchise of some other name, the general feeling there is that Indians do not like a tamil team in IPL, its kinda logical if you look at if from their stand point with 10000 fishermen being killed by SL but no action but two fishermen get killed in Kerala India goes to war with Italy. Srini mama is not someone that one would or should support, he needs no ones support he is a benami of the k clan (if i could say that and live...god save me). Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Please explain me one thing if this rule is not here what is stopping every other team from doing the same thing ? Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Lol...so modify the rule to let csk play? What's wrong with rule exactly? Rules are modified if they have serious flaw in it ..if this rule is scrapped what is stopping other teams from fixing ? This rule was in place for a reason. The reason was to stop the exact same situation which has happened right now and punish the guilty ... For a rule to be scrapped it has to have big flaws and no benefit and should be detriment to success of organisation this rule might be bad for csk but only reaso it's bad because they committed a crime it will to effect anyone who plays fairly and it forces teams to play fairly To me it's a very good rule which will punish the guilty and stop others from committing same mistake :winky: Yeah but CSK is not guilty its Meyappan. Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Please explain me one thing if this rule is not here what is stopping every other team from doing the same thing ? Doing which thing ? 1, Spot fix - is it proven that CSK did that thing. 2, Management guy does betting - like Meyappan did. 3, Did Meyappan influence a match to personal benefits in betting and CSK players played fiddle - we would know once the order comes - If he did CSK should be suspended. Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Neither, just IPL in this case. IPL stands to loose the most if CSK is no more. If CSK is suspended people in TN will loose any interest in IPL they would likely not suppport IPL even if there is an other franchise of some other name, the general feeling there is that Indians do not like a tamil team in IPL, its kinda logical if you look at if from their stand point with 10000 fishermen being killed by SL but no action but two fishermen get killed in Kerala India goes to war with Italy. Srini mama is not someone that one would or should support, he needs no ones support he is a benami of the k clan (if i could say that and live...god save me). Whose fault is that ? Mumbai people will lose interest if Mumbai is banned Pune had been scrapped,Kerala was scrapped and rr is also being scrapped and many of these teams had fans You guys should thank Supreme Court that they are getting rid of team which committed fraud on it's fans by fixing you guys should be angry and demand new owners,new team and most importantly fair games of cricket not tainted by owners of the team to whom you people pay money to support them see play cricket not see plays dictated by owner of team which makes him rich. Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Whose fault is that ? Mumbai people will lose interest if Mumbai is banned Pune had been scrapped,Kerala was scrapped and rr is also being scrapped and many of these teams had fans You guys should thank Supreme Court that they are getting rid of team which committed fraud on it's fans by fixing you guys should be angry and demand new owners,new team and most importantly fair games of cricket not tainted by owners of the team to whom you people pay money to support them see play cricket not see plays dictated by owner of team which makes him rich. Yeah but in case of CSK the issue is conflict of interest from India cements - so sell CSK to some other mgmt. The issue is Meyappan betting - no spot fixing no player betting - so fire meyappan punish him. There is considerable room for forgiving CSK, the court might just do that, then again it might not we just have to wait for the order. Link to comment
Old guy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Doing which thing ? 1, Spot fix - is it proven that CSK did that thing. 2, Management guy does betting - like Meyappan did. 3, Did Meyappan influence a match to personal benefits in betting and CSK players played fiddle - we would know once the order comes - If he did CSK should be suspended. Why the hell do you think this rule was made in first place ? Even guys who made ipl had enough common sense to know that if owner of team is fixing that means whole team is compromised How naive are you to think that if owner spot fixes or bets he will control the play..he can control even which player will play...they have enough control over dhoni to make him lie about meyyapan Thank god Supreme Court is not naive and they saw through this and tore these arguments apart .. Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Whose fault is that ? Mumbai people will lose interest if Mumbai is banned Pune had been scrapped,Kerala was scrapped and rr is also being scrapped and many of these teams had fans You guys should thank Supreme Court that they are getting rid of team which committed fraud on it's fans by fixing you guys should be angry and demand new owners,new team and most importantly fair games of cricket not tainted by owners of the team to whom you people pay money to support them see play cricket not see plays dictated by owner of team which makes him rich. you use you people too many times for my liking, so you are type casting. I wonder what evidence you have to support your theory that this 'people' do not like SC cleaning Indian cricket. Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Crickets rules have to be modified and have been modified and will be modified keeping in mind the welfare of the game. Modifiying a rule or law or making it better for a particular case if not breaking it. There being a likelihood is not good enough, there has to be proof that entire team is affected. Innocent untill proven guilty. Err, rules are not modified in the middle of the match when someone gets out. They are modified after much debating and testing A criminal cannot break a rule and then modify it. Any modification to the rules which happens will apply for subsequent IPLs, not the one which is already over. Changes in rules do not apply retrospectively. Now since the ball after a no-ball is a free-hit, Sachin cannot say he was not out in 1992 because he got out on the next ball after a no-ball That the entire team needs to be involved to ban a team is your clause, not the IPL's or the supreme court's Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So not ordered yet. It has said, if the board doesn't take these steps, then the court will Link to comment
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