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How will PakMil Mafia respond to India's re-org of J&K

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3 hours ago, FischerTal said:

war is dirty. also, we have done that in the past. 

harvesting in terrorism is much more dirty ..India  will become Pakistan if you have such approach which Pakistan employed against India.

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2 hours ago, Stuge said:

harvesting in terrorism is much more dirty ..India  will become Pakistan if you have such approach which Pakistan employed against India.

Then only option is more balakot strikes. Are u okay with that?

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16 hours ago, G_B_ said:

As i said, we have newly bolstered artillary. Make full use of them. You dont need jets. Turn Pok into a shelling zone.

For all the arm-chair generals on the forum - no matter how the Indian army has war-gamed different scenarios, its a rare conflict where the opponent reacts exactly as you predict or expect.  When that happens, you have spectacularly one-sided conflicts - such as the lightning invasion and conquest of France by Nazis, or the total victory achieved by Indian army in Bangladesh. 

 

In most cases, the opponent is also able to strategize and find avenues of action where they hold potential strategic advantage and even 'surprise'.  

 

The smartest thing Pakistan could do here, is to delay 'kinetic action; at least for a few weeks.  IA will be at peak levels of alertness and preparedness.  By letting three four weeks go by, you allow for a bit of complacency to set in.  Folks will inevitably start to relax a bit, and that is the window of opportunity.  The question is, can the PakMil mafia afford to wait that long?  And if they somehow manage to hold off the extremist hordes in their country, baying for 'revenge', then come the financial constraints (and calendar) imposed by FATF and IMF - when exactly is the next FATF evaluation scheduled for?  When does the IMF start releasing its tranches of loans?  Pakistan can ill-afford any negative action on that front.  So that hems them in quite a bit.  

 

Realistically, the only logical option for them is to unleash the jihadis.  Plausible deniability, even when obviously flawed, would appear to be a non-negotiable pre-requisite for them.  But the problem is that the PakMil mafia and the country of Pakistan don't exactly have their interests and incentives on the same page.  And the question is the calculation that PakMil mafia will make - Can they afford to be seen as "not doing anything"?  And for how long?   I'd say the answer is No to the first question, and 'a very limited time' for the second. 

 

Interesting times ahead.  And challenging too.   Let's hope the violence stays to a minimum, and needless lives of any country are not wasted on this senseless 'dispute'.  

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5 hours ago, sandeep said:

For all the arm-chair generals on the forum - no matter how the Indian army has war-gamed different scenarios, its a rare conflict where the opponent reacts exactly as you predict or expect.  When that happens, you have spectacularly one-sided conflicts - such as the lightning invasion and conquest of France by Nazis, or the total victory achieved by Indian army in Bangladesh. 

 

There are 3 criteria, detection, prevention, and correction. We now are on prevention mode, thus the huge army at JK, and not allowing local leaders to provoke others, next also informing other countries diplomats privately. But we have to be alert to detect any changes, and then counter it accordingly.

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On 8/7/2019 at 1:01 AM, sandeep said:

Ultimately I view the average Pakistani as a fellow human being, and a fellow child of the Indus civilization

Just let it go man :facepalm:

The diverging paths we have taken are set in stone. We have more in common with Lankans, Nepalis, hell even a section of the Bangladeshi society. Pakistanis and us couldn't be more opposite than we already are. 

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4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Just let it go man :facepalm:

The diverging paths we have taken are set in stone. We have more in common with Lankans, Nepalis, hell even a section of the Bangladeshi society. Pakistanis and us couldn't be more opposite than we already are. 

I don’t believe that and I don’t think RSS or Modi believe that. But now is not tte time for it. 

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12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Just let it go man :facepalm:

The diverging paths we have taken are set in stone. We have more in common with Lankans, Nepalis, hell even a section of the Bangladeshi society. Pakistanis and us couldn't be more opposite than we already are. 

It is what it is.  There is nothing to let go or hold on to.

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No Exchange of Sweets Between BSF and Pakistani Rangers | There was no exchange of sweets between the Border Security Forces (BSF) and Pakistani Rangers along the International Border (IB) on the occasion of Eid this year. Sources said, the BSF wanted to give sweets to Pakistani Rangers but there was no response from them.

