sm332 Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 while he hasnt had the best of luck - he seems to epitomizes scattergun to me ... unless he can land a cluster of balls in some area he is going to disappear at 4.5+ per over.
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Dhoni did not try to take an easy edge by Starc. I feel that a slight change in his approach, with more length deliveries whenhe is getting hit, could make him way better. Needs mentoring. We need to show a little patience as he can be a big time wicket taker. He is not able to f ind that in between length consistently, neither is Umesh, but Umesh got wickets to show.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Bhuvi may be fit and play at Melbourne.Else Aaron wilk play.
express bowling Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 He is not able to f ind that in between length consistently' date=' neither is Umesh, but Umesh got wickets to show.[/quote'] That is true. But I wonder whether that is as a result of the team management's instruction to him to bowl a lot of bouncers, maybe 3 or more per over. When predominant length bowling is required , he is unable to make the change as he is inexperienced. In case of Umesh ...he was hitting good lengths against SL. Maybe, he was a bit nervous as this is his first test in 2 years.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Trundlers at least wont go at 6 rpo. Why play trundlers cause they can be economical, just bring in Shami instead. One of these quicks may suddenly develop into a world beater like Zakk did. As for Aaron he has potential and almost got Smith, he should not go completly off radar and should remain around the squad.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Some people are being way too critical. They said the same chit about Yadav, drop him and bring in a trundler. Now look at Yadav. Wickets in both innings, far more potent than any trundler India has ever played in Australia. He got a wicket every 7-8 overs this match, any trundlers with his strike rate in tests? Where are those so critical of pace now? U think trundlers can have Strike rate below 50? It's same with Aaron. He has the ability to do what trundlers cannot. He has pace and hence penetration. He has potential, trundlers do not. Don't write him off. He needs time. Improvements sometimes don't happen so quick in 1 or 2 matches or even first tour of country. He can be dropped for match but not dropped completly.
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Some people are being way too critical. They said the same chit about Yadav, drop him and bring in a trundler. Now look at Yadav. Wickets in both innings, far more potent than any trundler India has ever played in Australia. He got a wicket every 7-8 overs this match, any trundlers with his strike rate in tests? Where are those so critical of pace now? U think trundlers can have Strike rate below 50? It's same with Aaron. He has the ability to do what trundlers cannot. He has pace and hence penetration. He has potential, trundlers do not. Don't write him off. He needs time. Improvements sometimes don't happen so quick in 1 or 2 matches or even first tour of country. He can be dropped for match but not dropped completly. Pace alone can get you one or two wickets at most. Yes, he missed 3-4 wickets in the match through drop catches and other ways, but important thing is he will have to hit the right areas consistently and try to move the ball at pace, short pitch bowling wont get him too many wickets. Pace is important in that aspect, not in terms of bouncing out batsmen. I does not happen every time.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Pace alone can get you one or two wickets at most. Yes' date=' he missed 3-4 wickets in the match through drop catches and other ways, but important thing is he will have to hit the right areas consistently and try to move the ball at pace, short pitch bowling wont get him too many wickets. Pace is important in that aspect, not in terms of bouncing out batsmen. I does not happen every time.[/quote'] Ofcourse Why are there calls to get rid of him though? Yadav was even less accurate before than he is now and he's a much better bet than trundlers in these conditions. And another 3-4 wickets would have made it what 5 or 6 wickets for him in the test...huge difference, maybe more with the extra confidence Plus he was bowling over 145 at the end consistently. Going back to trundlers in Aus a method that has failed over literaly decades is not smart
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Ofcourse Why are there calls to get rid of him though? Yadav was even less accurate before than he is now and he's a much better bet than trundlers in these conditions. And another 3-4 wickets would have made it what 5 or 6 wickets for him in the test. Plus he was bowling over 145 at the end consistently. Yadav always swung he ball more than Aaron. He was decent last time in Aus too. He was erratic too, but had wickets at MCG and WACA. Aaron should have had 5-6 wickets in this match too if chances were taken, but that is how cricket goes. You make you own luck. He didnt because he was not consistent enough. If you are not getting wicket, luck is not your side, at least try to bowl tightly. He goes all out every time he has ball in his hand.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Yadav always swung he ball more than Aaron. He was decent last time in Aus too. He was erratic too' date=' but had wickets at MCG and WACA. Aaron should have had 5-6 wickets in this match too if chances were taken, but that is how cricket goes. You make you own luck. He didnt because he was not consistent enough.[/quote'] Lets say all of Aaron's catches are taken. How many wickets is that in total for match? How many more wickets through extra confidence is that? And also what makes a trundler more likely to take a wicket than Aaron? Forget about economy. He was expensive in tour games too but got lot of wickets. Just cause it didn't happen for 2 tests he should be thrown out completly? :headshake:
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Lets say all of Aaron's catches are taken. How many wickets is that in total for match? How many more wickets through extra confidence is that? And also what makes a trundler more likely to take a wicket than Aaron? Forget about economy. He was expensive in tour games too but got lot of wickets. Just cause it didn't happen for 2 tests he should be thrown out completly? :headshake: If you are not getting wicket, luck is not your side, at least try to bowl tightly. He goes all out every time he has ball in his hand. Need to read that comment from McGrath when he said that bowling is all about line and length. No matter how quick you are, you will still have to bowl good areas.
