G_B_ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I respect Bose for his stance for India. But prefer the methods of Gandhi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Kalaingar TV.. The guest is from IUML :giggle: this is like the DMK mouth piece right? IUML is part of their alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I respect Bose for his stance for India. But prefer the methods of Gandhi. The methods of Gandhi didn't work. Thats the biggest hoax of Indian independence story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 My point was: what sort of a man would Vivekananda be perceived as were he to be born today? The quotes I have put forth are only a sample of what he actually said and would be considered blasphemy in todays day and age by our secular media. Vivekaknanda would be more Modi and less (anything remotely ) Congress/Left. On the topic of RSS, it is nothing but a punching bag for anybody who wants to take a swipe at Modi. You know that i despise RSS but have not criticized Modi that much. You are correct in one aspect- Vivekananda today would've been perceived as a right-wing hindu fanatic, though his social outlook and policies were very left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So you are in favor of "ghar vapasi" as well ? I mean Swamiji was a strong supporter of that . So no issues with Mohan Bhagwat saying that right ? Also sample this: "If India embraces a foreign religion, the Indian civilisation will be destroyed. For whoever goes out of the Hindu religion is not only lost to us but also we have in him one more enemy." Who said those words? Imagine if somebody said that today.Do you think the media would be quiet about this? If christians and muslims are free to covert people, then hindus are allowed to accept people who willingly come back to hinduism. I don't have any issues with that. What do think the rss and its cheerleaders would say about someone who had this to say on hinduism? They would very likely call him sickular and shut him down. A country where a million or two sadhus and a hundred million or so of Brahmins suck the blood out of these poor people, without even the least effort for their amelioration - is that a country or a hell? Is that a religion or a devil's dance? "The whole world looks down with contempt upon the 300 millions of earthworms crawling upon the fair soil of India and trying to oppress each other." no religion on earth treads upon the necks of the poor and low in such a fashion as Hinduism Yes he may have criticized islam and christianity more for violent conversions, but you cannot equate what he said all those years ago to what the rss and its affiliates say currently when hindus hold all the power. Just because he wanted hindus to be strong, proud and vigilant doesn't mean he wanted to oppress everyone else. You are twisting his intentions if you equate his words to what the rss wants to do today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 If christians and muslims are free to covert people, then hindus are allowed to accept people who willingly come back to hinduism. I don't have any issues with that. What do think the rss and its cheerleaders would say about someone who had this to say on hinduism? They would very likely call him sickular and shut him down. Yes he may have criticized islam and christianity more for violent conversions, but you cannot equate what he said all those years ago to what the rss and its affiliates say currently when hindus hold all the power. Just because he wanted hindus to be strong, proud and vigilant doesn't mean he wanted to oppress everyone else. You are twisting his intentions if you equate his words to what the rss wants to do today. You haven't answered my question about how he would he perceived as.You would be contradicting yourself if you said he would be perceived as secular after all those statements by him . And what persecution are we talking about here? The last I heard , everyone from John Dayal to Simon Sharma are having a free run to shoot their mouths off and try their best to stop development and harmony. The narrative has changed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 You haven't answered my question about how he would he perceived as.You would be contradicting yourself if you said he would be perceived as secular after all those statements by him . And what persecution are we talking about here? The last I heard , everyone from John Dayal to Simon Sharma are having a free run to shoot their mouths off and try their best to stop development and harmony. The narrative has changed now. I said he wouldn't be perceived as a chaddi, just because he criticized the violent aspect of islam and christianity. I am talking about the intent that is betrayed by their regular statements and their past actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I said he wouldn't be perceived as a chaddi' date=' just because he criticized the violent aspect of islam and christianity. I am talking about the intent that is betrayed by their regular statements and their past actions.