zen Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If it wasnt bollywood gender thing, It will be Madhubala, any day any movie. She has inspired so many actresess. A lot of actresses still want to imitate her feet. why? How? Just because he is a successful actor from classical generation? The only person being biased is you towards your love of oldies. Aamir Khan, however young he may be, is better actor, is equally inspiring to a generation of actors, and has done more towards Indian society then divisive DK. Agree with your opinion on Madhubala .... However that does not discount Dilip Kumar's contributions Read the next line to the one you highlighted and the answer is there .... Also read Sachin=God's posts Lol, I am an Aamir Khan fan but he appears more like a TV actor in front of the legends such as Dilip, Raj and Dev. In fact, Aamir too wants Dilip Kumar to get BR - Link Anyways, I know your theme - Dilip Kumar is ordinary, can be outdone, and does not deserve BR (Nishan-e-Pakistan is enough for him), so there is no point in repeating those. If you have anything outside of these points, let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Using this thread to also celebrate Dilip Kumar's performances buMxEJjth8A ^ In Aan, kidnaps the princess and makes her work like others (taming of the shrew) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 In the spirit of some hilarious arguments and theories proposed against Dilip Kumar, here is another reason why Dilip Sahab should get the BR - He can draw the map of Ind with bullets: sb68vKj84eY :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Agree with your opinion on Madhubala .... However that does not discount Dilip Kumar's contributions Read the next line to the one you highlighted and the answer is there .... Also read Sachin=God's posts Lol, I am an Aamir Khan fan but he appears more like a TV actor in front of the legends such as Dilip, Raj and Dev. In fact, Aamir too wants Dilip Kumar to get BR - Link Anyways, I know your theme - Dilip Kumar is ordinary, can be outdone, and does not deserve BR (Nishan-e-Pakistan is enough for him), so there is no point in repeating those. If you have anything outside of these points, let me know Sachin has been answered by Ragahv. I do not need to interfere there. However for acting aspects of DK, I gave examples and explanations for my statements that DK isnt good enough. For the bolded part, . Ask any icfer who watches bollywood and will agree that Aamir is either best or among top 3 Bollywood actors of this generation and You mean to say whole of Bollywood is now as good as tv actors :clap: Couple of posts earlier i made a observation that your knowledge about bollywood and actors is absolute Zero if there wasnt google uncle. Read the story google uncle gave you. It started with Chewyt1ya Mahesh Bhatt who is very political person too, and survives on hollywood copies and soft porns. Infact he hired a porn actress. He made his daughter the face of Indian youth and then a joke. Everything failed. His judgment, statement and motives are always questionable. So effectively, Its ususal garbage coming out of person in position. It remains garbage. Now find out how many campaigns were done by Bollywood before Lata was awarded Bharat Ratna who you think shouldnt be given before DK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Sachin has been answered by Ragahv. I do not need to interfere there. However for acting aspects of DK, I gave examples and explanations. For the bolded part, . Ask any icfer who watches bollywood and will agree that Aamir is either best or among top 3 Bollywood actors of this generation and You mean to say whole of Bollywood is now as good as tv actors :clap: Couple of posts earlier i told that your knowledge about bollywood movies and actors is absolute Zero if there wasnt google uncle. Read the story google uncle gave you. It started with Chewyt1ya Mahesh Bhatt who is very political persson too, and survives on hollywood copies and soft porns. Infact he hired a porn actress. He made his daughter the face of Indian youth. His judgment, statement and motives are always questionable. So effectively, Its ususal garbage coming out of person in position. It remains garbage. Now find out how many campaigns were done by Bollywood before Lata was awarded Bharat Ratna who you think shouldnt be given before DK People from outside Bollywood might think of Mahesh Bhatt as a fool but within the industry he is considered as one of the most intelligent persons and one of the best directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 People from outside Bollywood might think of Mahesh Bhatt as a fool but within the industry he is considered as one of the most intelligent persons and one of the best directors. It isnt about his capabilities as