Hardik Pandya doesn't contribute with bat, lucky to be called all-rounder: Roger Binny

[Khota]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

What claim? Based on the current set up, I feel that an all rounder like Pandya is a better option for #6-7 position because of the flexibility that he provides, along with never say die attitude 

 

The value info shows that. 0.33 batting difference this series reflects badly on Rohit not Pandya. And as already mentioned, Rohit averages 15 or so overall in SA. So what are you going on and on about? Trying to clutch on to something to feel good about yourself?  

two of you have twisted facts, posted crap in an effort to call day a night. Not happening.

let us look at the batting ability of your boy and mine.

Finally when Sharma was in  a groove he was dropped.

When he came back in ODI he started shining.

After that Pandya had six opportunities and he scored a grand total of 26 runs.

Sharma was one of the top scorer with 170 runs.

That shows the batting ability of rohit.

Pandya is a bits and piece player.

pandya can neither can bat nor bowl.

If truly in your heart you feel Pandya is a better bat than Sharma than I feel sorry for you.

If you want to dfend Pandya as an allrounder do that too but dont mix facts.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

two of you have twisted facts, posted crap in an effort to call day a night. Not happening.

let us look at the batting ability of your boy and mine.

Finally when Sharma was in  a groove he was dropped.

When he came back in ODI he started shining.

After that Pandya had six opportunities and he scored a grand total of 26 runs.

Sharma was one of the top scorer with 170 runs.

That shows the batting ability of rohit.

Pandya is a bits and piece player.

pandya can neither can bat nor bowl.

If truly in your heart you feel Pandya is a better bat than Sharma than I feel sorry for you.

If you want to dfend Pandya as an allrounder do that too but dont mix facts.

Another dumb post from you  

 

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Another dumb post from you  

 

If facts are dumb then nothing I can do about that.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Khota said:

If facts are dumb then nothing I can do about that.

Let start with a simple question. Why do you think a specialist batsmen, who is on his 2nd tour,  would need 4 innings to get going (assuming that you feel that he would have done well in the 3rd test)? That itself is a  hilarious assumption  

 

look at the overseas avgages for the last two years that I posted somewhere 

 

 

[Khota]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Let start with a simple question. Why do you think a specialist batsmen, who is on his 2nd tour,  would need 4 innings to get going (assuming that you feel that he would have done well in the 3rd test)? That itself is a  hilarious assumption  

 

look at the overseas avgages for the last two years that I posted somewhere 

 

 

Let us start with a much easier question.

(1) What is the topic of this thread?

(2) Why do people need deflection to answer the proper question?

(3) My dog ate my homework is a valid excuse or not?

 

 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

Let us start with a much easier question.

(1) What is the topic of this thread?

(2) Why do people need deflection to answer the proper question?

(3) My dog ate my homework is a valid excuse or not?

 

 

As expected, you have nothing meaningful to say. You only make random comments 

[Khota]

53 minutes ago, zen said:

As expected, you have nothing meaningful to say. You only make random comments 

You answered no 2. I call that deflection.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

These are the two numbers you were supposed to mention and you put the wrong ones. Thanks for being honest finally.

For a differential of .33 you declare that Pandya is a better bat than Rohit.

And based on this you claim that Bhuvi, Ashwin and Pnadya re better bat than Rohit.

There is only one thing left to say. You are dumber than a door knob.

 

8 hours ago, Khota said:

This discussion was a simple bnary one where he claimed that Pandya is better than Rohit in batting. For a 0.33 differential if that is what you claim is true then you are a gem.

the claim isnt binary its just to show u doesnt understand the fact rohit hasnt any substantial knock nad pandya has in no matteer of time and so has ashwin n bhuvi

why on earth shud i say rohit is better

 

N again for the millionth time m asking u what has rohit sharma done in test cricket 

[Straight Drive]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

two of you have twisted facts, posted crap in an effort to call day a night. Not happening.

let us look at the batting ability of your boy and mine.

Finally when Sharma was in  a groove he was dropped.