[/quote'] Keep fooling yourself then. Bhagwat has said far lesser things and been hauled by media. Perhaps it's best you limit yourself to Kangressi history books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Keep fooling yourself then. Bhagwat has said far lesser things and been hauled by media. Perhaps it's best you limit yourself to Kangressi history books. Yes bhagwat is the right person to compare vivekananda to :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yes bhagwat is the right person to compare vivekananda to :two_thumbs_up: Are you acting dumb? the comparison was about media criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Are you acting dumb? the comparison was about media criticism Don't criticize his acting skills.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Was Gumnami Baba actually Netaji hemself? It's one of the greatest mysteries of modern India: Was Gumnami Baba, also known as the ascetic of UP's Faizabad, actually Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose? Subhro Niyogi, Saikat Ray and a team of reporters track down some people who actually interacted with him and are convinced that it was none other than the charismatic leader himself, living under an assumed identity. Read on to find out what they have to say A moment that lasted a fraction of a second 33 years ago is etched so vividly in Surajit Dasgupta's memory that a mere recollection triggers a myriad emotions. Dasgupta's facial muscles twitch, lips quiver and eyes turn misty as he strives to utter something, stutters and then gives up. After several minutes of internal strife, Dasgupta composes himself. "He was seated before me like every day when I had an urge to see him. I stole a glance and was so dazzled by the glow that emanated from within that I had to immediately lower my gaze. It is a sight I will never forget," he mumbles. The "he" Dasgupta refers to was Bhagwanji, an ascetic in Faizabad, UP, who very few "knew" to be Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. Here was the man who had been pronounced dead 37 years ago, a death millions refused to believe. Many felt he would return to India one day to finally solve one of the most baffling mysteries of modern times. And there he was! "Netaji's associate and our guru, Sunil Gupta, had been visiting Bhagwanji for two decades. In the initial years, it was very secretive. He wouldn't disclose where he was going. All that we knew was that he had some very important mission. Later, he cryptically said: 'Contact has been established'. I knew at once he was referring to Netaji. I was thrilled. In the years that followed, I would accompany Gupta till the station as he took a train twice a year to travel to Neemsar and later Faizabad, once during Durga Puja and again on January 23, Netaji's birthday. It was much later, in 1982, that Gupta decided it was finally time we could be let into the exclusive circle, and we travelled to Faizabad to meet Bhagwanji," Dasgupta recalls. Netaji's portrait (L) and sketch of Gumnami Baba. It was Netaji's elder brother, Suresh Chandra Bose, who had tasked Gupta with exploring every news and rumour that surfaced on Netaji's return to India. Gupta faithfully went to Shaulmari and other places where it was rumoured Netaji had returned in the guise of an ascetic. He was disappointed on each occasion, till he finally met Bhagwanji at Neemsar in 1962. A few ground rules were laid before Dasgupta's first meeting; the most important being not to look at Bhagwanji. He generally communicated with a short curtain drawn between him and the visitors that hid his face. That is how Dasgupta met him as well. "We would go to his house every day, have breakfast and then go to shop for the day's meals. While Saraswati Devi would cook, we would discuss world politics. After lunch, it could be about theology, music, even metaphysics. Sometimes, the discussions went on till the wee hours next morning. We would sit transfixed, listen with rapt attention and take down notes. He predicted the disintegration of USSR that was unthinkable then, talked about the mess in the Vietnam War. He even remarked that communism would die in the place of its birth. During the Bangladesh Liberation War, he followed the developments keenly and we believe he even passed on strategic instructions that helped decide the war," Dasgupta says. After the first two-three days, Bhagwanji trusted that the youths would follow the rules, and stopped drawing the curtain. It was on one of these days Dasgupta was seized by the irresistible desire to steal a glance at the person hero-worshipped across Bengal. And what a sight it was! "There was no mistaking it was Netaji. His hair had thinned, much more than what we were used to seeing in his