:hysterical:

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Just now, WC2011INDIA said:

I think we are the laughing stock here. Why the hell BSF was offering sweets on eid? We should be showing no such gestures whatsoever. 

They were following protocols and traditions which got established with friendly neighbour in 72 years of peacefull Kashmir. Now their Pakistani Counterparts are blaming our BSF Jawans for sins of Modi,Shah,Malik,Kovind and RSS. Dont you think its a tad unfair to blame  BSF by Pakistni Rangers.

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1 minute ago, mishra said:

They were following protocols and traditions which got established with friendly neighbour in 72 years of peacefull Kashmir. Now their Pakistani Counterparts are blaming our BSF Jawans for sins of Modi,Shah,Malik,Kovind and RSS. Dont you think its a tad unfair to blame  BSF by Pakistni Rangers.

Enough of protocols and traditions...we have not taken theka of following these. Applies to all. 

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6 hours ago, WC2011INDIA said:

I think we are the laughing stock here. Why the hell BSF was offering sweets on eid? We should be showing no such gestures whatsoever. 

Because everything is normal.  We did what we had to.  

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On 8/6/2019 at 9:53 AM, helperononline said:

Many of Muslims across are not happy

lol

 

most of 'Indian' labourers threatened with  murder and beaten up and sent packing out of J&K are muslims. haha sorry there wont be any indian muslim terror organization

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Nothing has changed, the topic implies the default state is "peace". And that can be the biggest mistake, the stakeholders are still the same, and will continue their breaking India agenda. It's just fortunately, without 370, we now given more power to all Indians, and the law enforcement agencies.

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On 8/12/2019 at 3:22 AM, WC2011INDIA said:

I think we are the laughing stock here. Why the hell BSF was offering sweets on eid? We should be showing no such gestures whatsoever. 

Arrey they worry so much about Kashmir so with 370 gone ab Kashmir mein development ayega na? Isliye mithai.

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Staged a violent protest in front of Indian High Commissions and  seized the Indian HC London. Families were trapped inside till riot police intervened. However duplicity of media (BBC) was exposed which reported it as why Kashmir matters to British “Asian” without pointing finger that it was hammirpur brigade.

 

Another local news outlet( close to terrist mouthpiece) reported the violence but the way it reported, if a person not aware reads it then will assume violence was done by Indian and a Sardarji (who was actually pro Khalistan brigade as their were 5 sikhs ) was caught with kripaan. So if you read it, you will think Indians  Sardar ji came with Kripaan and got arrested. Hope British news outlets take action against such publishing house as they are intentionally withholding important info.

what is clear is Pro Pakistani media outlet threw Khalistani protesters under bus.

Bbc threw all Asians under the bus

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33 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Classic response by a jihadi to Pak Army

 

 

 

Probably the best response I've heard lol.  Full of wit and humor. Classy

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14 minutes ago, Norman said:

What did he say  ? :dance:

When asked if he would wage a jihad in Kashmir, he said,

 

"A lot of us are already martyred, we would like other brothers to become shaheed, we are not that selfish to grab all the chances. Also, to fight wars, we have a 7-8 lakh army, wr pay taxes for that. We don't have modern weapons, tanks, for waging wars, but they do. We will definitely request the army to fight a war in Kashmir" :phehe:

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Lot of rumblings of PAF exercises, artillery exercises being carried out by PakMil. 

 

Greenbros can't afford to respond only with Immy's frustrated rants.  GoI's admin reorg has one counter-productive consequence - it has re-introduced the 'dispute' to the int'l community and news cycle.  It will be in Pakistani interest to sustain that media interest.   They cannot rely solely on Kashmiri 'protests' to sustain that interest.  They need more than that.  They also are in desperate need of some action that can be touted as a 'win'.  Even if its a single post.  This is the only play they have.  Diplomatically they have already failed, militarily they have no shot at taking territory from India. The only long-shot hope they have, is to keep stirring the pot, make it a 'hot' dispute that the int'l community feels forced to intervene in.  And anytime a 3rd party intervenes, its human nature to try and throw a bone to "both sides".   For this to happen, the dispute has to heat up considerably in the news cycle and stay there.

