Guest HariSampath Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 ^...Regarding gandhari....I had heard one version that says that she was pregnant, and then she heard that Kunti had sons before her. Gandhari is supposed to be a very petty and jealous woman, and in her sheer hatred her womb split into a 100 sons or something...but there are equally many versions of this...I am not sure which one the original story has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 BTW' date=' someone mentioned that Lord Krishna is a Vaishaya. Firstly, he was the supreme Lord himself, above all human standards, secondly [b']He was the son of Devaki and Vasudev, Kshatriyas - so he would theoretically be Kshatriya (if you want to see it from that view point). oh yeh, Veda Vyasa is said to be an avatar of the supreme. Interestingly he is the father of Pandu, Dhritarastra and Vidura, so actually the Grandfather of the Pandavas and the Kauravas! He goes on to write the Mahabharat, Puranas, Vedas etc. Here's an interesting - for those who know the Mahabharat through reading rather than the TV series: Q. How exactly did Gandhari give birth to her 100 sons? I dont think Krishna was a kshatriya, he was a yadava , right ? and they are not kshatriyas. But he also was the son of Devaki who was the sister of Kamsa who was an asura...so what about that ? These caste definitions anyway are irrelevant because in the mahabharat story Krishna is said to be the Supreme Almighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistOfFury Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 I dont think Krishna was a kshatriya' date=' he was a yadava , right ? and they are not kshatriyas. But he also was the son of Devaki who was the sister of Kamsa who was an asura...so what about that ? These caste definitions anyway are irrelevant because in the mahabharat story Krishna is said to be the Supreme Almighty.[/quote'] Its true, Lord Krishna is the supreme personality, therefore he cannot be put on our level. However, In the vedic times only kshatriyas are rulers/administrators. The original Yadavas (Lord Krishna's clans) are descedants of Yadu, they are Kshatriyas (by birth). People who claim to be descendants of Lord Krishna or his clan are talking rubbish, because they look ugly(lol) and in the Srimad Bhagavatam/Mahabharat, all the Yadavas kill each other bewildered by rice wine... which takes place due to a curse placed by Gandhari, and also via Ved Vyasa. There are no more true yadavas on this planet (they were finished 5000 years ago). I've heard there are some yadav people in India, they have got nothing to do with Lord Krishna's clan, even if they say. Kamsa was not an Asura, he was also part of the Yadava dynasty.. I guess you can say he had "Asura" qualities, because he tried to defy the supreme Lord. Asura is a demoniac quality, whilst sura is divine. Kamsa was still born in a kshatriya family. Lord Krishna's foster parents Nanda and Yashoda are cowherd people, thats why some people might think he was a Vaishya or born into a vaishya family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 ^ The Yadu clan you are referring to is supposed to be the clan of foster parents of Krishna , isnt it ? Thats how it is in the story, I am not sure if Vasudev / Devki were Yadu clan ( or were they) The yadavas kill themselves, because of a curse, it was not by Ved Vyas...someone else, I forget the name. The Yadavas dress a man up as if it was a pregnant woman and go up to the sage to ask him what baby will be born and when...the sage who realises it was an effort to mock him, says " an iron rod will be born which will destroy your entire clan" and thats what happens, there comes out an iron rod and those fellows later end up slaughtering themselves ....thats how I seem to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpire Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 >Q. How exactly did Gandhari give birth to her 100 sons? so whats correct answer for this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistOfFury Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 ^ The Yadu clan you are referring to is supposed to be the clan of foster parents of Krishna , isnt it ? Thats how it is in the story, I am not sure if Vasudev / Devki were Yadu clan ( or were they) The yadavas kill themselves, because of a curse, it was not by Ved Vyas...someone else, I forget the name. The Yadavas dress a man up as if it was a pregnant woman and go up to the sage to ask him what baby will be born and when...the sage who realises it was an effort to mock him, says " an iron rod will be born which will destroy your entire clan" and thats what happens, there comes out an iron rod and those fellows later end up slaughtering themselves ....thats how I seem to remember. Yeah you're right, I always thought it was Ved Vyas, but they approached "the great rishis". http://vedabase.net/sb/11/1/13-15/en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistOfFury Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 >Q. How exactly did Gandhari give birth to her 100 sons? so whats correct answer for this question? HariSampath's answer was nearly there: ^...Regarding gandhari....I had heard one version that says that she was pregnant, and then she heard that Kunti had sons before her. Gandhari is supposed to be a very petty and jealous woman, and in her sheer hatred her womb split into a 100 sons or something...but there are equally many versions of this...I am not sure which one the original story has Heres what happened (direct translation from text): "Vaisampayana said, 'One day Gandhari entertained with respectful attention the great Dwaipayana who came to her abode, exhausted with hunger and fatigue. Gratified with Gandhari's hospitality, the Rishi gave her the boon she asked for, viz., that she should have a century of sons each equal unto her lord in strength and accomplishments. Some time after Gandhari conceived and she bore the burden in her womb for two long years without being delivered. And she was greatly afflicted at this. It was then that she heard that Kunti had brought forth a son whose splendour was like unto the morning sun. Impatient of the period of gestation which had prolonged so long, and deprived of reason by grief, she struck her womb with great violence without the knowledge of her husband. And thereupon came out of her womb, after two years' growth, a hard mass of flesh like unto an iron ball. When she was about to throw it away, Dwaipayana, learning everything by his spiritual powers, promptly came there, and that first of ascetics beholding that ball of flesh, addressed the daughter of Suvala thus, 'What hast thou done?' Gandhari, without endeavouring to disguise her feelings, addressed the Rishi and said, 'Having heard that Kunti had brought forth a son like unto Surya in splendour, I struck in grief at my womb. Thou hadst, O Rishi, granted me the boon that I should have a hundred sons, but here is only a ball of flesh for those hundred sons!' Vyasa then said, 'Daughter of Suvala, it is even so. But my words can never be futile. I have not spoken an untruth even in jest. I need not speak of other occasions. Let a hundred pots full of clarified butter be brought instantly, and let them be placed at a concealed spot. In the meantime, let cool water be sprinkled over this ball of flesh.' "Vaisampayana continued, 'That ball of flesh then, sprinkled over with water, became, in time, divided into a hundred and one parts, each about the size of the thumb. These were then put into those pots full of clarified butter that had been placed at a concealed spot and were watched with care. The illustrious Vyasa then said unto the daughter of Suvala that she should open the covers of the pots after full two years. And having said this and made these arrangements, the wise Dwaipayana went to the Himavat mountains for devoting himself to asceticism. "Then in time, king Duryodhana was born from among those pieces of the ball of flesh that had been deposited in those pots. According to the order of birth, king Yudhishthira was the oldest. The news of Duryodhana's birth was carried to Bhishma and the wise Vidura. The day that the haughty Duryodhana was born was also the birth-day of Bhima of mighty arms and great prowess. "As soon as Duryodhana was born, he began to cry and bray like an ass. And hearing that sound, the asses, vultures, jackals and crows uttered their respective cries responsively. Violent winds began to blow, and there were fires in various directions. Then king Dhritarashtra in great fear, summoning Bhishma and Vidura and other well-wishers and all the Kurus, and numberless Brahmanas, addressed them and said, 'The oldest of those princes, Yudhishthira, is the perpetuator of our line. By virtue of his birth he hath acquired the kingdom. We have nothing to say to this. But shall this my son born after him become king? Tell me truly what is lawful and right under these circumstances.' As soon as these words were spoken, O Bharata, jackals and other carnivorous animals began to howl ominously And marking those frightful omens all around, the assembled Brahmanas and the wise Vidura replied, 'O king, O bull among men, when these frightful omens are noticeable at the birth of thy eldest son, it is evident that he shall be the exterminator of thy race. " http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01116.htm translated by Kisari Mohan Ganguli [published between 1883 and 1896] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Thanks :yay:...I seem to pass my Mahabharat test !