photographs. He had a flowing beard. But the features were exactly the same. Only, he had aged. The eyes were so powerful I had to turn away immediately. I realized then that the patriot our parents and we had worshipped since we were kids had reached a higher plane of existence. He had become a mahatma," he recalls. Rita Banerjee of Faizabad, too, refers to a "bright light" emanating from Bhagwanji. "The aura was so intense that I could not establish eye contact with him," says Rita, whom Bhagwanji called "Phoolwa Rani" and her husband "Bachha". Gyani Gurjeet Singh Khalsa, the chief priest of Gurdwara Brahamakund Sahib that overlooks the raging Saryu river, recounts a similar experience when he saw Bhagwanji face-to-face. "I was a 17-year-old when I saw him. The radiance on his face was astounding. It cannot be explained in words," he recounts. Dasgupta, who is now 64, and some others who are convinced that Bhagwanji was Netaji, are waging a silent legal battle against the Indian government to extract the truth and discredit a lie they claim has been propagated for seven decades. In later years, Bhagwanji talked about the escape to USSR via Diren in Manchuria after a "concocted air crash". He talked vividly about how prison camps functioned in Siberia. Dasgupta is among the very few alive to have met Bhagwanji. Bijoy Nag, a former auditor at a private firm, is another. Though he never looked at Bhagwanji, he can recall each meeting with amazing clarity. "On my first visit, I touched his feet while he remained behind a curtain. Blessing me, he said: 'Your dream is now a reality'. I was 31 and thrilled," recalls Nag, now 76. In all, he had met the ascetic 14 times between 1970 and 1985, and each meeting was memorable. Most of Dasgupta's visits were when the ascetic was living in Purani Bustee. But it was at Brahma Kund (Ayodhya) where Bhagwanji stayed for a few months between 1975 and 1976 that Nag was in closest proximity with him. "I stayed in the room next to his. I could have looked at him any time if I wished because by then, the curtain had been drawn. He had only instructed us not to look at him and we didn't disobey him," says Nag, who had on Bhagwanji's request collected and delivered photographs of Netaji's mother, father and school teacher. More stoic than Dasgupta, Nag is in control of his emotions but there is no mistaking the glimmer in his eyes when the subject is discussed. "Though I didn't look at him, I don't have an iota of doubt it was Netaji speaking to me. It is an unshakeable truth," he says with such definitiveness that one realizes it is backed by absolute conviction. It was because of his aunt Lila Roy — who had been in constant touch with Netaji between 1922 and January 1941 — that Nag got the opportunity to meet Bhagwanji. It was INA secret service agent Pabitra Mohan Roy who told Lila about Bhagwanji in December 1962 after another Netaji associate, Atul Sen, broke the news on his return from Neemsar. His meeting Bhagwanji had been sheer providence. Sen, who had contested the legislative seat from Dhaka in the 1930s on Netaji's insistence and won, was in 1962 travelling to various places in UP on "change" on doctor's advice. In April, he reached Neemsar, a pilgrimage site near Lucknow. It is here that he heard from locals about a Bengali mahatma who lived in an abandoned Shiva temple. Sen's curiosity was piqued and went to meet the ascetic. He finally met him after several attempts — and instantly knew it was Netaji. Over the next few days, he met Bhagwanji many times. An ecstatic but cautious Atul Sen returned to Kolkata in 1962 and disclosed the news to Pabitra Mohan Roy and historian RC Majumdar. Sen also wrote to PM Jawaharlal Nehru on August 28, 1962. "Netaji is alive and is engaged in spiritual practice somewhere in India... From the talks I had with him, I could understand that he is yet regarded as enemy No. 1 of Allied powers and that there is a secret protocol that binds the Indian government to deliver him to Allied 'justice' if found alive. If you can assure me otherwise, I may try to persuade him to return to open life," he wrote. In the reply dated August 31, 1962, Nehru denied the existence of any such protocol. Lila, meanwhile, resolved to serve Bhagwanji till her last day. From 1963 till her death in 1970, she would send money and sundry items to him every month through emissaries. Bhagwanji was fond of typical Bengali dishes like ghonto, sukto and keema. During his birthday celebrations, a closed-door affair with some family members and close acquaintances, delicacies served included mishti doi and khejur gur payesh. It wasn't just people from Bengal who were meeting Bhagwanji. From December 1954 to April 1957, UP CMs Sampurnanand and Benarasi Dasgupta were in constant touch with Bhagwanji. Their letters as well as those from former railway minister Ghani Khan Chowdhury and other important leaders were found in Bhagwanji's belongings that are now in Faizabad Treasury. (With additional reporting from Faizabad by Arunav Sinha) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Was-Gumnami-Baba-actually-Netaji-hemself/articleshow/48850772.