beetle Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hari and Gambit, To set the records straight. I wont allow a 6 year old to watch anything that is ADULTS ONLY both on screen violence and sex.And I will discourage them from watching any advertisement or movie clipping that is sexually explicit in nature. My point is a nude model or a porn star who makes her living by selling her body is not much different from a model who covers her processions with less clothes and sells a cosmetic product. I agree with Beetle that having sexual intercourse in public is a taboo but all porn movies are not in this category! HC...a porn movie means having sex for viewing by people other than the ones indulging in the act. That for me is "public" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 The difference is that the model is selling a" suggestion" where as a prostitute is selling the "act". As for respect...I would personally respect prostitutes more than politicians,a lot of cops ,BCCI clowns . Prostitution in most cases is an act of desperation which you can equate to begging for survival.In both cases there is complete loss of selfrespect of the individual. Yes I do agree with your view that it is very unfair. Not Always. The Porn film industry is a thriving industry in the US. Top Porn artistes get paid mega-bucks. For them, its just a job, something that helps them earn lots of money and not something they need to survive/life. I suppose, the one thing that both of us do agree is that the society unfairly looks down upon prostitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 ^ The OP and debate are very much' date=' in principle, a comparision between women showing off some/much of body parts for commercial marketing, and equating it to women having hardcore sex on camera on a commercial basis. The two are NOT the same , and CANNOT be justified as some percentage of other as both the aims are FUNDAMENTALLY different, and this discussion is going on perfectly as per OP, both by men and women..[/quote'] Hari, what is the FUNDAMENTAL difference that you are talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 My point is a nude model or a porn star who makes her living by selling her body is not much different from a model who covers her processions with less clothes and sells a cosmetic product. Well good for you. But IMO having sex for money(in a complete porn flick), filming it and then distributing it is simply not the same as modelling on the ramp or acting in an ad to promote a cosmetic product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hari and Gambit, To set the records straight. I wont allow a 6 year old to watch anything that is ADULTS ONLY both on screen violence and sex.And I will discourage them from watching any advertisement or movie clipping that is sexually explicit in nature. My point is a nude model or a porn star who makes her living by selling her body is not much different from a model who covers her processions with less clothes and sells a cosmetic product. I agree with Beetle that having sexual intercourse in public is a taboo but all porn movies are not in this category! I still disagree...any model who agrees to pose in a bating suit to market a cosmetic is NOT the same as a porn actress agreeing to fack on camera...they are selling DIFFERENT things, and the second is NOT acceptable to me . I would never mind my 8 year old daughter or 11 year old niece to come up to me and say " uncle, isnt she awesome, such a sexy figure" after seeing a commercial, and I will not prevent my niece from seeing commercials with scantily clad women or MEN too, but I certainly will have a problem if my daughter or niece comes to mee to say they have seen a hrdcore porn film on the web or tv...I will certainly take them to task and be very hard on it. Eventually my niece/daughter would learn of sex and when they do so at 19-20 I am sure they would not discuss with me, nor would I wish it...but common sense and a certain sense of expression decency prvents one's sensibilities to equate attractive sexy Ads and porn films as same. I guess the difference is abundantly illustrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Not Always. The Porn film industry is a thriving industry in the US. Top Porn artistes get paid mega-bucks. For them, its just a job, something that helps them earn lots of money and something they need to survive/life. I suppose, the one thing that both of us do agree is that the society unfairly looks down upon prostitutes. The Porn film industry is a thriving industry in the US. Top Porn artistes get paid mega-bucks. For them, its just a job, something that helps them earn lots of money and something they need to survive/life. So is begging in a lot of cases. There are some crorepati beggers in India with fat bank balances and big houses..... But both the acts involve degrading yourself . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 guys do u want me to be active in this POST? i might get a lil nasty and naughty tho. Will only enter with your approval :icflove: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hari' date=' what is the FUNDAMENTAL difference that you are talking about ?