director or intelligence. It was about motives. He always sounds a very political guy. As a director, recently he seems to have run out of ideas and mostly relying on soft porns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Sachin has been answered by Ragahv. I do not need to interfere there. However for acting aspects of DK, I gave examples and explanations for my statements that DK isnt good enough. For the bolded part, . Ask any icfer who watches bollywood and will agree that Aamir is either best or among top 3 Bollywood actors of this generation and You mean to say whole of Bollywood is now as good as tv actors :clap: Couple of posts earlier i made a observation that your knowledge about bollywood and actors is absolute Zero if there wasnt google uncle. Read the story google uncle gave you. It started with Chewyt1ya Mahesh Bhatt who is very political person too, and survives on hollywood copies and soft porns. Infact he hired a porn actress. He made his daughter the face of Indian youth and then a joke. Everything failed. His judgment, statement and motives are always questionable. So effectively, Its ususal garbage coming out of person in position. It remains garbage. Now find out how many campaigns were done by Bollywood before Lata was awarded Bharat Ratna who you think shouldnt be given before DK You are discussing this in circles Whatever your personal opinion may be, DK is considered as an institution by many including the people in the industry Agree that Aamir is amongst the top actors of his generation (his generation - SRK, Salman, Akshay, etc.) However, relative to the 3 legends I mentioned, the likes of AK are like TV actors in comparison Ok, so now Bhatt is whatever for you because he supports Dilip Saab ... People supporting Bhatt include Aamir Khan, Kamal Haasan, Yash Chopra, Mamooty, Rakesh Roshan, Subhash Ghai, Chiranjeevi, Ramesh Sippy, Mukesh Bhatt among others :P Where did I say that Lata should not have been given the BR? I said that if it is given to Dilip Kumar, he is a deserving choice for the reasons already mentioned In the past Bharat Ratna awards has been given to the following from the film/music fraternity: * Satyajit Ray * Lata Mangeshkar * Bismillah Khan * M S Subbulakshmi * Ravi Shankar * Bhimsen Joshi Can someone tell me what contributions have these individuals made to the country apart from being amongst the top in their domains and influencing others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 ^ You mix maestroes who keep alive indian music and culture with Bollywood. :wall: You are discussing this in circles Check icf to find out how many times you have used above argument in context to any discussion with any one on any topic. :agree: Agree that Aamir is amongst the top actors of his generation (his generation - SRK, Salman, Akshay, etc.) However, relative to the 3 legends I mentioned, the likes of AK are like TV actors in comparison Check this thread to find out how many times you have used this brahmastra in context to this discussion. :asleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 ^ You mix maestroes who keep alive indian music and culture with Bollywood. :wall: Is Bollywood not a representative of Ind's culture? :hmmmm: .... And not everyone on that list is a maestro :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Is Bollywood not a representative of Ind's culture? :hmmmm: .... And not everyone on that list is a maestro :P Ok thanks for understanding that Ustad Bismillah Khan is different league then A R Rehman . Satyajit Ray got special oscars for making regional films and he didn't cared about the award. He dedicated his life towards making art films while he could have easily made money and fame in Bollywood. while DK Boss got Neishan-e-Whatever and he isnt ready to part with it no matter what. And you compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Ok thanks for understanding that Ustad Bismillah Khan is different league then A R Rehman . Satyajit Ray got special oscars for making regional films and he didn't cared about the award. He dedicated his life towards making art films while he could have easily made money and fame in Bollywood. while DK Boss got Neishan-e-Whatever and he isnt ready to part with it no matter what. And you compare the two. In case you forgot ----> Mugal-e-Azam is Bollywood, so are Ganga Jamuna, Naya Daur, Madhumati, etc. :cantstop: Your biggest gripe against Dilip Saab appears to be "Nishan-e-Pakistan" .... Yaar, give him the benefit of doubt as he was born in an era (1922) when there was no Pakistan. Being born in Peshawar, he may have a soft spot for that area (many people do) .... Let's not forget that he chose India On him accepting "Nishan-e-Pakistan", it was mainly Shiv Sena that objected to it (politics?). Dilip Kumar did consult with Ind's PM (Atalji) who advised him to retain it. So that closes the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ^^ How many National Awards did the great Dilip Kumar win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Ok thanks for understanding that Ustad Bismillah Khan is different league then A R Rehman . Satyajit Ray got special oscars for making regional films and he didn't cared about the award. He dedicated his life towards making art films while he could have easily made money and fame in Bollywood. while DK Boss got Neishan-e-Whatever and he isnt ready to part with it no matter what. And you compare the two. Why did you keep bringing this stupidity? Did you object when Modi called Nawaz Sharif, under whom Pakistan keeps killing Indian Soldiers and keeps hiding mumbai attackers, to wish Ramzan? Do you think such niceties should be extended by Modi to head of Pakistan? Sorry to bring politics in here but you constant reference to Nishan-e-Pakistan is puerile and non-sensical. Anybody's candidature for Bharat Ratna is not determined or "detrimented" with Nishan-e-Pakistan or Nishan-e-afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasualVisitor Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ^^ How many National Awards did the great Dilip Kumar win? National Film awards started in 1953, Dillip saab was 31 by then. Also, first actor to get National Film Award was Uttam Kumar in 1967 (DK was 45 by then). Looks like actors were not considered for National Awards pre 1967 era, by when DK was past his prime. Earlier National Awards were mostly given to best films, best directors etc. Neither Dev Anand nor RK has received National Award for the Best Actor (rightly so, I think). For that matter not even Motilal or Balaraj Sahani (great actors, in the league of Dillip saab in my opinion) has received one. One has to judge Dillip Kumar by the sheer impact he had on actors to come and his colossal acting talent which was way ahead of his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Why did you keep bringing this stupidity? Did you object when Modi called Nawaz Sharif, under whom Pakistan keeps killing Indian Soldiers and keeps hiding mumbai attackers, to wish Ramzan? Do you think such niceties should be extended by Modi to head of Pakistan? Sorry to bring politics in here but you constant reference to Nishan-e-Pakistan is puerile and non-sensical. Anybody's candidature for Bharat Ratna is not determined or "detrimented" with Nishan-e-Pakistan or Nishan-e-afghanistan. Yes, why support, democracy when Kejri think Caliphate i.e. Sharia should be implement, Nuff political statements. You can discuss this in political section. Coming back to DK. Why should not I, a common man, have issue with a fellow Indian who is role model, holding onto highest civilian award from Pakistan, while immediate aftermath is Kargil and then Mumbai where thousands of Common men like me has been killed by Pakistan, hence, why shouldn't I oppose highest civilian award given to him? Why shouldnt I connect more to Freroz Khan, who openly mentioned the discontent of fellow Indian citizens while on a trip to pakistan (offcourse sickular media avoided the story, so you may have missed it)? PS: DK is one The Greatest actors Bollywood have ever produced. And he has been rewarded for that. Also I am not saying Feroz Khan be given Bharat Ratna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ^ This is what so called drunk Feroz Khan told to Paki media. Feroz Khan apparently said at the function: "India is a secular country, Muslims there are making a lot of progress. Our President is a Muslim, the PM a Sikh. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam, but look how Muslims are killing each other.” Offcourse later he told he will break the face of the anchorman unless he apologises to Manisha :phehehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Dilip Kumar got Pakistan's highest honor so he doesn't deserve India's highest honor - probably of the most illogical arguments I've seen on ICF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Dilip Kumar got Pakistan's highest honor so he doesn't deserve India's highest honor - probably of the most illogical arguments I've seen on ICF. Issue is Pakistan killing us and our role model holding onto the award. Role models have duty to be politically correct and sensitive to fellow, not worth 1p life citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Dilip Kumar is in his 90s and in the last stages of his life. The other two legends - Raj and Dev are no longer with us. Let's not use words against such living legends that we may have to regret later on. In the spirit of celebrating Dilip Kumar's films: JxaihidQExA What a movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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