afan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Naaah...Aaron has to play all 4 Tests. The only change i recommend is Shami to be drafted in place of Rohit and go with 5 bowlers. You are never going win anything if u cant take 20 wkts, isnt it?
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 If you are not getting wicket' date=' luck is not your side, at least try to bowl tightly. He goes all out every time he has ball in his hand. Need to read that comment from McGrath when he said that bowling is all about line and length. No matter how quick you are, you will still have to bowl good areas.[/quote'] Every bowler knows this... But not every one is skilled enough to do so I agree. That doesn't mean he can't improve enough to be decent enough accuracy wise. How much has Aaron even played? Needs more game time but he should be told he is not finished with Indian team. All Im saying is Aaron has the potential to be what trundlers can never be especially in Aus pitches, no matter how much hard work they put in. That's all Im saying. He can be dropped for the test but not taken off the radar completly. Unless India had many other quicks to work with which is not the case :cantstop:
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Naaah...Aaron has to play all 4 Tests. The only change i recommend is Shami to be drafted in place of Rohit and go with 5 bowlers. You are never going win anything if u cant take 20 wkts' date=' isnt it?[/quote'] We almost took 20 in that match. 100 more runs and it was a win. So why weaken batting further? Batting cannot lose more strength. Raina in for Rohit. He is the only reserve middle order bat.
adi B Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Bhuvi won't play in the series so its between Aaron and shami.Aaron was unlucky in the 1st innings but still his line sucks!! He was way too wayward, he'll be dropped for shami
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Bhuvi won't play in the series so its between Aaron and shami.Aaron was unlucky in the 1st innings but still his line sucks!! He was way too wayward' date=' he'll be dropped for shami[/quote'] Agreed Shami for Aaron for boxing day.
afan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 The weakest link in the chain is Rohit Sharma..Strange everyone is gunning for Aaron, am i missing something here:cantstop:
express bowling Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Aaron is a " confidence" bowler. I get the feeling that his control will improve if he knows he will play a full series. Now he is trying too hard ...trying to take a wicket every ball.... in an attempt to cement his place in the side. People are asking for Shami today. But they were asking for Shami to be dropped at the end of the last test. We can't be so fickle. Shami is almost as expensive as Aaron and does not look like taking as many wickets nowadays in tests.
BlueBee Posted December 20, 2014 Author Posted December 20, 2014 The weakest link in the chain is Rohit Sharma..Strange everyone is gunning for Aaron' date=' am i missing something here:cantstop:[/quote'] Aaron is scoring 100 everytime he comes on to bowl
India-KXIP fan Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Aaron is a " confidence" bowler. I get the feeling that his control will improve if he knows he will play a full series. Now he is trying too hard ...trying to take a wicket every ball.... in an attempt to cement his place in the side. People are asking for Shami today. But they were asking for Shami to be dropped at the end of the last test. We can't be so fickle. Shami is almost as expensive as Aaron and does not look like taking as many wickets nowadays in tests. Shami is quick too.
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