Hardik Pandya doesn't contribute with bat, lucky to be called all-rounder: Roger Binny

[zen]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya is a better test batsman then rohit 

Heck even ashwin n bhuvi are 

In 2 test series, he has 2 90+ scores. So in each series, he has played at least one memorable inning!

[Khota]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Pandya > Rohit in bowling (and may be even in batting in certain conditions)

Pandya > Bhuvi in batting 

 

In short pandya is no good at what he is supposed to do.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A contribution is a contribution

Pandya 90+ was as good a contribution as any batsman in Sa wud and apart from kohli none came close to that score. 

Pandya bowled brilliantly as a bowler in Odi , thats a contribution

His fielding was an asset thats a contribution

 

Small small contributions also matter

A specialist if fails in one dept cannot come back n do much, but an all rounder wud. 

Pandya is a better test batsman then rohit sharma 

Pandya has a 100 outside india, rohit doesnt have it in test

Pandya made 90+ in one innings in Sa and if i combine rohit 2 tours it ll be less then that or almost their and then pandya has 4 ,5 wkts as well..............so rohit sharma has no claim at no 6 over pandya

even ashwin n bhuvi are better batsman then rohit in test cricket

 

yes bhuvi is a better bowler but pandya is a better batsman 

I really have to rethink this discussion. This is too much for me to digest.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya is a better test batsman then rohit 

Heck even ashwin n bhuvi are 

I wil give you benefit of doubt and let you delete this absurdity. I will delete mine after that.

[zen]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

In short pandya is no good at what he is supposed to do.

He is good.

 

Appears as if you have no clue on what he is supposed to do. 

 

Now say the below to cure yourself - “whatever I know, others know that too. What others know I don’t know. So I should not waste my time stating things what others already know” 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Khota said:

I really have to rethink this discussion. This is too much for me to digest.

 

11 hours ago, Khota said:

I wil give you benefit of doubt and let you delete this absurdity. I will delete mine after that.

I will give u time n time n lot of time to 1st come up with fact what has rohit sharma done in test cricket specially out side india.....and since u wnt find anything ill suggest wait a few yrs so he can play a knock in 20-30 games 

Take ur time n a lot of time .....coz u wnt be able to come up with defence to rohit sharma test career

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 hours ago, zen said:

In 2 test series, he has 2 90+ scores. So in each series, he has played at least one memorable inning!

n both are outside india, if m not wrong rohit highest score oustide india in test is around 70 

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

n both are outside india, if m not wrong rohit highest score oustide india in test is around 70 

 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

I will give u time n time n lot of time to 1st come up with fact what has rohit sharma done in test cricket specially out side india.....and since u wnt find anything ill suggest wait a few yrs so he can play a knock in 20-30 games 

Take ur time n a lot of time .....coz u wnt be able to come up with defence to rohit sharma test career

Tell me exactly how much more did Pandya score than Rahul in SA? Both did bad. And stop going by one score from Pandya. That was an outlier.

[zen]

28 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

Tell me exactly how much more did Pandya score than Rahul in SA? Both did bad. And stop going by one score from Pandya. That was an outlier.

 

And that goes against your position on Pandya as he has at least 1 good inning, wkts, and contributions through fielding 

 

That is what many have told you i.e. a team needs options as it can’t put all its eggs in one basket. The all rounder Pandya contributed more relatively speaking

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by zen

[Straight Drive]

We do not have any equal or better batting and pace bowling all-rounder like Hardik. Less said about Vijay Shankar the better. Can't even connect the bat to ball. Binny and Rishi Dhavan are lesser skilled than Hardik.  We can let him groom in T20 and ODI. At least he is better suited to T20 and ODI than in tests where he neither has the temperament, nor batting technique nor ability to setup the batsmen nor the performance in test batting and bowling.

