speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 LOL. You said Sandeep Sharma is not a World beater. Now, tell me which of our phassssshhhttt bowlers are World beaters. Express bowling has answerd it check above, hope that will help express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Zak was a fast-medium bowler who hit the deck hard when needed. Had a sharp bouncer and could push the batsman on the back foot. He was not a trundler and lack of pace/bounce was never a problem with him. Yes, fast-medium. Not a speed demon by any stretch of imagination. Became slower and slower with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Zak’s highest ever has been 145, Agarkar and Nehra has done better. I only remember Srinath, Ishant (in some matches) and VRV to be 145+ in the 90s and the 2000s. So is that trundling?? I am OK with those speeds what's your point?? Please don't be confused I am not demanding a pace demon, my problem is those dibbly doblies like pk dk vinnu binny yo Mahesh sandip etc. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Texan said: That's it. Nobody from the superfast brigade of Yadav, Aaron, etc.? How come they are not World beaters with all that pace? No one is claiming that the quickest pacers are the best pacers. I always look for pacers who combine pace or bounce with skill. No need to look for extreme pace without skills or extreme skills without pace or bounce. If a pacer is bowling medium fast then it would be better if he gets steep bounce, which is often more effective than horizontal pace. speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, speedheat said: Express bowling has answerd it check above, hope that will help Shami and Bumrah have done well not because of any express pace. They are both fast-medium only. They have done well because of their intelligence rather than brute pace. The top pacy bowlers - Yadav, Aaron are not exactly World beaters as yet. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Magneto said: Yes, fast-medium. Not a speed demon by any stretch of imagination. Became slower and slower with time. actually got more effective as he got slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 That's it. Nobody from the superfast brigade of Yadav, Aaron, etc.? How come they are not World beaters with all that pace? Nobody is demanding a pace demon here, we are just aiming for a pacer who should be fast enough, I still can't get you lol Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Shami and Bumrah have done well not because of any express pace. They are both fast-medium only. They have done well because of their intelligence rather than brute pace. The top pacy bowlers - Yadav, Aaron are not exactly World beaters as yet. Fast medium not medium fast mind you Its the combination of pace and skills, Also it doesn't prove that they are trundlers THEY ARE FAST ENOUGH and that's what we want, you presume to be blind towards pace, please rise above your hate express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Magneto said: Yes, fast-medium. Not a speed demon by any stretch of imagination. Became slower and slower with time. He was always fast-medium in his peak years. Became slower only in his last couple of years in international cricket, which happens to most pacers who play well into their 30s. I am perfectly ok with a skilled fast-medium pacer who can hit the deck hard when needed and get seam movement and bounce. It is the medium-fast or medium pacers who do not have the ability to hit the deck hard when needed ..... that international captains and coaches do not like..... as they become one trick ponies. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lord said: actually got more effective as he got slower That’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 That’s true. But there was not drastic fall in his pace he could still bowl those quick 140+ k balls he limited them to prevent an injury and that's fine for me, you can't label him as dibbly dobbly sandip esq pacer, can you??? express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, speedheat said: But that's not drastic fall in his pace you can't label him as dibbly dobbly sandip esq pacer, can you??? I did say that Sandip needs to be around 136-137. That’s what Zaheer also was in the latter part. Maybe 1-2 kms more. Anyway, we are not comparing them, so it’s not so relevant. Zaheer has been great for India, and has not been a speed demon. Edited May 7, 2017 by Magneto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I did say that Sandip needs to be around 136-137. That’s was Zaheer also was in the latter part. Maybe 1-2 kms more. But he could still bowl those quick skiddy 140+ pace and that's always played in batsmen's mind Infact he use to surprise the batsman with sudden change in pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Texan said: Shami and Bumrah have done well not because of any express pace. They are both fast-medium only. They have done well because of their intelligence rather than brute pace. The top pacy bowlers - Yadav, Aaron are not exactly World beaters as yet. Shami bowls a good % of his deliveries in the 140 k to 145 k range, at times even up to 147 k in test matches and combines this with bounce and hostile bouncers. Maintains his pace even at the end of the day. That is fast bowling and not fast medium. You obviously have to combine pace with skills and no one is demanding an unskilled pacer. Umesh has also started to do really well in the last few test matches, after he has started to combine pace, bounce, accuracy and reverse swing both ways. This is the type of bowling that I want to see. speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Shami bowls a good % of his deliveries in the 140 k to 145 k range, at times even up to 147 k in test matches and combines this with bounce and hostile bouncers. Maintains his pace even at the end of the day. That is fast bowling and not fast medium. You obviously have to combine pace with skills and no one is demanding an unskilled pacer. Umesh has also started to do really well in the last few test matches, after he has started to combine pace, bounce, accuracy and reverse swing both ways. This is the type of bowling that I want to see. Good point bro, let's see what excuse will they bring now lol express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: Shami bowls a good % of his deliveries in the 140 k to 145 k range, at times even up to 147 k in test matches and combines this with bounce and hostile bouncers. Maintains his pace even at the end of the day. That is fast bowling and not fast medium. You obviously have to combine pace with skills and no one is demanding an unskilled pacer. Umesh has also started to do really well in the last few test matches, after he has started to combine pace, bounce, accuracy and reverse swing both ways. This is the type of bowling that I want to see. Not quite. Majority of his bowling is in the 137-142 range and rarely does he hit 145. The thing that works for Shami is that he keeps bowling in the channel outside off and can keep testing the batsman. Express pace is not his top attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Both Bhuvi and Bumrah are medium though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, speedheat said: Good point bro, let's see what excuse will they bring now lol These are not excuses, difference of opinions. Not every debate on ICF needs to be a matter of life and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Texan said: That's it. Nobody from the superfast brigade of Yadav, Aaron, etc.? How come they are not World beaters with all that pace? Umesh was the leading wicket taker for India in WC 2015. He was the 3rd on the list of top wicket takers. speedheat and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 These are not excuses, difference of opinions. Not every debate on ICF needs to be a matter of life and death. Chill, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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