From the vault : South African Magazine on Indian fast bowlers bowling speed -2003

[express bowling]

20 minutes ago, the don said:

 Had heard similar things about umesh yadav (has potential) and he turned out to be a good 5-7 ks slower than wahab riaz . 

 

Thanks for raising this issue.  It proves what kind of wrong perception exists in cricket.

 

Average pace of Wahab Riaz and  Md. Amir in the WI test series as per espncric.info  ( the latest Pakistan series for which Hawk-eye information is available )

 

Wahab --  137 / 134 / 138 / 139

 

Amir  --  134  / 133  / 135 / 135

 

Umesh Yadav's average speeds in the last test series 

 

Umesh --  Umesh --      140 / 140 / 140 / 142 / 139 / 137 / 140 / 139  

 

It is clear that  Umesh is quicker than Wahab in test matches and much quicker than the overhyped trundler Amir.   

 

 

 

[express bowling]

36 minutes ago, the don said:

Had heard similar things about umesh yadav (has potential) and he turned out to be a good 5-7 ks slower than wahab riaz . 

 

India now has 4 pacers who have high average speeds in test matches ... in Umesh, Aaron, Shami and Ishant.

 

Pakistan has only 1 in Wahab.

[express bowling]

26 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ok. Show me where a batsman has said about an active bowler that they are 'slow now, used to be fast'.

I've never heard anyone call an aging fast bowler who's lost his speed to be slow.

These 'people' talking about Zaheer was never opposition batsmen, but commentators. So you can't use it as 'batsmen said they are fast but are actually slower'- coz batsmen never say 'this guy used to be fast but is slow now' about an active player.

 

Read or heard  it quite a few times.    If i find a link, I will share with you.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Like i said, you are calling Akram medium fast. 

No... Akram had the ability to bowl fast spells and fast deliveries in a slower spell in his peak years.

 

But, he was very often seeing bowling at a reduced pace and often bowled medium-fast spells.

 

Imran once said to Gavaskar about Akram that this guy has the ability to bowl quick but he does not want to.

 

That is the point being made here..... despite having the ability, Akram often chose not to bowl quick.  A part-time quick bowler should be called fast-medium rather than fast.

Edited April 13, 2017 by express bowling

[the don]

50 minutes ago, CG said:

You do know yadav has one of the fastest average speed in a test match currently.Wahab always struggles to maintain his speed in test matches.

What are you talking about wahab bowled a 90 mph match winning spell against england in the UAE . Everyone was talking about his stamina and fitness.

[the don]

22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

India now has 4 pacers who have high average speeds in test matches ... in Umesh, Aaron, Shami and Ishant.

 

Pakistan has only 1 in Wahab.

What are you talking about . 

Who and what is a aaron ? 

 How is he relevant when he isnt even good enough like muhammad sami ? 

Shami is no.quicker than hasan ali . 

Amir can hit higher speeds than ishanth as we have seen in t20s and odi but he should ideally model himself on wasim .

As far as i know the fringe pakistani bowlers are much quicker than the ones playing in indian domestics but than india has too many cricketers and its hard to follow all .

 

 

[the don]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Thanks for raising this issue.  It proves what kind of wrong perception exists in cricket.

 

Average pace of Wahab Riaz and  Md. Amir in the WI test series as per espncric.info  ( the latest Pakistan series for which Hawk-eye information is available )

 

Wahab --  137 / 134 / 138 / 139

 

Amir  --  134  / 133  / 135 / 135

 

Umesh Yadav's average speeds in the last test series 

 

Umesh --  Umesh --      140 / 140 / 140 / 142 / 139 / 137 / 140 / 139  

 

It is clear that  Umesh is quicker than Wahab in test matches and much quicker than the overhyped trundler Amir.   

 

 

 

What happens when they play on similar conditions and under similar speed guns ?? 

Pakistani bowlers always top the speed charts .

If you think amir is a trundler than you dont no nothing about fast bowling .

He can easily hit 148-150 . Does so in t20s . Not so much in tests unless the bowl is reversing .

As for wahab well why he is miles quicker than yadav .

Yadav can dream of consistently hitting 91-92 mph in the UAE heat like he did against england in that match winning spell .

Yadav and amir are skiddy but wahab definitely has more air speed.

 

[Muloghonto]

28 minutes ago, express bowling said:

No... Akram had the ability to bowl fast spells and fast deliveries in a slower spell in his peak years.

 

But, he was very often seeing bowling at a reduced pace and often bowled medium-fast spells.