 

One workaround would be to replace Hardik in tests with either a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler. Most specialist batters will give a better average than 33 in tests and most specialist bowlers will take more than 7 wickets in 11 bowling innings in tests.  Also, this test batting average of 33 is on a decline, so it will fall below 25 in couple of series. 

[zen]

24 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

lso, this test batting average of 33 is on a decline, so it will fall below 25 in couple of series. 

Batting averages, when used to judge performance, are relative to other batsmen, conditions and opposition 

 

If due to conditions, batting averages go down, bowling averages are likely to improve for a team 

[Khota]

44 minutes ago, zen said:

 

And that goes against your position on Pandya as he has at least 1 good inning, wkts, and contributions through fielding 

 

That is what many have told you i.e. a team needs options as it can’t put all its eggs in one basket. The all rounder Pandya contributed more relatively speaking

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a bad basket to put all eggs in. You can argue all day long but I can tell you right now based on the eyeball test pandya will not make it.

[zen]

31 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Most specialist batters will give a better average than 33 in tests and most specialist bowlers will take more than 7 wickets in 11 bowling innings in tests.

But that tells nothing. For e.g A batting avg of 35 is better than 33, but is it better than a batting average of 33 + 2 key wkts + 1 direct hit / great catch. Similarly someone can pick 8 wkts, average low with the bat. Additionally, the team already has 5 specialist batsmen and 4 specialist bowlers. An all rounder in current context is 6th or 7th batsmen and 5th bowler

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

That is a bad basket to put all eggs in. You can argue all day long but I can tell you right now based on the eyeball test pandya will not make it.

Per your eyeball test, what will Pandya not make? Bat like Richards and bowl like Hadlee? And in that case, please mention the Richard / Hadlee that he is replacing in the 11

 

PS Did likes of Sehwag and Dhoni meet your eyeball test?

Edited March 24, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

 

Tell me exactly how much more did Pandya score than Rahul in SA? Both did bad. And stop going by one score from Pandya. That was an outlier.

where did rahul came from

Rahul has 100 overseas

One score,pandya has a 100 in SL. 

 

does rohit even have one score or a 100 outside india??

 

Why wont i count pandya scores , it was on a damn tough pitch and against damn tough bowling . He has only ;played 2 series

 

U count karthik 20 runs and m not suppose to count a 90 in test cricket 

 

Btw i asked u to find what rohit sharma has done in his test career, i guess u failed to do so 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

51 minutes ago, zen said:

Per your eyeball test, what will Pandya not make? Bat like Richards and bowl like Hadlee? And in that case, please mention the Richard / Hadlee that he is replacing in the 11

 

PS Did likes of Sehwag and Dhoni meet your eyeball test?

Both did starting out.

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

where did rahul came from

Rahul has 100 overseas

One score,pandya has a 100 in SL. 

 

does rohit even have one score or a 100 outside india??

 

Why wont i count pandya scores , it was on a damn tough pitch and against damn tough bowling . He has only ;played 2 series

 

U count karthik 20 runs and m not suppose to count a 90 in test cricket 

 

Btw i asked u to find what rohit sharma has done in his test career, i guess u failed to do so 

OK since you are so big on Pandya and claim he is a better bat than Rohit would you be kind enough to show me that he did better than Rohit in SA?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

OK since you are so big on Pandya and claim he is a better bat than Rohit would you be kind enough to show me that he did better than Rohit in SA?

gladly 

rohit sharma avg in sa is 15 and his highest score is 47

Pandya avg 20 in Sa with highest as 94

 

Rohit sharma is yet to hit a 50 in test in SA

[zen]

12 minutes ago, Khota said:

Both did starting out.

Is that a random comment?  

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

That is a bad basket to put all eggs in. You can argue all day long but I can tell you right now based on the eyeball test pandya will not make it.

bumer

he already has a test 100 in his 1st two test series which many didnt have and that to oustide india and then that special knock of 94 which came against one the best bowling attack under a collapse. 

 

He already has done well then many at start of their career