Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Most NATO countries ledby US have supported India's bid to enter NSG.Russia also has supported India's entry into NSG. While South Africa,Austria,Ireland and NewZealand have some reservations,latest reports are that they have soften their stance. China and Turkey are the ones opposing India,they want Pakistan to be given membership along with India. Discuss tweaker 1
chewy Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Lol, Pakistan will never gain entry based on AQ Khan first stealing enrichment blueprints from his time as researcher in Holland and then latter involved in illegal nuclear profileration, of course with full backing of Pak Army and Gov
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 Lol, Pakistan will never gain entry based on AQ Khan first stealing enrichment blueprints from his time as researcher in Holland and then latter involved in illegal nuclear profileration, of course with full backing of Pak Army and Gov Chinis know that.Thats why they want this excuse to block Indias entry.
randomGuy Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 1. China's own business relations with India will be harmed if it opposes India. 2. China doesn't want to be seen as being isolated when opposing India in NSG. Turkey will do what China does for sake of so-called Islamic brotherhood with Pakistanis. Edited June 19, 2016 by randomGuy
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 19, 2016 Author Posted June 19, 2016 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: 1. China's own business relations with India will be harmed if it opposes India. 2. China doesn't want to be seen as being isolated when opposing India in NSG. Turkey will do what China does for sake of so-called Islamic brotherhood with Pakistanis. Turkey is NATO member?
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 19, 2016 Author Posted June 19, 2016 Turkey is a NATO member I wonder how much USA can lean on them and make them withdraw their objections.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 20, 2016 Author Posted June 20, 2016 Quote Raj Chengappa of India Today: India has recently applied for membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Russia has always backed India's entry, but China has been opposing it. Will you speak to the Chinese President and ask him and persuade him to drop the objections? Also Prime Minister Modi had a successful visit to the US last week. Is India being on the right side of the US, putting it on the wrong side of Russia? How do you see relations between India and Russia? Many say it hasn't reached its full potential. And finally fitness question. Would you be doing yoga on World Yoga Day on June 21.Have you tried yoga yourself - I know you are extremely fit? Russian President Vladimir Putin: "Let's begin with your final question I appreciate yoga but prefer to watch from the sidelines. I envy those who achieve results and it testifies to the character of such people. Well Russians, like Indian culture very much. We are a country that has a channel that shows only Hindi movies constantly." "As far as India and Russia relations are concerned, they have deep roots and we highly value them. We have trust and confidence in each other. An important thing is that all political forces in Russia and I can see in India, speak for developing India Russia relations. As we see the Opposition and the Ruling party in India have disputes and confrontation among themselves, but all of them speak for the development of relations with Russia. We highly value that. I would like to assure you that we have a similar political consensus about developing relations with India. But of course we must transform this historical and positive capital into particular areas of cooperation because our trade turnover is still very low. It does not correspond to our potential. The fact that we are helping India develop the peaceful nuclear is good but it is not enough. We must diversify our relations even more. We must develop and expand investment flows and projects. For example in pharmaceuticals we cant be limited only in generics. One must be deepen this cooperation and we can do that - it is all in our hands. The same can be said about the other hi-tech areas I will not list at all." "As far as India and US coming closer together it is quite a natural process. I do not know who is approaching whom. Either India is going to the US or vice versa. Before he became Prime Minister, Mr Modi was sanctioned and prohibited from going to the US, But after he was elected as Prime Minister, the US said let bygones bygones and all sanctions were lifted against him. It testifies to the fact that the decisions are taken by the US spontaneously and without taking into account long term consequences and results of the decisions being made. If there is a desire of the US to have cooperation with India we welcome that as well. It will be quite strange on our behalf to stand in the way of cooperation of such countries with India. India has more than a billion people, I think we have some very specific areas of cooperation. We can build on without affecting relations with other countries through step by step development." "As regards your nuclear question, Russia has been cooperating with India only within the limits of the international law. We believe that India with its huge population, has economic problems and lot of energy challenges apart from national security issues. And therefore, India cannot be put in the same league as other countries. While we must act within the international law, we must look at all the opportunities to ensure, provide and support India's interests." Raj Chengappa: So on the NSG will you speak to the Chinese Prime Minister? President Putin: I have already answered all the questions on that subject. But you still want more. We have had very honest discussions on this issue and we have no secrets with our Chinese friends. Our cards are open - we discuss it all. We have to take into account the concerns of everyone and if we do not address them in a timely manner that will not lead to the solution of the issue but will only create another one. Is there a way to solve it? Yes. But we need to proceed very carefully. LINK
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 23, 2016 Author Posted June 23, 2016 Seems Modi-Jinping meeting as failed to change the Chinese stand.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 23, 2016 Author Posted June 23, 2016 China Turkey Austria Ireland NZ continue to oppose.Brazil has joined them.
