Old guy Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 No I am not making point just trying to understand what arguments are ..me personally do not like death penalty but I have also not been in position where I want some one killed . I am just curious ..
Detonator Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Great way to put your point. In a case, which is relevant to this particular line of thought, few members of Verappan gang are on death row. They committed gruesome crime in early 90's and killed scores of policemen with landmines and this is beyon reasonable doubt so no chance of false conviction. But IIRC some of the people of this group are in late 70's, completely sick, incapable of carrying themselves. Moreover organization which they belonged to is long dead. Whose life you are saving by executing this set of people? good point dood. My view is, a gruesome sadist rapist murderer can be executed, before he could do it more. A well planned execution of crime with no motive but to please his fetish is a series crime which deserves death penalty. A father kiliing someone trying to protect his child, isn't a barbaric act. He doesn't deserve death. Get the difference?
Old guy Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 For saving life you have to catch and the example you gave sounds like mentally ill person to me who shoukd be locked away forever and that will save life too .. I get death penalty to save cost but other than that and eye for eye approach which might make victim feel better it accomplishes nothing .. Saving life is far fetched as people are only given death penalty after gruesome crimes not before.
Brainfade Posted October 14, 2014 Author Posted October 14, 2014 Yes, it is a valid argument, but we should use these arguments to refine the justice system better rather than mask the issue. It is a big deterrent to stop somebody from committing the crime. Without that people will not hesitate to commit a heinous crime. In software perspective, we need to fix the bug in code and not dump the whole product. The difference is that code is not life-and-death. You have a chance to fix it. Which makes the death penalty a whole different animal.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 What is more important ..saving life of some one innocent or killing the guilty? ...:hmmm: IMO saving life is (and should be) always more important.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 well' date=' wouldn't that decision have unforeseen consequences?[b'] What if they hijack a flight or a ship demanding to release him? Justice should not be done on the basis of any future event that may/may not happen.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Like the Anti-dowry law that gets misused rarely' date=' but catches the criminals 99.99% of the time. [b']How often does wrongful convictions happen? Numbers don't matter when discussing life and death. As someone said in this thread, justice should err on the side of life.
Detonator Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Doesn't matter. Imprison the same highjackers (if they survive attempts to capture them alive that is) in the same gulaag. If you kill the guy' date=' the same hijackers could be motivated by vengeance too.[/quote'] ur fav buddy Muloghonto already gave a good reponse dood. :two_thumbs_up: Sometimes, prevention is better than cure.
yoda Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Justice should not be done on the basis of any future event that may/may not happen. One of the reasons criminals are put behind bar is so they are not a menace to the society again in the future. So yea future is part of the deal.
Old guy Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 ur fav buddy Muloghonto already gave a good reponse dood. :two_thumbs_up: Sometimes, prevention is better than cure. That example is flawed how can they hijack from jail ?:cantstop:
Detonator Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 That example is flawed how can they hijack from jail ?:cantstop: Nah, the contect is Mulo asked about cancelling the death sentence for Kasab, my argument is Kasab's group might hijack something, demanding his release. Like the one happened in the year 2000
India-KXIP fan Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 Death penalty is here to stay for countries with large populations especially. Every inmate staying alive isn't for free. Life in prison costs > execution. Life in prison imo better than death. Unless maybe if it's life in solitary confinement which is the case often in countries like US.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Injustice Facts @InjusticeFacts 17% of those executed in the U.S. before the advent of DNA testing were posthumously proven innocent. I don't know whether this is true or not but even if its somewhat less than 17%, it would be a HUGE figure.
randomGuy Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I guess the debate should be on the way the execution is carried out. In the US, a big majority of death row convicts choose lethal injection. I would choose that too if I had to choose. But would prefer to be injected out in the open rather than in a closed enclosure where it may get claustrophobic or panicky or depressing. But out in the open, I suppose the process will be far more relaxed.
Texan Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Is this discussion about the death penalty in the US or is this discussion about India? That is not an irrelevant point. You have to understand that while in US, the death penalty is 'liberally' awarded, in India it is awarded in the rarest of rare circumstances. They are thought to be beyond capability of reforming. They also have extensive legal options available before such a penalty is enforced. In the midst of all these discussions, please also spare a thought for the victims (in many cases innocent) that lost their lives because of these individuals.
Crookbond Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Injustice Facts @InjusticeFacts 17% of those executed in the U.S. before the advent of DNA testing were posthumously proven innocent. I don't know whether this is true or not but even if its somewhat less than 17%, it would be a HUGE figure. It is true, I guess. I had also posted some article about this earlier in the thread (or may be some other one).
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