When he came back in ODI he started shining.

After that Pandya had six opportunities and he scored a grand total of 26 runs.

Sharma was one of the top scorer with 170 runs.

That shows the batting ability of rohit.

Pandya is a bits and piece player.

pandya can neither can bat nor bowl.

If truly in your heart you feel Pandya is a better bat than Sharma than I feel sorry for you.

If you want to dfend Pandya as an allrounder do that too but dont mix facts.

Rohit has test average of 39.97 and Hardik has test average of 33. Rohit is clearly expected to have a better batting average as he does because he is a specialist batsman. Why is there a shock that Rohit has a better test average than an all-rounder. A specilaist batsman will always have better batting average than an allrounder even though his primary skill is batting.

 

Hardik is neither a bit and pieces player nor a proper all-rounder. He is better than Binny and Rishi Dhawan but nowhere near test class of Jaques Kallis, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Ian Botham, Keith Miller, Gary Sobers, Shaun Pollock. Neither does it seems he will reach that group. At the most he can accomplish what Shane Watson did for Aussies in test cricket. I don't think Hardik will accomplish even what Irfan Pathan managed to by the end of his test career.

 

Irfan Pathan - batting average  31.57

Bowling -  100 wickets in 54 innings. SR 58.8

 

Hardik - Batting average 33

Bowling - 7 wickets in 11 innings. SR 71.1

Edited March 26, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

Let us start with a much easier question.

(1) What is the topic of this thread?

(2) Why do people need deflection to answer the proper question?

(3) My dog ate my homework is a valid excuse or not?

 

 

and as usual still no fact to prove why does rohit sharma deserve a place ahead of pandya

[zen]

Using Rohit as an example of a specialist batsman playing at #6-7, he has roughly 1500 runs after 25 tests (1500 value points)

 

An AR like Pandya is expected to be at 1250 runs and 50 wkts at 25 tests mark, giving him 1250 + (50*20) = 2250 value points

 

Let’s say he gets 2000 (instead of 2250) points, which would still be  33% more value than Rohit’s numbers at 25 tests mark (so seeing diminishing returns in the 6th specialist batsman)

 

If we have an all rounder like Pandya, a specialist has to do a lot more to get a place over him. Or Pandya has to play extremely badly. Here we are talking about #6-7 batting slot and 5th bowling option (I.e. 5 specialist batsmen and 4 specialist bowlers are already in the 11)

Edited March 26, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Irfan Pathan - batting average  31.57

Bowling -  100 wickets in 54 innings. SR 58.8

 

Hardik - Batting average 33

Bowling - 7 wickets in 11 innings. SR 71.1

Irfan pathan bowling avg were helped by playing agianst minnows like zimb n bang which pandya will hardly get 

Take opp against zimb n bang out his s/r wud be 83 and avg 45

pandya avg is 36 nd s/r wud be 71

 

 

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Rohit has test average of 39.97 and Hardik has test average of 33. Rohit is clearly expected to have a better batting average as he does because he is a specialist batsman. Why is there a shock that Rohit has a better test average than an all-rounder. A specilaist batsman will always have better batting average than an allrounder even though his primary skill is batting.

 

Hardik is neither a bit and pieces player nor a proper all-rounder. He is better than Binny and Rishi Dhawan but nowhere near test class of Jaques Kallis, Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Ian Botham, Keith Miller, Gary Sobers, Shaun Pollock. Neither does it seems he will reach that group. At the most he can accomplish what Shane Watson did for Aussies in test cricket. I don't think Hardik will accomplish even what Irfan Pathan managed to by the end of his test career.