randomGuy Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: China Turkey Austria Ireland NZ continue to oppose.Brazil has joined them. Thanks for updating this thread with the latest happenings.
gattaca Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: China Turkey Austria Ireland NZ continue to oppose.Brazil has joined them. Brazil ??This is stupid. What about BRICS. We have close relationship with them and they oppose us. Edited June 23, 2016 by gattaca
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 23, 2016 Author Posted June 23, 2016 Brazil ??This is stupid. What about BRICS. We have close relationship with them and they oppose us. CHINA.....
beautifulgame Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 What exactly is the benifit of joining this NSG.Can anyone explain? Really don't get the point in spending so much energy when we all know China will never agree to it .
Nash Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 whatever the result maybe. but one thing is for sure, Modi means business. Once China rejected the India's plea for NSG, the side effect will be felt in south china sea, malabar sea exercise, CPEC route, india-usa relationship, india-japs relationship, india - east policy atcs. plus less imports from china, will help indian companies. Yes or No answer is important than smug chinese face.
randomGuy Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, beautifulgame said: What exactly is the benifit of joining this NSG.Can anyone explain? Really don't get the point in spending so much energy when we all know China will never agree to it . It is important because it is a permanent entry. Means getting the best chance of getting latest technology, nuclear fuel and investments in this sector. So NSG membership is sort of a big deal. But not a make or break situation for India. Btw India has a ambitious target for wind as well as solar. I was studying inox wind (a wind power company). I came to know India's target for wind power is 60GW by 2022 and india will be adding 4.5 GW per year.
randomGuy Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Also, wind power at 4.5/- per unit (kw-hour) has become as competitive as thermal and solar. So wind power does not require subsidy anymore
randomGuy Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 " China found itself left high and dry as, one by one, more than 30 NSG members declared their support for India’s joining the group. Contrary to initial reports, Brazil and South Africa were strong backers of India’s membership. Austria, Ireland, Switzerland and a few others said they supported Indian membership but wanted to know how the induction process would take place. Turkey, seen as Pakistan’s closest friend in the NSG after China, said it supported membership for both countries. However, Pakistan’s application was not even taken up by the other members." http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-bags-all-but-china-s-vote-decision-on-nsg-bid-likely-on-friday/story-8ZZdZHRnEyPtxgleWsjTOI.html
beautifulgame Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 It is important because it is a permanent entry. Means getting the best chance of getting latest technology, nuclear fuel and investments in this sector. So NSG membership is sort of a big deal. But not a make or break situation for India. Btw India has a ambitious target for wind as well as solar. I was studying inox wind (a wind power company). I came to know India's target for wind power is 60GW by 2022 and india will be adding 4.5 GW per year. But we already have individual deals with most of these countries from what I remember. We already have agreements with USA France etc .So why is it such a necessity. Can't we access latest technology from our nuclear deals with US or France ?
Malcolm Merlyn Posted June 23, 2016 Author Posted June 23, 2016 But we already have individual deals with most of these countries from what I remember. We already have agreements with USA France etc .So why is it such a necessity. Can't we access latest technology from our nuclear deals with US or France ? We have a partial waiver since 2008.Where by we can import enriched uranium and reactors etc.The problem is that since we are not a member we cant be supplied with technology to enrich in India nor can those reactors be made in India nor can India sell anything. If we want affordable nuclear energy then we need to have full access to all technologies and be able to manufacture assemble enrich and even sell.
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