 

Imran once said to Gavaskar about Akram that this guy has the ability to bowl quick but he does not want to.

 

That is the point being made here..... despite having the ability, Akram often chose not to bowl quick.  A part-time quick bowler should be called fast-medium rather than fast.

!?

Plenty of bowlers- fast or medium fast- can bowl 2-3 overs of fast spells in midst of a slower spell late in the day...

There is no such thing as a 'part time quick bowler'. If a bowler chooses to bowl a bit slower to gain more swing or throws in few extra slower deliveries, it doesnt make him a part-time fast bowler. A fast bowler is one who can bowl fast at will. That is Akram. it doesnt matter that he didn't have to sometimes, what matters is till he got diabetes and screwed up his groin, he could bowl fast at will. 

 

[Muloghonto]

10 minutes ago, the don said:

What are you talking about . 

Who and what is a aaron ? 

 How is he relevant when he isnt even good enough like muhammad sami ? 

Shami is no.quicker than hasan ali . 

Amir can hit higher speeds than ishanth as we have seen in t20s and odi but he should ideally model himself on wasim .

As far as i know the fringe pakistani bowlers are much quicker than the ones playing in indian domestics but than india has too many cricketers and its hard to follow all .

 

 

Amir hasn't been a quick bowler since his re-entry. He barely touches 140kph these days, even in his effort ball.

Shami, Umesh and Ishant are consistently faster than Amir. 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, the don said:

What are you talking about . 

Who and what is a aaron ? 

 How is he relevant when he isnt even good enough like muhammad sami ? 

Aaron was injured and is expected to be back in the test team in the next season.

 

8 minutes ago, the don said:

Shami is no.quicker than hasan ali . 

Hasan Ali has not played a single test.  We are talking about test bowling here where it is difficult to bowl quick and sustain pace.

 

8 minutes ago, the don said:

Amir can hit higher speeds than ishanth as we have seen in t20s and odi but he should ideally model himself on wasim .

 

Again... we are talking about test cricket here.  Not Micky Mouse 4 over spells where even our old man Nehra is bowling 140 K +

 

 

8 minutes ago, the don said:

As far as i know the fringe pakistani bowlers are much quicker than the ones playing in indian domestics but than india has too many cricketers and its hard to follow all .

 

 

Fringe Indian pacers are bowling quite quickly these days.  If you had such fringe bowlers, you would have replaced some of your trundler brigade with those pacers.   Hasan Ali is the only " hope ' you have and you have no idea how quick he will be in test matches.

 

[the don]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Amir hasn't been a quick bowler since his re-entry. He barely touches 140kph these days, even in his effort ball.

Shami, Umesh and Ishant are consistently faster than Amir. 

Barely touches 140 ?? 

He has touched 150 dude .

He was fast in the asia cup and wt20.

Even against the westindies he was hitting 90 mph mixed with the slower balls .

Pace isnt an issue . He has an extra gear in him and he will find optimum pace for tests once hw gets more cricket under his belt.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, the don said:

so now that nobody agrees with you you start questioning the intellect . Might as well question the intellect of everyone who faced them and saw them bowl who still to this day reckon wasim was quicker . 

Pardon us if we cant take you seriously with that screen name "right arm fast".

So this is what you are going to present as proof ?? 

There are about a dozen such "anecdotes" and articles about almost all pakistani fast bowlers bowling express in some obscure game . With wasim there musy be around 50 with a lot more validity than this one but i am not going to bother because wasim needs no introduction .

Good luck convincing the world that srinath was anything more than a medium pacer.

 

:) Who are these " nobody", might you give their screen names here, apart from the ignorant mugo and you? :)

 

This is a classic reply of a loser who knows he has lost the battle, so what better technique than to rant and show the other person down using some words :) Its funny, but I know how you would be feeling. Knowing you have lost it and accepting that your so called legends were not everything they are attributed to, and especially now that the team is no more than trash, it should hurt you great bit to know how fragile your history has been:)

 

Use some ice over.... wherever it burns :P

[the don]

Just now, express bowling said:

Aaron was injured and is expected to be back in the test team in the next season.

 

Hasan Ali has not played a single test.  We are talking about test bowling here where it is difficult to bowl quick and sustain pace.

 

 

Again... we are talking about test cricket here.  Not Micky Mouse 4 over spells where even our old man Nehra is bowling 140 K +

 

 

 

Fringe Indian pacers are bowling quite quickly these days.  If you had such fringe bowlers, you would have replaced some of your trundler brigade with those pacers.   Hasan Ali is the only " hope ' you have and you have no idea how quick he will be in test matches.

