Brainfade Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 http://academicsreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AR_Organic-Marketing-Report_Print.pdf “If the threats posed by cheaper, conventionally produced products are removed, then the potential to develop organic foods will be limited,” Kay Hamilton, of Promar International told attendees at the 1999 Organic Food Conference. Hamilton added that the potential for growth in the organic market would be limited if the perceived “threats to safe food production are removed”. Also, the “potential to develop the organic market would be limited” The following analysis, based on an extensive review of published research into consumer attitudes about organic products over the past 25 years, combined with an extensive analysis of documented organic and natural product industry practices, finds direct evidence that widespread, collaborative and pervasive industry marketing activities are a primary cause for false and misleading consumer health and safety perceptions about competing conventional foods. Further, this review finds no evidence that other unrelated sources play a significant role in creating these consumer misperceptions. Our review suggests a widespread organic and natural products industry pattern of research-informed and intentionally-deceptive marketing and advocacy related practices with the implied use and approval of the u.S. government endorsed USDA Organic Seal New York Times columnist Michael Pollan admitted to the existence of pro-organic media bias to attendees at an organic food and natural health conference in 2013 stating: The media has really been on our side for the most part. I know this from writing for the New York Times where I’ve written about a lot of other topics, but when I wrote about food I never had to give equal time to the other side. I could say whatever I thought and offer my own conclusions. Say you should buy grass feed beef and organic is better, and these editors in New York didn’t realize there is anyone who disagrees with that point of view. So I felt like I got a free ride for a long time.”
DomainK Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Stop this anti-organic food campaign. It's getting irritating now.
Brainfade Posted June 3, 2014 Author Posted June 3, 2014 Stop this anti-organic food campaign. It's getting irritating now. Just doing my part as a resident biochemist on this board to bust some myths and propagate some peer-reviewed science to counter the pseudoscience that pervades the media today. You're welcome to use the ignore function. It's there for a reason, you know!
Brainfade Posted June 3, 2014 Author Posted June 3, 2014 Was your moniker cricAddict earlier? Yes. If you look under my current moniker, it says "Was_Cricaddict." Never tried to hide it :)!!
coffee_rules Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Yes. If you look under my current moniker' date=' it says "Was_Cricaddict." Never tried to hide it :)!![/quote'] Duh! On topic, alhough not having researched enough, from a layman/practical point of view, this organic industry is a big scam. I have seen Organic toothpastes, shampoos now. Purely, from a taste point of view, I can say that "organic" fruits taste better than conventional fruits. Strawberries/Bananas. Don't know how it will affect health-wise.
Brainfade Posted June 3, 2014 Author Posted June 3, 2014 Duh! On topic, alhough not having researched enough, from a layman/practical point of view, this organic industry is a big scam. I have seen Organic toothpastes, shampoos now. Purely, from a taste point of view, I can say that "organic" fruits taste better than conventional fruits. Strawberries/Bananas. Don't know how it will affect health-wise. Glad to do the research for you :-). I teach agricultural biotechnology as part of my job, so it is easy for me to dig up and scrutinize articles in this field. Also, I have nothing against organic foods in general. They have their place - they tend to be more locally farmed (although local is not the same as organic), the fruit ripen on the plant rather than in transit, and thus may taste better. It is the bogus claims of natural (that the seeds are not genetically modified at all), no pesticide, more nutritious, better for the environment that I detest. Here is an OTT funny video about organic food (NSFW!!) ku6m0TF9CUg
Desi Cartman Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 I personally dont buy organic food as I dont feel any difference. My wife does prefer organic chicken as she feels that non-organic chicken in the US has a smell, she didnt have this problem in Australia. I do have a friend who kept having skin reactions till she moved to organic items but now she is doing much much better. In my office in the silicon valley, a lot of people are vegan, at least half of the staff eats organic only and then there are some who dont even wish to eat gluten or soda or soda from a can and drink from bottle. I think this organic thing has created tiers so now rich people eat organic while others dont.
coffee_rules Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Another claim I have heard is the if we feed kids (girls) only Organic milk, their start of menstruation cycle can be delayed by a few years . (normally it is 11/12 years old)! Any truth to that?
Brainfade Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 Another claim I have heard is the if we feed kids (girls) only Organic milk' date=' their start of menstruation cycle can be delayed by a few years . (normally it is 11/12 years old)! [b']Any truth to that? Not at all. It is a misconception related to the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in cows. The flawed premise is that this growth hormone makes it way into milk and causes early puberty. Cows used in organic milk production are not supposed to be treated with rBGH, and hence people think that this will help delay menstrual onset. But, get this: rBGH use was approved for use in cows in 1993. The average age of menstrual onset in the US has been declining steadily since at least 1900. In 1900, it was 14.2. In 1922, it was 13.5. In 1970, it was 12.8. In 1998, it was 12.53. In 2002, it was 12.34. As you can see, average age of menstrual onset has nothing to do with rBGH use, and has been declining long before rBGH use. Also, the average age for menstrual onset has been declining in Europe, where rBGH use is not allowed. So, why is the average age of menstrual onset decreasing? The major correlated factor is increased body mass index (BMI). On average, heavier kids reach menarche earlier.
