A new twist in Vengsarkar versus BCCI saga

[suma25]

BIG QUESTIONS: Was Vengsarkar targeted by corporates, cricket agents and board officials because he dropped Dravid? There seem to be another version of the story coming to surface in the already blown out of proportion BCCI versus Vengsarkar saga. And according to some reports it is said that the Chairman of selectors, Dilip Vengsarkar was being forced to quit because he refused to select Board secretary Niranjan Shah's son Jaydev in the India A team. And although, the Board denies interfering - but admits Jaydev's name was considered. While Vengsarkar is all set to quit after the cricket Board on Monday rejected his plea to change its guidelines, including the ban on writing and speaking to the media. The CNN-IBN has learnt after speaking to both sides that the spat at the top of Indian cricket could throw several uncomfortable questions, answers to which could have far-reaching implications for Indian cricket. And also that there are murmurs in the Board suggesting that Vengsarkar was forced out by corporates, cricket agents and Board officials because he dropped Rahul Dravid. But there are whispers that the muck runs deeper. Sources close to Vengsarkar say that Niranjan Shah asked him to select his son Jaydev Shah for India A's tour of Zimbabwe and Kenya and for the Challenger trophy. Speaking to CNN-IBN East zone selector Ranjib Biswal admitted that Jaydev Shah was indeed discussed. Niranjan Shah, whose differences with the Chairman of selecors are an open secret, was quick to deny the allegations. "He is playing Ranji Trophy, so names can be taken and it does not mean anything. I have nothing to do on this. It is purely a matter of selection committee," defended Niranjan Shah. And even Ranjib Biswal backed the word of the Board secretary who is present at selection meetings as a convenor, saying that Jaydev Shah was among several talented youngsters discussed. "Neither the Board official have asked to drop or select players .Niranjan as the convenor of meeting sits there but never influences us. When in Challengers seniors were rested we had to pick team for A, B, C. So there were quite a few names which were considered. It's very wrong to say that because of Niranjan Shah his name was discussed. He was never picked for the side. Only names were discussed. So if you are selecting 36 names you have to discuss 50 names to get 36. Can the selectors justify discussing Jaydev Shah on the basis of merit? His first class record is far from impressive. 1,468 runs from 32 matches at an average of 28.7 and a strike rate of 57.63 in the same number of matches, he has taken 10 wickets at an average of 50.7. Clearly, beneath the surface of Indian cricket lurks much intrigue. But all said and done, the BCCI confirmed that they will not be bending as per Vengsarkars's demands. The BCCI seems to have run out of patience with Vengsarkar and after months of behind the scenes battles the gloves seem to be off with the Board now talking tough. "Mr Vengsarkar has written a letter to the BCCI President that if the guidelines are not withdrawn, then he would like to step down. The BCCI's position is that those guidelines have been framed well within the constitutional provisions of the BCCI as well as under the well-established rules and regulations. So, there can't be exception for individuals. So, keeping that in mind it is very difficult for the BCCI to withdraw the guidelines. In that case on behalf of the BCCI, I can only say that Mr Vengsarkar is free to take his own decision," BCCI Vice-President Rajiv Shukla said. However, there are indications that Vengsarkar will go to Bangalore to select India's squad for the Australia tour on Wednesday and then make his next move. The seven-point guideline issued by the BCCI is a big bone of contention. They are: 1) The Board wants selectors to watch more domestic matches and Vengsarkar has no objection to it. 2) The selectors are expected not to have any association with player agents. Vengsarkar is opposed to this clause, saying he has had an agent for many years. 3) The selectors have been asked not to sit in the dressing room when a match is on and Vengsarkar finds this unacceptable. 4) The selectors aren't needed on tour as there is a selection committee when India travel overseas. It is another objectionable clause according to the Colonel. 5) No press conference is to be held after a team is selected. This is also not something Vengsarkar is comfortable with. 6) There is a strict ban on writing columns. Vengsarkar finds that difficult to digest and has asked to be compensated for the losses he has suffered. 7) The final guideline says only one selector should watch every international match played in India. Once again Vengsarkar's point of view differs. But BCCI President Sharad Pawar refused to comment on the controversy.

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[zubinpepsi]

oh dear !! what a holy pus.sy this Vengsarkar is..?? care to explain why u chose Arjun Yadav in India A when there are more deserving players than him..

[beetle]

He was working for the people who manage dhoni....can we say he made dhoni the captain becauseof them? It is also being said that Dilip vengsarkar had torn the selected mumbai list because his nephew's name was n't there..... If any of this is true ...then vengcircus should come out in the open and say it and not just go on and on about his articles and his income from tose.......

[fineleg]

Sharad Pawar >> fraud than Niranjan Shah >> fraud than Vengcircus >> Shivlal Yadav >> ... Story of BCCI and other state cricket orgz

[apocalypse]

surprisingly arjun yadav is doing well since sometime :D

[Guest dada_rocks]

His first class record is far from impressive. 1,468 runs from 32 matches at an average of 28.7 and a strike rate of 57.63 in the same number of matches, he has taken 10 wickets at an average of 50.7. Clearly, beneath the surface of Indian cricket lurks much intrigue. Why was his name even discussed; there must be thousand players with better records than this guy

[apocalypse]

I am saying recent performances

[Brainfade]

His first class record is far from impressive. 1,468 runs from 32 matches at an average of 28.7 and a strike rate of 57.63 in the same number of matches, he has taken 10 wickets at an average of 50.7. Clearly, beneath the surface of Indian cricket lurks much intrigue. Why was his name even discussed; there must be thousand players with better records than this guy

Now, if his batting and bowling averages were reversed ....

