Crookbond Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The parties concerned know that going in and must accept the risks and consequences' date=' no?[/quote'] The comment seems to imply that both parties should use birth control as a panacea and it works 100%. My response was to put in the cases where both parties use the BEST possible birth control but still end up with a case not in their favor.
moniker Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Based on my training in molecular genetics, I respectfully disagree with that part of the article. Over the years, I have posted the reasons numerous times on this board. But, for argument's sake, let's grant that abortion is not killing. So, why should gender-selective pregnancy terminations be criminal, but not other elective terminations? What if it is the mother's choice to terminate because she does not want to carry a female fetus? Her body, her choice, her reasons. Please note that we are taking rape, incest, mother's health and fetus health off the table. We all agree that such abortions are unavoidable. The only point of contention is other abortions. Gender-selective abortions are criminal not because they are considered as murder, but because the practise is discriminatory, supports the sustenance of other such gender-discriminatory practises in the society and also dilutes the efforts of the government to prevent such practises from being carried out in the society. Female foeticide contradicts women empowerment and supports social evils, so it's no surprise that it trumps the pregnant woman's choice. You don't have such deep ramifications from an elective abortion.
Tiger80 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Gender-selective abortions are criminal not because they are considered as murder, but because the practise is discriminatory, supports the sustenance of other such gender-discriminatory practises in the society and also dilutes the efforts of the government to prevent such practises from being carried out in the society. Female foeticide contradicts women empowerment and supports social evils, so it's no surprise that it trumps the pregnant woman's choice. You don't have such deep ramifications from an elective abortion. Western feminists don't agree with it. They clearly believe that choice is choice Banning sex-selective abortion is a betrayal of women For Fiona Bruce MP to use feminism as a guise to criminalise abortion isn't just wrong, it's offensive http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11429625/Banning-sex-selective-abortion-is-a-betrayal-of-women.html
mishra Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 To me, Right to Abortion is similar to right to kill. Its just that you are killing your own. So dont agree with west. And this belief has nothing to do with religion
beetle Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Based on my training in molecular genetics, I respectfully disagree with that part of the article. Over the years, I have posted the reasons numerous times on this board. But, for argument's sake, let's grant that abortion is not killing. So, why should gender-selective pregnancy terminations be criminal, but not other elective terminations? What if it is the mother's choice to terminate because she does not want to carry a female fetus? Her body, her choice, her reasons. Please note that we are taking rape, incest, mother's health and fetus health off the table. We all agree that such abortions are unavoidable. The only point of contention is other abortions. You think that is a good enough reason to kill?.....like rape ,mother's health etc. Besides it is punishable by law for a reason...like killing endangered animals is punishable by law. There is a reason why these laws have been made.
Book_Worm Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 There is some truth to her article. India has changed a lot more and more women at workplace, travelling alone at night, travelling alone outside of india etc. I know i myself am one of those women. But she needs to understand that Indian women are going through what american and other western women have gone thru in the past. it was'nt easy for them and it won't be easy for us. In the past american women faced sexual harrasment, Rapes and other dangers when travelling alone at night from work all this is well documented. Heard of pepper Spray!! It took time for them to come to this level of safety. And still there are rapes stalkers molestation in schools and something known as date rape. India is definitely unsafe for women yes but still millions of women live in india safely and call it their home. When i came to live in india i was pregnant too and i did not know the sex of the child either and i would have stayed even if my child was daughter. She did her research on internet if she had done same internet research on america she would be terrified to live there heck she would be terrified to send her child to school cause some kid would shoot the teacher and other kids or her daughter would have been sexually abused by her class teacher or she would be a victim of racial abuse or bullying or there is a chance of date rape. All countries have their own unique set of problems when it comes to women. If she listens to some christian Evangelist views on women they will be the same as that horrible lawyer. The difference between india and other western countries is that there is sensitivity towards the rape victim and she is treated with dignity by the police etc. yet u will still find many cases in USA where the rape victim's past promiscuity etc are bought into discussion by the lawyers in the court and also so many college students don't report the crime because they have been out alone with guy etc. I would have taken her seriously if she had currently lived in india for atleast 6 months at a stretch and had some unpleasant experience. Yes India is unsafe for women but this article is written just with the intention to jump on the bandwagon of what sells today and that's all.
moniker Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Western feminists don't agree with it. They clearly believe that choice is choice That article is specifically about a christian politician. She's apparently using feminism as a guise to ban abortion, that's what is being considered offensive by the writer, not the sex-selective abortion itself.
Tiger80 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 That article is specifically about a christian politician. She's apparently using feminism as a guise to ban abortion' date=' that's what is being considered offensive by the writer, not the sex-selective abortion itself.[/quote'] It is not one article you can search net and will find little support for banning sex selective abortion also the bill in UK was to criminalise sex selective abortion not banning all abortion and it was defeated
Brainfade Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Pro-Life vs Pro-choice debate. Pro-choice doesn't mean one wants to kill a baby. There are various opinions, theories about when does life begin in a foetus. In adverse cases of pregnancy, like rape and incest, abortion can be elective, if it is done within the min time among various opinions about when life begins. Because even if the baby gets to live, it would be the worst kind of life that no one wishes for anybody. As a parent, one gets to decide the wellbeing of their children. Now, pro-lifers talk about adoption and foster care. It is not a solution as there are worst experiences that child goes through in these choices that government or establishments make. Other than these, any kind of abortion should not be allowed. I have known people who accidently get pregnant and decide to get aborted, just because they didn't mean to get,or didn't plan it. Kiya hain tho nibhao. Careless people. See how I am defining elective abortion and you will see that you and I agree 100%. (Definition of elective abortion: Any termination of pregnancy for reasons other than rape, incest, health of mother or health of fetus.)
Brainfade Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Gender-selective abortions are criminal not because they are considered as murder, but because the practise is discriminatory, supports the sustenance of other such gender-discriminatory practises in the society and also dilutes the efforts of the government to prevent such practises from being carried out in the society. Female foeticide contradicts women empowerment and supports social evils, so it's no surprise that it trumps the pregnant woman's choice. You don't have such deep ramifications from an elective abortion. How do you legislate intent? You would let a woman walk if she claims that she elected foeticide because it was interfering with her career or ability to work in the farm, but in reality it was because she did not want to carry a female child? But turn around and prosecute the woman who confessed her intent? The State is barking up the wrong tree. You tackle women's dis-empowerment and other social evils by attacking root causes and actual crimes against the female victims. As for female feticide, you solve the problem by simply abolishing all elective abortions (excluding rape, incest, health of mother, health of fetus).
moniker Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 How do you legislate intent? You would let a woman walk if she claims that she elected foeticide because it was interfering with her career or ability to work in the farm, but in reality it was because she did not want to carry a female child? But turn around and prosecute the woman who confessed her intent? The State is barking up the wrong tree. You tackle women's dis-empowerment and other social evils by attacking root causes and actual crimes against the female victims. As for female feticide, you solve the problem by simply abolishing all elective abortions (excluding rape, incest, health of mother, health of fetus). I like what is being done today - Making sex determination of the foetus illegal. Though the actual implementation of the law in India has been *****y. That also makes elective abortions easier and provides transparency behind the reasons for exercising the choice. Also there probably are state initiated programmes that tackle the root of the problem. They just aren't implemented properly.
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