Is it just me or has Kallis turned from an underrated to overrated batsmen?

[moniker]

You called him overrated rating him individually' date=' not by comparing him to others. He had one of the simplest yet one of the best effective technique in Tests.[/quote'] What I understand from the OP is that Kallis is rated higher than Tendulkar or Lara by certain people based on his stats alone, if that's the case, it does equate to overrating him.

[kira]

What I understand from the OP is that Kallis is rated higher than Tendulkar or Lara by certain people based on his stats alone' date=' if that's the case, it does equate to overrating him.[/quote'] Exactly, since he has retired people seem to cite his 55 average to put him in the league of tendulkar ,lara or even higher. He was underrated earlier but surely has become overrated now

[SLICKR392]

Kallis is one of the best overall crickets of all time. In fact as far as cricketers impact in the game goes, I would rate him way ahead of Sachin. Sachin is a better batsmen, although marginally. The gap is not as big as people think. Kallis is one of the top batsmen ever to play the game. Add to that a great reliable bowler with plenty of wickets. And one of the best ever slip catchers to play the game. Kallis is up there with Gary Sobers IMO

Stop going by stats. Otherwise there is a massive gap just like the rest of the world thinks.

[Kumar]

Kallis is one of the best overall crickets of all time. In fact as far as cricketers impact in the game goes, I would rate him way ahead of Sachin. Sachin is a better batsmen, although marginally. The gap is not as big as people think. Kallis is one of the top batsmen ever to play the game. Add to that a great reliable bowler with plenty of wickets. And one of the best ever slip catchers to play the game. Kallis is up there with Gary Sobers IMO

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[JaFanatic]

hency my thread

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[hhhhdmt]

kallis, Ponting and Dravid, for me, would never be as good as Tendulkar and Lara the batsmen. If you asked me, in the last 30 years i've been keenly following cricket, who are fit the bill of 'great batsmen' truely, it woudl be Gavaskar, Viv, Tendulkar, Steve Waugh and Lara. At their peaks, they not only dominated/atleast never failed badly against anyone they played, they also did it on juicy pitches against much better bowling attacks. Kallis, Dravid and Ponting all had their purple patch and put up the numbers but they failed miserably against a great bowling attack or two and didnt face as much quality bowling attacks like Lara, Tendulkar and Waugh. Kallis IIRC, till Wasim,Waqar,McGrath, Warne retired, averaged under 40 against OZ and Pakistan. Lara, Tendulkar- they had a bad series here and there (especially Lara) but they did beat the snot out of the best bowling attacks back then (lara averaged 50+ vs OZ and high 40s against Pak in the 2W days, Tendy averaged high 50+ and low 40s+ vs these two). Dravid had a horrid time in OZ in 99 and except for 2001 at home, he never truely got the measure of McWarne attack. Ponting, well he bats like Sir Jaddu in tests when in India- yes, he was Harby's bunny but he also crapped his pants at Kumble on a duster as well. Go down the list of batsmen and barring Viv, Sunny,Lara, Tendy and Waugh, i don't think there is any batsman who hasn't had a consistently poor time against one or more great bowling attacks they've faced. Miandad was hopeless against the Windies till the late 80s (when their bowling declined a bit. Garner retired, Marshall lost a bit of pace, Holding was gone, Walsh hadn't fully developed yet and Ambrose-Bishop were not there yet either), Border was ordinary in England and hopeless in West Indies, Jayawardene cant bat well outside the subcontinent and even Sanga is no great shakes overseas despite facing the weakest crop of fast bowling attack in the category. Don't get me wrong- Kallis is an ATG batsman. So are Dravid, Ponting, etc. They would walk into any team that's been fielded from any era and really, thats what makes one an ATG. But IMO, they do not really belong in an Alltime fantasy XI or XV squad on the basis of their batting. Kallis obviously does belong in an alltime XI discussion due to his allround abilities, but IMO, he loses out to Sobers quite handily, as Sobers is definitely in the Lara-Tendulkar-Viv-Gavaskar-Waugh class of batsmen- having either dominated or held his own against some fairly strong attacks on juicy pitches.

i largely agree, i have never understood why some people rate Dravid as good a test player as Tendulkar. tendulkar performed better against the best bowlers

[Marut]

i largely agree' date=' i have never understood why some people rate Dravid as good a test player as Tendulkar. tendulkar performed better against the best bowlers[/quote'] Because many of Dravid's big knocks came in historic victories, especially while playing away. Secondly, Dravid was a very flexible batsman, he played at all positions from an opener to a number seven many times, Tendu was quite inflexible here rarely showing the guts to go up the order and seize the initiative. Tendu was definitely more talented than Dravid ( I don't think any one here or in any other forum will deny this), but talent itself is not everything in cricket. Dravid was a man for a crisis, India rarely lost a match Dravid got a hundred, he was flexible to bat at any batting slot including the opener's slot, he even kept wickets for the side at times, he was successful as a captain (while Tendu was a failure) and many other things.

[Marut]

Kallis was a late bloomer while Tendu was a young genius. I guess this settles the debate. Tendulkar, at 18 was as good a batsman as Kallis at 30. Kallis had a brilliant second half, while Tendu did not have much room to improve, as he was close to perfection even as a teenager!

[JaFanatic]

^In which test did he keep wk ? posting some random stuff to prove your point ?

[kira]

Because many of Dravid's big knocks came in historic victories, especially while playing away. Secondly, Dravid was a very flexible batsman, he played at all positions from an opener to a number seven many times, Tendu was quite inflexible here rarely showing the guts to go up the order and seize the initiative. Tendu was definitely more talented than Dravid ( I don't think any one here or in any other forum will deny this), but talent itself is not everything in cricket. Dravid was a man for a crisis, India rarely lost a match Dravid got a hundred, he was flexible to bat at any batting slot including the opener's slot, he even kept wickets for the side at times, he was successful as a captain (while Tendu was a failure) and many other things.

LOL Dravid fandom going out of control here, Dravid was a notch below Tendulkar. Tendulkar has played more knocks in crises than Dravid.

[rkt.india]

LOL Dravid fandom going out of control here, Dravid was a notch below Tendulkar. Tendulkar has played more knocks in crises than Dravid.

SRT, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sehwag.