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ^Anuj Dhar's book on Netaji is a must read to know more about Gumnami Baba. He definitely was Subhash Chandra Bose though the mystery as to why he did not reveal himself for nearly 40 years after his supposed 'death' in the plane crash will probably never be revealed even if the govt declassifies all the relevant files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ^Anuj Dhar's book on Netaji is a must read to know more about Gumnami Baba. He definitely was Subhash Chandra Bose though the mystery as to why he did not reveal himself for nearly 40 years after his supposed 'death' in the plane crash will probably never be revealed even if the govt declassifies all the relevant files. He couldnt reveal himself due to Indias treaty obligations.Netaji till today is listed as a Nazi War Criminal. Search Tashkent Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger80 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 He couldnt reveal himself due to Indias treaty obligations.Netaji till today is listed as a Nazi War Criminal. Search Tashkent Man Few Nazi's even served in west german govt. If indians are so coward then nothing can be done. hardly any war crime Netaji committed then why to fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 He couldnt reveal himself due to Indias treaty obligations.Netaji till today is listed as a Nazi War Criminal. Search Tashkent Man Nehru said that Netaji's name was not on any such list and there were no treaty obligations. I know it is difficult to believe in Nehru on this matter but I don't think he would have lied openly about Netaji being a war criminal etc. Besides, LB Shastri and Morarji Desai also became PM while Gumnami Baba was alive - what reason could they have had to accept any such treaty obligations, if there were any, or to keep Netaji hidden? It is definitely more than mere treaty obligations IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Nehru said that Netaji's name was not on any such list and there were no treaty obligations. I know it is difficult to believe in Nehru on this matter but I don't think he would have lied openly about Netaji being a war criminal etc. Besides, LB Shastri and Morarji Desai also became PM while Gumnami Baba was alive - what reason could they have had to accept any such treaty obligations, if there were any, or to keep Netaji hidden? It is definitely more than mere treaty obligations IMO. Read about what LB Shastris son said regarding his last convo with his father on phone from Tashkent.Few hrs after that Shastriji was dead. Google Tashkent Man. Let me know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Read about what LB Shastris son said regarding his last convo with his father on phone from Tashkent.Few hrs after that Shastriji was dead. Google Tashkent Man. Let me know what you think. An hour before his death he had called his family and asked for the opposition's reaction to Tashkent....when informed that opposition was not happy, he said that he would reveal something that would shift the attention of the entire country from this issue. What was that 'something' nobody knows....though there are rumors that it had something to do with Bose bcoz Shastri wanted another inquiry into the air crash and also because maybe he discovered something in Russia. But nothing has been confirmed till date and all govts since then have refused to declassify the files of his death as well so this is another mystery which will remain for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 An hour before his death he had called his family and asked for the opposition's reaction to Tashkent....when informed that opposition was not happy' date=' he said that he would reveal something that would shift the attention of the entire country from this issue. What was that 'something' nobody knows....though there are rumors that it had something to do with Bose bcoz Shastri wanted another inquiry into the air crash and also because maybe he discovered something in Russia. But nothing has been confirmed till date and all govts since then have refused to declassify the files of his death as well so this is another mystery which will remain for long.[/quote'] You still havent googled Tashkent man. Also you havent googled what Shastrji's son said few years ago about what his father had said in that phone convo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 You still havent googled Tashkent man. Also you havent googled what Shastrji's son said few years ago about what his father had said in that phone convo. Just give a link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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