Sachin=GOD Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 When SP came to power with such a big majority, it was obvious that there would be some communal tension because SP has always given too much preference to Muslims and that has always created tension in their Govt. But what has happened in the last 2 years in UP is pretty much unprecedented - Akhilesh Yadav is just inept and does not know the ABC of administration. And, to make the situation much, much worse, BJP under Amit Shah (I mean since he became UP in charge) has been very, very active in creating as much communal tension as possible for electoral gains. And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams so they will continue this till they come to power in UP also.
FischerTal Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 It is wrong to blame just one community for these riots. BJP and it's family has been active in the region for sometime to flare up communal passion and vitiate atmoshphere to this level. There were continuous news in media that cadres of BJP and allies were moving from other parts of western UP to Saharanpur. Local people could have sorted it out but external elements deteriorated the situation to this level. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bharatiya-janata-party-leaders-detained-for-protests-in-saharanpur/488445-3-242.html http://www.dehradun.amarujala.com/feature/city-hulchul-dun/bjp-leader-arrested-for-comment-on-saharanpur-riots/ This is hardly any surprise that since we became Modistan, communal situation across country going downhill. Bhagwant Mann getting competition in comedy department :hatsoff:
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 When SP came to power with such a big majority' date=' it was obvious that there would be some communal tension because SP has always given too much preference to Muslims and that has always created tension in their Govt. But what has happened in the last 2 years in UP is pretty much unprecedented - Akhilesh Yadav is just inept and does not know the ABC of administration. And, to make the situation much, much worse, BJP under Amit Shah (I mean since he became UP in charge) has been very, very active in creating as much communal tension as possible for electoral gains. And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams so they will continue this till they come to power in UP also.[/quote'] Yes. This will continue until BJP comes in power in UP. Then there would be no riots as they claim for Gujrat. Of course when rioters are in government itself how there can be any riots. In Saharanpur case, immediate reason seems to be aggression of one community, but BJP had been there preparing ground work, stroking communal tension and holding meetings and inciting people. It is such a shame a national ruling party behaves in such irresponsible manner. Akhilesh Yadav is inept to the core in any case.
someone Posted July 29, 2014 Author Posted July 29, 2014 Yes. This will continue until BJP comes in power in UP. Then there would be no riots as they claim for Gujrat. Of course when rioters are in government itself how there can be any riots. In Saharanpur case, immediate reason seems to be aggression of one community, but BJP had been there preparing ground work, stroking communal tension and holding meetings and inciting people. It is such a shame a national ruling party behaves in such irresponsible manner. Akhilesh Yadav is inept to the core in any case. Lovely, so just because you can't control Muslims, neither will admit those Muslims onslaught. You will blame others. The above diagram suits you beautifully.
FischerTal Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 An truthful secular journalism. Pretty much this.
Texan Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Lovely' date=' so just because you can't control Muslims, neither will admit those Muslims onslaught. You will blame others. The above diagram suits you beautifully.[/quote'] I bet he took the hotlink route :winky:
Number Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 When SP came to power with such a big majority' date=' it was obvious that there would be some communal tension because SP has always given too much preference to Muslims and that has always created tension in their Govt. But what has happened in the last 2 years in UP is pretty much unprecedented - Akhilesh Yadav is just inept and does not know the ABC of administration. And, to make the situation much, much worse, BJP under Amit Shah (I mean since he became UP in charge) has been very, very active in creating as much communal tension as possible for electoral gains. And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams so they will continue this till they come to power in UP also.[/quote'] Amit Shah came to UP only in July 2013 there were 39 riots already under SP govt. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-09-09/news/41903441_1_akhilesh-yadav-government-muzaffarnagar-two-youths Also in other states where BJP has made massive gains, there are no reports of riots etc. Of course, BJP/RSS side with Hindus post riots and try taking advantage of that, no doubt. But the main problem imo is police having no orders for doing anything against these mobs and taking pro-active actions against these elements. Otherwise under BSP, UP was calm.
FischerTal Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Before Amit Shah came to UP only in July 2013 there were 39 riots already under SP govt. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-09-09/news/41903441_1_akhilesh-yadav-government-muzaffarnagar-two-youths Also in other states where BJP has made massive gains, there are no reports of riots etc. Of course, BJP/RSS side with Hindus post riots and try taking advantage of that, no doubt. But the main problem imo is police having no orders for doing anything against these mobs and taking pro-active actions against these elements. Otherwise under BSP, UP was calm. Logic takes a backseat whenever Amit shah's name comes up for some people :giggle: I'm sure they will say he was planning these riots in jail too
Sachin=GOD Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Amit Shah came to UP only in July 2013 there were 39 riots already under SP govt. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-09-09/news/41903441_1_akhilesh-yadav-government-muzaffarnagar-two-youths Also in other states where BJP has made massive gains, there are no reports of riots etc. Of course, BJP/RSS side with Hindus post riots and try taking advantage of that, no doubt. But the main problem imo is police having no orders for doing anything against these mobs and taking pro-active actions against these elements. Otherwise under BSP, UP was calm. I am saying that there has been massive increase in such activity from BJP since Amit Shah became in charge. As for earlier riots in SP administration - it is probably the most inept administration in the country and as you said, they are deliberately not controlling these situations. NDA should threaten President's Rule - maybe then Akhilesh/MSY will be forced to do something.