 

Whenever it is finally done, it will most likely be planned as a quick raid that seizes some sliver of territory or posts along the LoC.  Think "surgical strike" but exponentially larger.  To increase the odds of success, they have to select spot(s) where they have the advantage of terrain, as well as some level of 'surprise'.   The latter is the reason why they haven't done it already.   The former is not something that us laymen would have information on. 

 

There have been reports of PakMil beefing up its personnel along Sir Creek - another disputed area where PakMil could potentially try a landgrab Op - or it could just be a feint. Given the geography of Sir Creek, the difficulties of holding on to any seized territory against the inevitable Indian response make it unlikely.   The skirmish has to in the J&K theatre.  PakMil's credibility depends on it.  

 

Ask yourself the question - why is Imran continuing the public rants - not just on twitter, but also in interviews?  As tempting as it is to believe that Imran's public statements are the rants of a frustrated impotent 'leader', it doesn't pass the logic test.  All he's doing is burning diplomatic bridges with India, and risks looking silly. There is only one logical reason under which this makes sense  - he's under instructions from PakMil to lay the media groundwork for the skirmish.  They know they cannot afford another Kargil in the eyes of the world - i.e. a conflict where the world concludes that Pakistan was the aggressor.  They badly need to be seen as reacting.  By constantly badmouthing Modi, claiming that India will launch "false flag ops" etc, they are attempting to set the stage to argue that they are the weaker party who aren't looking to stir up trouble, and its all big bad India's fault.  

 

No matter how well the Indian army prepares for this, it is logically impossible to guarantee foolproof defense along mountainous terrain, especially in locales where the terrain confers non-trivial advantage to the aggressor.  I hope the IA has contingency plans in place to retaliate quickly and grab a reciprocal slice back from Pak, when the PakMil initiates conflict.  Regardless whether PakMil succeed in grabbing posts or not, IA should definitely use the conflict as a chance to inflict punishment by ensuring that the net outcome of the skirmish results in PakMil losing territory, not gaining it. 

 

 

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1. Intelligence agencies say about 100 Afghan terrorists are recruited to cross LoC

2. Recruitment/Enrolment centre are back and functioning openly to for enrolling new Jihadi for Kashmiri cause

3. About 2 doz n plus on border waiting to cross. And thats why so much shelling is going on.

my take: lets not stop shelling when they stop. They may have succeded in infiltrating terrorist but they should bear the cost

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6 hours ago, mishra said:

1. Intelligence agencies say about 100 Afghan terrorists are recruited to cross LoC

2. Recruitment/Enrolment centre are back and functioning openly to for enrolling new Jihadi for Kashmiri cause

3. About 2 doz n plus on border waiting to cross. And thats why so much shelling is going on.

my take: lets not stop shelling when they stop. They may have succeded in infiltrating terrorist but they should bear the cost

Cowardly Pak military can only do these stunts, never ever engage in direct conflict with us. Not just them jihad/mujahideen/ shahadat is a time tested method for followers of ROP. Be it Kashmir, Chechnya, Nigeria, Kenya, Mindanao, China, Europe and 10000 other places these barbarians whenever in conflict (or no conflict) can only resort to treacherous tactics first designed by their own "holy"  Prophet who ordered massacre of innocent Jews (read up 'Banu Qurayza genocide'). Ghastly people following a ghastly desert cult not fit to be allowed to function (forget thrive) in 2019. Sooner or later a war will erupt in the world which will pit the Muslims against rest of humanity. Let the West Asians run out of oil, then the fun will begin. With every move the Muslims are hastening their own end, world will be a better place without them. Apologies to the (minority) sensible Muslims (and those who would be branded non-Muslims as per teachings of their own book) but fault lies in the religion and it can not be reformed. Christianity, Hinduism too had evil parts but after centuries of reforms they don't represent a threat to humanity, but they say green book is final word of God and can never be questioned. So be it, planet has already suffered a lot because of that crazy death cult, patience isn't infinite and Muslims don't have the firepower/resources to resist their termination. 

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To know the mind of an average PakMil supporter (basically every Pakistani and their sympathizers in India) check out their threads on PDF

 

You can never compromise with evil, an evil whose only motivation is your destruction. Basically the teachings of Koran as far as kafirs are concerned. How much longer must we bleed?