Brainfade Posted June 4, 2014 Author Posted June 4, 2014 I personally dont buy organic food as I dont feel any difference. My wife does prefer organic chicken as she feels that non-organic chicken in the US has a smell' date=' she didnt have this problem in Australia. [b']I do have a friend who kept having skin reactions till she moved to organic items but now she is doing much much better. That's interesting. Is that the only change she made to her diet, lifestyle and treatment? While I am usually inclined to completely dismiss such anecdotes, it is intriguing. It is similar to homeopathy, ayurveda (for things other than simple ailments), reiki, faith-healing etc. that have no scientific basis, but seem to work for some people. A few months ago, a family elder in India was experiencing severe and persistent cold, cough and fever. She left it untreated for a day or two, then took allopathic medicine for a few days; things got a bit better, but the symptoms persisted. She then started homeopathy. Within a week after she started homeopathy, she was fine. She swears by homeopathy now. My analysis? It was a viral infection that would've gone away in 2 weeks, regardless of treatment.
CSK Fan Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 That's interesting. Is that the only change she made to her diet, lifestyle and treatment? While I am usually inclined to completely dismiss such anecdotes, it is intriguing. It is similar to homeopathy, ayurveda (for things other than simple ailments), reiki, faith-healing etc. that have no scientific basis, but seem to work for some people. A few months ago, a family elder in India was experiencing severe and persistent cold, cough and fever. She left it untreated for a day or two, then took allopathic medicine for a few days; things got a bit better, but the symptoms persisted. She then started homeopathy. Within a week after she started homeopathy, she was fine. She swears by homeopathy now. My analysis? It was a viral infection that would've gone away in 2 weeks, regardless of treatment. The placebo effect is very well documented in medicine. It is just the belief of the patient which cures, nothing else
Detonator Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 The placebo effect is very well documented in medicine. It is just the belief of the patient which cures' date=' nothing else[/quote'] Placebo effect invokes a type of Neurogenesis and it best works for the neurobiological medical conditions. Persistent cold, cough and fever usually comes from foreign contact, mostly viral, and bacterial in case of whooping cough. @Moth2Flame. Geniune practitioners of homeopathy are as rare as honest politicians. Homeopathic medicines now a days are just small steroid balls, which may deceive the patients to think that it's a God's gift and the side effects show up very soon. My advice is better take the medicine to a testing lab. If it turn out to be a steroid stop it immedietely.
CSK Fan Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Placebo effect invokes a type of Neurogenesis and it best works for the neurobiological medical conditions. Persistent cold, cough and fever usually comes from foreign contact, mostly viral, and bacterial in case of whooping cough. @Moth2Flame. Geniune practitioners of homeopathy are as rare as honest politicians. Homeopathic medicines now a days are just small steroid balls, which may deceive the patients to think that it's a God's gift and the side effects show up very soon. My advice is better take the medicine to a testing lab. If it turn out to be a steroid stop it immedietely. Placebo effect has in the past shown to work on a wide variety of things from Parkinson's to even fever where doctors have prescribed them instead of anti-biotics And what are genuine practitioners of homeopathy when the science behind it is itself false?
Detonator Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Placebo effect has in the past shown to work on a wide variety of things from Parkinson's to even fever where doctors have prescribed them instead of anti-biotics And what are genuine practitioners of homeopathy when the science behind it is itself false? Guess I got a brainfart. Confused the homeopathy with siddha/ayurvedic :cantstop:
kruiser Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Placebo effect has in the past shown to work on a wide variety of things from Parkinson's to even fever where doctors have prescribed them instead of anti-biotics And what are genuine practitioners of homeopathy when the science behind it is itself false? I have benefited a lot from Homeopathic medicine, cant believe it was just placebo. I avoided a tonsillitis operation, recovered from an skin infection that was pathological and allopathic medicines couldn't cure, not to mention the numerous times I have taken homeopathic medicine for cold & cough relief. I guess it may not work for some people and there are strict rules for taking medicine for them to be effective, but is there any evidence that says Science behind it is false?
Desi Cartman Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 I met someone at work and he thinks that one gets autism due to vaccination. And no, he is not a Pakistani
AmreekanDesi Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 I met someone at work and he thinks that one gets autism due to vaccination. And no' date=' he is not a Pakistani[/quote'] afghani?
Detonator Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 I have benefited a lot from Homeopathic medicine, cant believe it was just placebo. I avoided a tonsillitis operation, recovered from an skin infection that was pathological and allopathic medicines couldn't cure, not to mention the numerous times I have taken homeopathic medicine for cold & cough relief. I guess it may not work for some people and there are strict rules for taking medicine for them to be effective, but is there any evidence that says Science behind it is false? The surgical removal of tonsillitis is only done for chronic cases, which are very rare since the 18th century. It's one of the bacterial infections where the steroids are administered for a 1 or 2 doses in case of acute pain caused by swelling. Mainstream doctors rarely give steroids and look to cure it slowly (for obvious reasons :giggle:) but homeopathic practitioners are very much happy to give you number of dosages without batting an eye. Skin infection is directly related to depression. Skin is the first organ to react to the changes in brain. Most common example is blushing :embaressed_smile:. The anxiety and panic caused by your tonsillitis caused the it. Again, as I said before placebo method is the easiest way to cure the skin infections during these times.
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