Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[MediumPacer]

ferguson avg pace tournament 140k,today 146k

[MK55]

Lockie interrupted very late in his run-up by this clown Silva. The next ball needed to be at his head

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, MK55 said:

Lockie interrupted very late in his run-up by this clown Silva. The next ball needed to be at his head

Dragon fly was around his vision 

[MK55]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Dragon fly was around his vision 

Doesn’t matter 

[MediumPacer]

if you take wickets you can slow batsmen down even on very easy batting pitches

[MediumPacer]

126k looks so slow from southee

[MediumPacer]

santner avg since 2019 wc ,vs lhb 83 vs rhb 30

[MediumPacer]

gavaskar captain will be ok if spinner is occasionally hit for 4 or 6,still stuck in the past lol

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

Someone looking quick is subjective and vague and not objective.  Under majority of the circumstances, release speed is a good proxy for ‘quickness’ or bowling velocity.

 

Now you can combine that with other factors like bounce, seam position, ability to extract movement, death bowling skills etc.

 

My point is keep those other factors separate. Instead of clubbing them all as being visibly quick. If a bowler who bowls 145-150 is looking innocuous, then, under most circumstances, you’ve got problems in the way they are being utilized.

If a bowler is average height, his lengths need to be altered appropriately. More preference to getting those Yorkers right. If a bowler can extract bounce, set your plans accordingly. And then these will not look innocuous.

 

 

 

Pacers with poor or sub-par ball releases or poor bowling actions are often unable to make the batters " feel " their pace.

 

Their balls do not travel through the air well enough or the balls lose more than normal pace after pitching. Some pacers spray the ball and their pace becomes the batsmen's friend instead of their friend. 

 

The main purpose of high release speeds is to the hurry batters consistently and to intimidate them from time to time.  We have to look for pacers who are doing this.

[MediumPacer]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Their balls do not travel through the air well enough

not possible

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

not possible

 

Possible when the ball starts wobbling.

 

By not traveling well enough I mean not optimally for that pacer. If the seam position becomes poor then the ball won't have the desired effect. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by express bowling

[MK55]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Their balls do not travel through the air well enough or the balls lose more than normal pace after pitching. Some pacers spray the ball and their pace becomes the batsmen's friend instead of their friend. 

See this where I have a problem. Unless you’re making the ball spin or bending time, a good release speed is correlated with the ball traveling faster in the air.

 

About spraying the ball and seam positions, that can be attributed to the bowler not having baseline level of bowling skills. And if that’s the issue they need a bit of work. 

Also, once you have pace and once u meet the baseline skill requirements, you gotta embrace your uniqueness, cater your plans based of that and exploit that. We’ve seen bowlers of various types do that in the past right from the days of Malcolm Marshal. 

 

[MediumPacer]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Possible when the ball starts wobbling.

 

By not traveling well enough I mean not optimally for that pacer. If the seam position becomes poor then the ball won't have the desired effect. 

does this include bhuvi bhaiya

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, MK55 said:

See this where I have a problem. Unless you’re making the ball spin or bending time, a good release speed is correlated with the ball traveling faster in the air.

 

It will travel faster through the air. But the batter won't play the ball in the air unless it is a full toss.

 

If the ball does not land on the seam properly then then the loss in pace will be more than what the batsman anticipates. And he may not get hurried as much.

 

28 minutes ago, MK55 said:

 

About spraying the ball and seam positions, that can be attributed to the bowler not having baseline level of bowling skills. And if that’s the issue they need a bit of work. 

 

 

Not all established pacers in international cricket have great seam positions. It is not an issue of just a bit of work. It may never come.

 

28 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Also, once you have pace and once u meet the baseline skill requirements, you gotta embrace your uniqueness, cater your plans based of that and exploit that. We’ve seen bowlers of various types do that in the past right from the days of Malcolm Marshal. 

 

 

I am not disputing that. But that is not the issue we were discussing 

 

I want to see batsmen getting hurried consistently and getting intimidated from time to time. 

 

High release speeds should make this happen. If it is not happening, whatever the reason, then that quick pacer is not serving his purpose yet 

[MediumPacer]

pace in the air is not that important ,full tosses gets to the batsmen the quickest but are the easiest to face.

[MediumPacer]

such a slow pitch, Ferguson bowls at 90mph and madhushanka has so much time to hit ,almost lobs him for a 4 as if facing a spinner.

[MK55]

34 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It will travel faster through the air. But the batter won't play the ball in the air unless it is a full toss.

 

If the ball does not land on the seam properly then then the loss in pace will be more than what the batsman anticipates. And he may not get hurried as much.

 

 

Not all established pacers in international cricket have great seam positions. It is not an issue of just a bit of work. It may never come.

 

 

I am not disputing that. But that is not the issue we were discussing 

 

I want to see batsmen getting hurried consistently and getting intimidated from time to time. 

 

High release speeds should make this happen. If it is not happening, whatever the reason, then that quick pacer is not serving his purpose yet 

Agree with most.

My point is that a 145-150 bowler with baseline levels of skills and a decent enough seam position (not saying he should be Shami) will also ‘feel’ quicker than a 137-143k bowler. I’m sure most batsmen will agree on that. 

 

If as a quick bowler you don’t have a half decent seam position or if u keep bowling full-tosses, you gotta be thrown out till u get that sorted. There’s no argument over here. That pace is utterly wasted 

Also, not relevant to the point here, but I’d always have a genuine quick with baseline skills and probably one who’s super accurate at 140-145k and then probably someone who offers something unique than having a team with 3 bowlers of the same type. 

[MediumPacer]

very slow pitch ,once ball gets old even tailenders are hard to beat

[MK55]

What is NZ fascination with this trundler Southee??

49 of 7 overs with just 1 wicket against SL lol

[MK55]

Someone like Anrich Nortje who’s not known for excessive bounce or the best seam position in the game bowling at 150k will feel quicker than let’s say Shami bowling at 143k.
Wood bowling at 150k will feel quicker if he lands the ball at a decent length than a 143k bowler.

 

Whether he takes more wickets will depend on various other factors, including bowler rhythm and the nature of the wicket and the bowling plans in place