[beetle]

Veng: Bindra conspiring against me. Vengy:I didn't stop other selectors from watching international matches(in response to the accusation by other selectors that he watched all international matches. Apparently only one selector is supposed to be present.) Vengy: Shah changed meeting dates at his whims ........ Why is this guy making a mountain out of a mole. From this whole episode ...he comes across as an extremely moneyminded person ...

[apocalypse]

looks like a star plus soap

[beetle]

Vengsarkar taken aback by Pawar's remark Harish Kotian in Kolkata | December 04, 2007 10:35 IST There were several factors that contributed to chief selector Dilip Vensgarkar's sudden departure from Kolkata. But what probably hurt him most was being asked by Board of Control for Cricket in India president Sharad Pawar [images] whether he allows the other selectors also to watch international matches. According to Kolkata daily The Telegraph, the chief selector decided the leave the second India-Pakistan Test mid-way after he "felt like dirt". Vengsarkar's letter to Sharad Pawar It further goes on to add that Vengsarkar wrote a lengthy letter to Pawar in which he mentioned the above point. 'Sir, I was taken aback when you mentioned that I do not give opportunity to other selectors to watch the international matches,' he was quoted as writing. The chief selector looks set to miss Wednesday's selection meeting, in Bangalore, to pick the team for the third Test against Pakistan and the all-important Test series in Australia. Vengsarkar has said that unless the Board's guidelines or the code of conduct for selectors are changed, he will not attend the meeting. The former India captain also came down hard on BCCI secretary Niranjan Shah, saying 'Mr Niranjan Shah, even after finalizing the dates for the selection of the teams, changes them as per his whims and fancies� .' Vengsarkar also revealed that BCCI president-elect Shashank Manohar had told him that former Board president I S Bindra is the man behind the tough stand being adopted against the selectors, though he sought to defend Bindra in his letter, saying: 'I think Mr Bindra is not only a responsible official of the BCCI but also a former president of the BCCI.' Vengsarkar has kept his fellow-selectors in the loop on the issue. On Sunday he met East Zone selector Ranjib Biswal, who is in Mumbai to watch the Ranji Trophy Super League encounter between the hosts and Maharashtra. An unruffled BCCI, however, said it is up to Vengsarkar to decide whether he wants to continue as the chief selector and should rather focus on his job rather than worry about personal issues. "He (Vengsarkar) wants to step down. He had spoken to BCCI president Sharad Pawar and expressed willingness to do so," BCCI vice-president Shukla said. "There are certain issues on which he has got a different point of view, like the guidelines which have been issued about not writing columns and about the selectors going to watch the matches," Shukla said. These guidelines are part of the BCCI constitution and they cannot be changed and Vengsarkar is free to quit, he added. Meanwhile, former chief selector Chandu Borde [images] has been tipped as successor to Vengsarkar. Borde, who had two stints as chairman of the selection committee in the past, was reluctant to comment on the development, saying he has not yet been sounded out by the board. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For a guy who treats others like **** ...this guy is acting pretty sensitive!Mr big fat ego.

[Ram]

Isnt this getting a little too childish ? :banghead:

[Chandan]

The former India captain also came down hard on BCCI secretary Niranjan Shah, saying 'Mr Niranjan Shah, even after finalizing the dates for the selection of the teams, changes them as per his whims and fancies� .'

I agree with here. Why should there be no rules and guidelines for BCCI officials too? Why are they allowed to do whatever they please while present and former cricketers who are serving Indian cricket in different capacities are tied in knots??

[beetle]

Now another twist........Apparently BCCIplanning to go softon vengy. Trying to get him to join the selection meeting.:angry_smile: Chandan...the word in the media is thatthe other selectors wanted the change.

[Chandan]

Chandan...the word in the media is thatthe other selectors wanted the change

Wow! sensational news here. You mean other 4 selectors did not want Vengsarkar as their chairman? And I just hope that BCCI doesn't withdraw its guidelines!

[beetle]

No chandan.....two of them wantedchange of date....(names notmentione):D

[beetle]

BCCI climbs down, wants Vengsarkar to continue New Delhi, Dec 4 (PTI) In a sudden turn of events, the BCCI today climbed down in its standoff with chief selector Dilip Vengsarkar, saying it would go into his "legitimate" demands for compensation for not writing columns. In an apparent bid to effect a truce, BCCI president Sharad Pawar said he wanted Vengsarkar, who had demanded relaxation of the stiff guidelines that barred selectors from writing columns or adequate compensation for the ban, to continue in the post. In an unscheduled press conference, Pawar announced that a Working Committee meeting has been convened on December 16 in Mumbai to look into the chief selector's "legitimate" demands for compensation. Expressing hopes that the miffed chief selector -- sulking after asked to comply with the Board's seven-point guideline and stop writing columns -- would continue in the post, Pawar said Vengsarkar's demand for compensation was a "legitimate" one. Vengsarkar had also set a deadline of today for a reply from the BCCI on his demands and the Board had earlier said he was free to quit. Vengsarkar had claimed Rs 40 lakh as compensation from the Board, which BCCI had initially rejected. Pawar, however, admitted that the amount was quite a big one and he also conceded that the selectors need to be paid. "We don't have paid selectors, like some other countries have. But selectors need to travel a lot and watch number of matches. And Vengsarkar said he would incur a loss of Rs 40 lakhs, which is not a small amount. So we have to decide how to compensate the loss." PTI