 

Irfan Pathan - batting average  31.57

Bowling -  100 wickets in 54 innings. SR 58.8

 

Hardik - Batting average 33

Bowling - 7 wickets in 11 innings. SR 71.1

I am not debating what you said but where this discussion went down was when one of the posters here claimed that Pandya is a better bat than Rohit. That is insanity to the power n. Then that illustrious poster claims that both Ashwin and Bhuvi are better bats than Rohit. At that stage the discussion was in gutters because this poster has endless time to post crap on and on.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Irfan pathan bowling avg were helped by playing agianst minnows like zimb n bang which pandya will hardly get 

Take opp against zimb n bang out his s/r wud be 83 and avg 45

pandya avg is 36 nd s/r wud be 71

 

 

Pathan was usually not picked as an all rounder but one of the 3 seamers 

 

And he went down as well in terms of performances, while Hardik is just getting started

Edited March 26, 2018 by zen

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

the claim isnt binary its just to show u doesnt understand the fact rohit hasnt any substantial knock nad pandya has in no matteer of time and so has ashwin n bhuvi

why on earth shud i say rohit is better

 

N again for the millionth time m asking u what has rohit sharma done in test cricket 

Fair enough. Rohit may not have lived upto expectation in Tests but he is better than the alternatives. I am disaapointed too but for you to go on and on that Pandya is a better bat is borderline ridiculous.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and as usual still no fact to prove why does rohit sharma deserve a place ahead of pandya

cause he is a specialist bat. There are half a dozen players who are ahead of Pandya.

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, Khota said:

cause he is a specialist bat. There are half a dozen players who are ahead of Pandya.

n where is the perfomance of specialist 

 

21 minutes ago, Khota said:

Fair enough. Rohit may not have lived upto expectation in Tests but he is better than the alternatives. I am disaapointed too but for you to go on and on that Pandya is a better bat is borderline ridiculous.

nope they all have done better he has done nothing absolute nothing, other atleast add wkts 

 

Overseas

 

Bhuvi avg 28 with 3-50s with 398 runs in 17 innings

ashwin avg 33 with 2-50s and 2 -100s  with 725 runs in 26 innings

rohit sharma - avg 23 with 2-50s and no -100 with 502 runs in 22 innings

 

Now how come rohit sharma is a better batsman, ashwin has 2 100s and bhuvi has 3-50s in 17 innings and rohit only has 2 in 22 innings

 

These are shameful stats for a specialist

Edited March 26, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

Pathan was usually not picked as an all rounder but one of the 3 seamers 

 

And he went down as well in terms of performances, while Hardik is just getting started

i knw and these arent gr8 numbers for a bowler

Hardik is doing better then specialist

20 minutes ago, Khota said:

I am not debating what you said but where this discussion went down was when one of the posters here claimed that Pandya is a better bat than Rohit. That is insanity to the power n. Then that illustrious poster claims that both Ashwin and Bhuvi are better bats than Rohit. At that stage the discussion was in gutters because this poster has endless time to post crap on and on.

please go n check bhuvi, ashwin avg more then rohit overseas and they take wkts to 

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i knw and these arent gr8 numbers for a bowler

Hardik is doing better then specialist

please go n check bhuvi, ashwin avg more then rohit overseas and they take wkts to 

Anyone who thinks that Ashwin, Pandya and Bhuvi are better bats than Rohit really does not know cricket. I will keep on bumping this thread when they all bat together. This is hole you have dug so deep for yourself that there is no getting out.

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Irfan pathan bowling avg were helped by playing agianst minnows like zimb n bang which pandya will hardly get 

Take opp against zimb n bang out his s/r wud be 83 and avg 45

pandya avg is 36 nd s/r wud be 71

 

 

Irfan was a much better bowler than Hardik. Statistically it is reflected in his records. The wickets that Irfan takes per innings and Hardik takes is not comparable. The SR also reflects. Subjectively if you ask me, Irfan could swing the ball. I have seen him trouble the likes of Yousuf Youhana and Younis Khan. irfan also had much better control than Hardik. The only aspect hardik was better than irfan is the pace. But at end of the day pace hasn't helped hardik get anywhere near to Irfan thus far.

 

Even the selective SR of 45 is much better than Hardik's 71.1. 

 

It is fine if you think Hardik is better bowler than Irfan, but i would neither agree to it statistically (it's all there to see), neither would i agree subjectively.