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40 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Cowardly Pak military can only do these stunts, never ever engage in direct conflict with us. Not just them jihad/mujahideen/ shahadat is a time tested method for followers of ROP. Be it Kashmir, Chechnya, Nigeria, Kenya, Mindanao, China, Europe and 10000 other places these low lives whenever in conflict (or no conflict) can only resort to treacherous tactics first designed by their own "holy"  Prophet who ordered massacre of innocent Jews (read up 'Banu Qurayza genocide'). Ghastly people following a ghastly desert cult not fit to be allowed to function (forget thrive) in 2019. Sooner or later a war will erupt in the world which will pit the Muslims against rest of humanity. Let the West Asians run out of oil, then the fun will begin. With every move the Muslims are hastening their own end, world will be a better place without them. Apologies to the (minority) sensible Muslims (and those who would be branded non-Muslims as per teachings of their own book) but fault lies in the religion and it can not be reformed. Christianity, Hinduism too had evil parts but after centuries of reforms they don't represent a threat to humanity, but they say green book is final word of God and can never be questioned. So be it, planet has already suffered a lot because of that crazy death cult, patience isn't infinite and Muslims don't have the firepower/resources to resist their termination. 

One kaanspiracy theory says that Islamists are a tool/useful idiots for Globalists to unleash conflicts/chaos across the world which eventually leads to WWIII which in turn leads to a New World Order (NWO) with a One World Government which is what the Globalists want. The MSM is in on it as well as it is Globalist backed. 

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6 hours ago, mishra said:

my take: lets not stop shelling when they stop. They may have succeded in infiltrating terrorist but they should bear the cost

For the last couple of years, its the IA that has been heating up the LoC, not just the greenbros trying to push in "volunteers".   Its the policy of dishing out actual consequences to the PakMil for their shenanigans.  With unhesitating and unambiguous steady escalation for their actions - surgical strikes, balakot - regardless of the 'score' of how many volunteers were sent off to heaven, its the discrete signaling that's more important.  PakMil today knows that the current administration is unafraid and unhesitant in retaliating when non-state actors 'act' on their behalf.  Plausible deniability be damned.  

 

That's the reason why PakMil has been forced to sit on their hands so far after a370.  It doesn't matter how many trees or crows were hit in Balakot - the message is still ringing in their ears.  From now on, a price will be exacted.  Publicly.  

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^ i think you made a point which makes you think why the so called Educated, progressive western Muslim Journalists of Western outlet like cnn bbc NYT, ft , who know the reality don’t argue and put real facts to the world that, Indpendent Kashmiri constitution was Essentially inhuman and unequal. A independent Kashmiri State CM was involved in direct act of religious persecution, promoting terrorism, involved in ethnic cleansing and was providing Financial Insurance to any Kashmiri terrorist, who while killing Hindus, got caught or gunned down by Central Forces.

 

Not even one Muslim jounalist of these big media houses Questioned old Kashmiri autonomous system leaders and argued that it was real evil Which has been killing Hindus since 1988 and protecting terrorists for past 30 years.

 

So to me, yes, Islamic followers wont change a bit, no matter whats There upbringing 

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On 8/14/2019 at 1:59 PM, chewy said:

World's biggest Terrorist group 

You misunderstand them.  They are businessmen - in  the business of exploiting the greenbro awaam.  Terrorism is not their goal or primary activity, its just a tool.  As long as they keep the awaam addicted to the 'hate India' drug, they can keep exploiting them dry.  

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11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

You misunderstand them.  They are businessmen - in  the business of exploiting the greenbro awaam.  Terrorism is not their goal or primary activity, its just a tool.  As long as they keep the awaam addicted to the 'hate India' drug, they can keep exploiting them dry.  

Of course money element is big, but there is fundamental hatred of 'Hindus', not Indians but Hindus within PakMil establishment. I am pretty sure there must heavy religious brainwashing in Pak army training camps. And for them killing of armed or unarmed civilian Hindu is all fair game.

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They are just behaving like another Indian political party, abusing Modi and Hindus. They should just merge with India.  For some, that would mean Akhand Bharat. While, for others their dream for majority Muslim would be close, and thus the end of Modi rule... That could be only solution...

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