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyinallblue Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Name the Apsara who gave the curse of being an eunuch to Arjun for one year...and why Arjun saw an image of his mother in that lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Rambha I guess a because she was married to one of his ancestor forgot the name of that king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyinallblue Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 actually the name of the Apsara was Urvashi and she married Pururavas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 she is Urvashi, how you can miss our Ramdhaari Singh Dinkar who has dedicated an entire "Kaavya" to her. The best one still stands out as Kalidasa's Sanskrit drama...in north India they play this drama and also Dushyanta-Shakuntala of Kalidasa on stage, prior to Ramleela days. That eroticism of "Shringaar Ras" mixed in the "Veer Ras" by our RashtraKavi Dinkar reflects so well in this poem -- इसमें क्या आश्चर्य? जब प्रीति प्रथम बार जगती है. दुर्लभ स्वप्न समान रम्य नारी नर को लगाती है. कितनी गौरवमयी घड़ी वह है नारी जीवन की जब अजेय नृप भूल समस्त सुदबुध अपने तन मन की रहता पडा है पद पर उसके, देखता सदा नारी मुख को पल पल रोमाकुल हुआ, भोग रहा गूढ़ अनंत सुख को. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 she is Urvashi, how you can miss our Ramdhaari Singh Dinkar who has dedicated an entire "Kaavya" to her. The best one still stands out as Kalidasa's Sanskrit drama...in north India they play this drama and also Dushyanta-Shakuntala of Kalidasa on stage, prior to Ramleela days. That eroticism of "Shringaar Ras" mixed in the "Veer Ras" by our RashtraKavi Dinkar reflects so well in this poem -- इसमें क्या आश्चर्य? जब प्रीति प्रथम बार जगती है. दुर्लभ स्वप्न समान रम्य नारी नर को लगाती है. कितनी गौरवमयी घड़ी वह है नारी जीवन की जब अजेय नृप भूल समस्त सुदबुध अपने तन मन की रहता पडा है पद पर उसके, देखता सदा नारी मुख को पल पल रोमाकुल हुआ, भोग रहा गूढ़ अनंत सुख को. Awesome you have very sharp memory I have all but forgotten these poems..:two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 So I wanted to know your thoughts and get recommendation about how to get this things started. My knowledge about both isn't much, even though I know a fair bit about both, I wanted to know more about both the mentioned EPICS and wanted to know what will be the best way start this. Should I go for Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan/Mahabharat TV series? or read a book? Any other particular movie/tv series you recommend or particular book Also other Indian Epics which you recommend? Like for example Panchatantra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 If are lazy or have time constraints - Watch the TV shows or movie. If u have time and want understand it fully and enjoy it - Pick up the book This doesn't just apply for for epics for Ramayana or Mahabharata.Even for the fantasy stuff. Shunya and Cricketics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Btw tics u should thank and acknowledge me for kindling ur interest in Mahabharata with my Krishna thread Sidhoni, velu, Cricketics and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 who is the most powerful warrior of in mahabharata ? Cricketics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 So I wanted to know your thoughts and get recommendation about how to get this things started. My knowledge about both isn't much, even though I know a fair bit about both, I wanted to know more about both the mentioned EPICS and wanted to know what will be the best way start this. Should I go for Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan/Mahabharat TV series? or read a book? Any other particular movie/tv series you recommend or particular book Also other Indian Epics which you recommend? Like for example Panchatantra? Check out -Jaya: An Illustrated Retelling of the Mahabharata By devdutt Patnaik. Cricketics and kira 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 3 hours ago, BeautifulGame said: Btw tics u should thank and acknowledge me for kindling ur interest in Mahabharata with my Krishna thread Lol actually to be honest, the moment I saw the title, it reminded me that I need to stop slacking and start watching Ramayan, something which i had promised myself earlier, so that thread title did serve a good reminder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, velu said: who is the most powerful warrior of in mahabharata ? Lol dude my Mahabharat and Ramayan's overall knowledge is pretty decent, it is just that I wanted to get into more detail which many don't know and many are extremely good at and I am all of a sudden really curious about it and of course it will be a good recap. Regarding your question - Well it could be different from people to people regarding how you see it. I feel Arjun and Bheesham were the strongest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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