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Amit Shah came to UP only in July 2013 there were 39 riots already under SP govt. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-09-09/news/41903441_1_akhilesh-yadav-government-muzaffarnagar-two-youths Also in other states where BJP has made massive gains, there are no reports of riots etc. Of course, BJP/RSS side with Hindus post riots and try taking advantage of that, no doubt. But the main problem imo is police having no orders for doing anything against these mobs and taking pro-active actions against these elements. Otherwise under BSP, UP was calm. Riots don't happen in single day. Tension starts from some minor incidents and then groups with vested interests start milking that tension until it blows up in some large scale massacres. So BJP/RSS (and of course other groups as well) don't really wait until full blown riots happen. They very much come in action when tension starts simmering and play their part in taking this to full blown riots.
Midfielder Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 It is wrong to blame just one community for these riots. BJP and it's family has been active in the region for sometime to flare up communal passion and vitiate atmoshphere to this level. There were continuous news in media that cadres of BJP and allies were moving from other parts of western UP to Saharanpur. Local people could have sorted it out but external elements deteriorated the situation to this level. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bharatiya-janata-party-leaders-detained-for-protests-in-saharanpur/488445-3-242.html http://www.dehradun.amarujala.com/feature/city-hulchul-dun/bjp-leader-arrested-for-comment-on-saharanpur-riots/ This is hardly any surprise that since we became Modistan, communal situation across country going downhill. How do you want to blame the sikhs or BJP for this. They bought the land, court said it is their so they have right to construct. Who started the riots?whose shops are burned, who are the victims? what rights do muslims have on this land? religion of peace my foot.
Midfielder Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Riots don't happen in single day. Tension starts from some minor incidents and then groups with vested interests start milking that tension until it blows up in some large scale massacres. So BJP/RSS (and of course other groups as well) don't really wait until full blown riots happen. They very much come in action when tension starts simmering and play their part in taking this to full blown riots. Please explain what does BJP/RSS has to do with these riots? Quit blaming them and blame the congress leaders and muslims for this crap.
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 How do you want to blame the sikhs or BJP for this. They bought the land' date=' court said it is their so they have right to construct. Who started the riots?whose shops are burned, who are the victims? what rights do muslims have on this land? religion of peace my foot.[/quote'] With your language you deserve to be banned. Hope some mod takes note of.
Number Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Please explain what does BJP/RSS has to do with these riots? Quit blaming them and blame the congress leaders and muslims for this crap. My AAPtard brain tells me that BJP/RSS organised muslim mobs in Saharanpur. Muslims are so fond of RSS it seems that they even came from Moradabad on RSS's evocation. Congress leader Imran Masood acted at the behest of Modi and Shah, who he was threatening to kill a few months ago. :hatsoff:
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 My AAPtard brain tells me that BJP/RSS organised muslim mobs in Saharanpur. Muslims are so fond of RSS it seems that they even came from Moradabad on RSS's evocation. Congress leader Imran Masood acted at the behest of Modi and Shah' date=' who he was threatening to kill a few months ago. :hatsoff:[/quote'] Read this article and see that how hyper-active BJP has been in the area in recent times. No surprise riots happened eventually. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bharatiya-janata-party-leaders-detained-for-protests-in-saharanpur/488445-3-242.html .
Texan Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 It is wrong to blame just one community for these riots. BJP and it's family has been active in the region for sometime to flare up communal passion and vitiate atmoshphere to this level. There were continuous news in media that cadres of BJP and allies were moving from other parts of western UP to Saharanpur. Local people could have sorted it out but external elements deteriorated the situation to this level. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bharatiya-janata-party-leaders-detained-for-protests-in-saharanpur/488445-3-242.html http://www.dehradun.amarujala.com/feature/city-hulchul-dun/bjp-leader-arrested-for-comment-on-saharanpur-riots/ This is hardly any surprise that since we became Modistan, communal situation across country going downhill. Both the hyperlinks you have posted do not contain a shred of evidence regarding the involvement of any BJP leader in these riots. Your first hyperlink contains information about leaders not just from BJP, but also Congress being detained for a completely different reason. How that connects to the riots can only be explained by some convoluted logic that you are a master at. Your second hyperlink exposes what a hypocrite you are. You created a huge hue and cry when a Facebook post was objected to by the Shiv Sena. Now, when a BJP leader was arrested for commenting on a Facebook post, you have suddenly jumped the fence and are using this as evidence of his involvement in the riots. I normally refrain from responding to your posts because they usually only contain regurgitation of your earlier posts against a particular religion and political entity and lack any substance whatsoever. But, just felt the need to expose the hypocrisy of your views.
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Both the hyperlinks you have posted do not contain a shred of evidence regarding the involvement of any BJP leader in these riots. Your first hyperlink contains information about leaders not just from BJP, but also Congress being detained for a completely different reason. How that connects to the riots can only be explained by some convoluted logic that you are a master at. Your second hyperlink exposes what a hypocrite you are. You created a huge hue and cry when a Facebook post was objected to by the Shiv Sena. Now, when a BJP leader was arrested for commenting on a Facebook post, you have suddenly jumped the fence and are using this as evidence of his involvement in the riots. I normally refrain from responding to your posts because they usually only contain regurgitation of your earlier posts against a particular religion and political entity and lack any substance whatsoever. But, just felt the need to expose the hypocrisy of your views. Probably you missed this part from the link. Clashes had erupted between BJP workers and the police in Kanth on July 4 over holding of a Mahapanchayat called by the party to protest removal of a loudspeaker from a temple in Akbarpur village, which led to communal tension in the area. if you need a bigger proof for BJP's role in complete deterioration of situation, I can't give one. Why BJP and it's khandan is always found to be in mix whenever communal tension happens anywhere in the country. Facebook news I posted as proof how BJP leaders openly inciting violence. what other proofs you need for BJP's involvement?
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