 

Its not about the format .

Its the ability to bowl fast that i am talking about .

Its whether the bowler has an extra gear or not .

Always judge bowlers under same conditions.

Junaid khan was clocking 89-90 mph in india for fun and so were amir and wahab .

For some odd reason bowlers also tend to clock quicker speeds in certain countries so always judge them under same conditions and in that scenario pakistani bowlers have always topped the speed charts .

[Rightarmfast]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

!?

Plenty of bowlers- fast or medium fast- can bowl 2-3 overs of fast spells in midst of a slower spell late in the day...

There is no such thing as a 'part time quick bowler'. If a bowler chooses to bowl a bit slower to gain more swing or throws in few extra slower deliveries, it doesnt make him a part-time fast bowler. A fast bowler is one who can bowl fast at will. That is Akram. it doesnt matter that he didn't have to sometimes, what matters is till he got diabetes and screwed up his groin, he could bowl fast at will. 

 

Were you his doctor for his groin injury?

[Rightarmfast]

15 minutes ago, the don said:

What happens when they play on similar conditions and under similar speed guns ?? 

Pakistani bowlers always top the speed charts .

If you think amir is a trundler than you dont no nothing about fast bowling .

He can easily hit 148-150 . Does so in t20s . Not so much in tests unless the bowl is reversing .

As for wahab well why he is miles quicker than yadav .

Yadav can dream of consistently hitting 91-92 mph in the UAE heat like he did against england in that match winning spell .

Yadav and amir are skiddy but wahab definitely has more air speed.

 

Spoken like a true pakistani. But maybe I am generalizing. not all pakistanis would be as ill informed , biased and ignorant like him

[the don]

3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

:) Who are these " nobody", might you give their screen names here, apart from the ignorant mugo and you? :)

 

This is a classic reply of a loser who knows he has lost the battle, so what better technique than to rant and show the other person down using some words :) Its funny, but I know how you would be feeling. Knowing you have lost it and accepting that your so called legends were not everything they are attributed to, and especially now that the team is no more than trash, it should hurt you great bit to know how fragile your history has been:)

 

Use some ice over.... wherever it burns :P

I am not talking about online forums .

I am talking about the real world . Where wasim and srinath are never mentioned in the same sentence.

Yes i have lost the battle and i am very hurt . Brb crying because wasim cannot bowl fast according to an online expert and all those batsmen who faced him lied.

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Barely touches 140 ?? 

He has touched 150 dude .

He was fast in the asia cup and wt20.

Even against the westindies he was hitting 90 mph mixed with the slower balls .

Pace isnt an issue . He has an extra gear in him and he will find optimum pace for tests once hw gets more cricket under his belt.

Perhaps in the shorter format, but i cant think of a single time he's bowled even a spell in test cricket at 140. 

 

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, the don said:

What happens when they play on similar conditions and under similar speed guns ?? 

Pakistani bowlers always top the speed charts .

That has not happened in test matches or ODIs in the last 3 years, when we have had multiple fast bowlers in our teams.

 

All our fast bowlers bowl 140 k to 145 k spells at will in test matches, throughout the day, except Bhuvi.

 

You don't have any such TEST fast bowler  barring Wahab.

 

10 minutes ago, the don said:

If you think amir is a trundler than you dont no nothing about fast bowling .

He can easily hit 148-150 . Does so in t20s . Not so much in tests unless the bowl is reversing .

Amir is a trundler in test matches.... where it takes stamina to toil throughout the day.

 

If you want to be happy with T20 speeds then good luck to you.

 

10 minutes ago, the don said:

As for wahab well why he is miles quicker than yadav .

Yadav can dream of consistently hitting 91-92 mph in the UAE heat like he did against england in that match winning spell .

Yadav and amir are skiddy but wahab definitely has more air speed.

 

Wahab is slower on an average than Umesh in test matches, as I showed you by stats.

 

This is not my opinion.... check the stats yourself by going to espncricinfo.

[the don]

1 minute ago, Rightarmfast said:

Spoken like a true pakistani. But maybe I am generalizing. not all pakistanis would be as ill informed , biased and ignorant like him

Ummm care to tell me who were the quickest bowlers at the worldcup , world t20 and asia cup ?? 

Thanks.

[the don]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Perhaps in the shorter format, but i cant think of a single time he's bowled even a spell in test cricket at 140. 

 

Yes hasnt hit peak pace in tests .

But ability to hit 150 is still there and has done so.