[/quote'] Sriram, I REPEAT...the fundamental difference is NOT how much is shoen, but WHAT is it being shown for. Let me try to explain...I was watching the old film African safari many years back with my nephews and nieces, and you see a lot of African tribal women topless and almost naked...I can explain to the kids what it is and in what context...but even if I am watching a very cery seedy film sequence ( with NO body parts exposed, but portraying an act of sex)...it is difficult to do so to a 6/8 year old niece...the "message" is different from the screen, and kids are surprisingly smart and perceptive....some of them can even sit rhough the half naked African footage, but even the less exposed sex sequence, when they see it, they say " chee...dirty girl"....get it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [ So is begging in a lot of cases. There are some crorepati beggers in India with fat bank balances and big houses..... But both the acts involve degrading yourself . Agreed, but that point of rich people who still cheat/rob others' money is beyond the scope of the OP, imo. My bone of contention is the general impression that prostitution is something like a last resort of livelihood for people. While it may be the case in countries like India, the US has a very organized porn movie industry and actors/actresses make millions out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Sriram' date=' I REPEAT...the fundamental difference is NOT how much is shoen, but WHAT is it being shown for. Let me try to explain...I was watching the old film African safari many years back with my nephews and nieces, and you see a lot of African tribal women topless and almost naked...I can explain to the kids what it is and in what context...but even if I am watching a very cery seedy film sequence ( with NO body parts exposed, but portraying an act of sex)...it is difficult to do so to a 6/8 year old niece...the "message" is different from the screen, and kids are surprisingly smart and perceptive....some of them can even sit rhough the half naked African footage, but even the less exposed sex sequence, when they see it, they say " chee...dirty girl"....get it ??[/quote'] The point is not what kids make out of it Hari, but what you, as a matured grown up intellectual, make out as the difference between the two acts. I suppose its a matter of individual perception than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 >>>>Agreed, but that point of rich people who still cheat/rob others' money is beyond the scope of the OP, imo. There are real beggers who beg on the streets and have become rich by begging but continue to do so.....:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 >>>>Agreed, but that point of rich people who still cheat/rob others' money is beyond the scope of the OP, imo. There are real beggers who beg on the streets and have become rich by begging but continue to do so.....:D I know, i have heard such tales too.. What idiots ! :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suraj Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I will not discriminate and volunteer to have sex with both- the model and the pornstar!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Aaj Kal college bala apni luxurious lifestyle ko support karne ke liye sweksha se call-girl ka kaam karti hain.. Isko desperation kis aadhar pe kaha ja sakta hai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 @ MM...if you ask what I as " a grown up intellectaul thinks"...I think that ALL forms of sex, portrayed in public thru any media is sick. But I do NOT call prostitution sick. It is the world's oldest profession and sex by itself is not a crime , even if it is commercial, as long as it is private and NOT performed for an audience. Sex performed in public ( as in porn) cannot be equated to something like a dance/concert etc as social entertainment. Sex by its very nature is between man-woman ( i dont care married or not, commercial or not etc)...but it is between man-woman for physical pleasure and NOT for others to watch that act on a commercial basis. To compare publicly marketed sex acts with publicly marketed ad films , exposing part of body to sell something OTHER than sex, even if it is in a sexy manner, are TWO different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineleg Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Showing body and having sex are two different acts. Showing ones body is acceptable behaviour to a certain extent. Having sex in public is a taboo . beets, Short and sweet. Well said and it sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 @ MM...if you ask what I as " a grown up intellectaul thinks"...I think that ALL forms of sex, portrayed in public thru any media is sick. But I do NOT call prostitution sick. It is the world's oldest profession and sex by itself is not a crime , even if it is commercial, as long as it is private and NOT performed for an audience. Sex performed in public ( as in porn) cannot be equated to something like a dance/concert etc as social entertainment. Sex by its very nature is between man-woman ( i dont care married or not, commercial or not etc)...but it is between man-woman for physical pleasure and NOT for others to watch that act on a commercial basis. To compare publicly marketed sex acts with publicly marketed ad films , exposing part of body to sell something OTHER than sex, even if it is in a sexy manner, are TWO different things. I get your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Who defines decency ? Showing body is not acceptable behavior in many Muslim countries .. Heck , we wouldn't have had the burqa otherwise ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Eventually my niece/daughter would learn of sex and when they do so at 19-20 I am sure they would not discuss with me, nor would I wish it.. How sad. You will find that parents who actually talk to their children about sex and prepare them for it in general have FAR better relations with their kids, not to mention, kids in general end up being more responsible about it. Sex is a huge thing when you are a teenager and it sure helps if an adult you can trust tells you how to cope with it or what to expect from it. I don't find it a coincidence at all that desi parents hardly ever talk about sex with their kids and desis have the highest AIDS cases along with the largest prostitution industry in the world. CLosing off discussion on such topic usually leads to rash/irresponsible choices atleast once or twice by the young man/woman because instead of guiding them in their prime instinct, you've chosen to abandon them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 what's wrong with model's and pornstar's?. Without them how can men survive. I love em both :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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