Harbhajan fighting for Nair - Much respect

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4 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

If the team management feels  he is ordinary, he will rightly prove himself to be ordianary if given a few more chances. But now that he is selected , he deserves a few more chances.

This I agree, there is no consistency on selections. A clear pattern to save careers of certain players, but I really don't think it's regional bias. 

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2 hours ago, gattaca said:

Vihari represents Hyderabad and MSK represents AP two different states.

Potayto, Potaato.. All cut from the same lcloth. 

[UrmiSinhaRay]

I think this management has clear issue with Bangalore players, even Rahul get same kind of treatment in odi and only lately he has been getting regular chances in test. May be something to do with Kumble saga and people endorsed by him.

Definitely has to do with Kumble saga.
I also feel he has been a shikaar of internal team politics.

Now this may sound Gossipy BS but I genuinely feel like Virat wants to play with players who have similar outlook towards life and similar opinions on popular issues.
Not really a big problem since everybody tends to have different values in terms of professional work - but the thing is Virat probably forces players in his team to conform to his ideals that are not really related to cricket.
He's an authoritarian of a very bad kind

Don't think of Nair highly either but Virat is definitely looking to build a group of OTT obnoxious Mini Mes.

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1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

but for me... that is the other way around.... an one down batsman  gets more time to spend at the crease once settled & can play big inns. It happend with  Dravid & Sachin who batted mainly at 3 & 4 .Both avg:ed  in the 50s. But the concerned batsman needs to have the skills to perform like that. Compared to Sachin & Dravid , Ganguly & Laxman avg:ed  lesser.Because the lower the order, the lesser is the chance to construct massive inns in general. Even in no: of 100s ,this disparity is visible. Hence Rahane's  avg: from lower order position is even more credit worthy and Pujara despite having such oppertunities to construct big inns  from 3rd position  having such lower avg: means, it is even more pathetic. THat's my logic. 

Your logic ignores conditions in SENA w/ first session being difficult to bat in vs fresh bowlers  ....  We know that #4 and #5 are better spots to bat at relatively to the top order. Why does Rahane not bat in the top order in SENA, which he does in domestics? If Pujara bats at 5 in SENA, he would avg even more that certified failures like Rahane 

 

Dravid and Sachin are ATG level batsmen and they would do well in most positions. Pujara and Rahane are not ATG level batsmen. While Rahane was carried in the 11 as he supposed to be a SENA specialist but now he is failing in SENA too 

 

[Khota]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

good u fought for nair 

But , why question if vihari fails

 

 

But what if rohit fails again, why didnt u question when nair was dropped for rohit sharma in squad 

question ur own guts, coz u cnt raise a voice agianst someone big like rohit 

instead ur logic goes for toes their

 

Agar vihari fail hua to, hone de pehle

Ur backing someone jo fail hoye jaa rha hai 

 

Dimaag se paidal hi rahega

 

 

His initial point still stands. Why is Nair not in the team? It is about fairness and nothing else.

[rtmohanlal]

14 hours ago, zen said:

Your logic ignores conditions in SENA w/ first session being difficult to bat in vs fresh bowlers  ....  We know that #4 and #5 are better spots to bat at relatively to the top order. Why does Rahane not bat in the top order in SENA, which he does in domestics? If Pujara bats at 5 in SENA, he would avg even more that certified failures like Rahane 

 

Dravid and Sachin are ATG level batsmen and they would do well in most positions. Pujara and Rahane are not ATG level batsmen. While Rahane was carried in the 11 as he supposed to be a SENA specialist but now he is failing in SENA too 

 

the  matter in discussion is not  as to whether 'who is the  better between Pujara & Rahane  in itself'. Infact it is as to who is the better for their respective positions .As far as I know each  player is assigned  a specific position and  there by a role associated with that position.

You need to analyse their performances from that point of view. Also I am speaking too from this team  point of now. I don't care as to who is the better between Pujara & Rahane.You won't find a lot of instances where  batsmen frequently swap their places with in the team.For instance Sachin more often that lot batted at 4 where as  Rahul at 3 .Why?? Because Rahul's job was to see of the new ball too  especially if an opener falls early & then  play the anchor role. Sachin's role was slightly different. Similarly a 6th position batsman Laxman's role was to put as many runs as possible  in the company of tailenders by sheilding them   as much as possible. From that point of view RAHANE has been far better in his role while Pujara has been far off.

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26 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

 From that point of view RAHANE has been far better in his role while Pujara has been far off.

Not at all! Esp considering that Rahane bats at 5 in SENA and is carried in the team as a SENA specialists (his performances at other places are not noteworthy). In SENA, he is supposed to avg 50-60 at least 

 

the more you try, the bigger the hole you dig for your fav Rahane, who has been a total failure everywhere  

 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Not at all! Esp considering that Rahane bats at 5 in SENA and is carried in the team as a SENA specialists (his performances at other places are not noteworthy). In SENA, he is supposed to avg 50-60 at least 

 

the more you try, the bigger the hole you dig for your fav Rahane, who has been a total failure everywhere  

 

Rahane bats at 5th down position and he avg:s 40.9. Ganguly who used to occupy that spot  avg:ed 42.17. Ganguly avg:Ed 42 in SENA while Rahane has almost  40.5 .Yes Ganguly maintained this avg: after playing 113 tests and playing a bit better bowling qlty over all.Rahane still has a bit more to catch up with Ganguly in this regard, I agree.  But as I earlier maintained  ENG is his weakest zone in all of SENA where he played 20 out of 37 inns  in SENA.Means he is yet to play more in his  strong zones  in SENA.

 

Pujara's comparison is with Dravid because of the no:3 batting position.The great Dravid averaged 48.54 in SENA while a pathetic Pujara avg:s a paltry 29.3.See the difference in performance in SENA of Pujara-Dravid when compared to Rahane-Ganguly.This,  despite that Rahane is yet to play his fair share in his strong zones in SENA(all baring ENG)

 

So  for me, as of now  Rahane has done justice to his position  a lot lot more than what Pujara  has done to his.That's why I firmly believe that Pujara is the most deserving to dropped.

Let me tell you clearly again..... I am not at all interested in this tit for tat replies with the intention of defending my claims by any stretch.If I   find sense in what you or any body is  saying ,I am ready to accept that.So let us stop this as of now and see after

the AUS series. If my belief is correct Rahane would perform superbly in AUS because it is his strong zone. Other wise I would agree with you that he is in terminal decline. So let us wait and see.

 

 

Yet another point as to why Rahane is much more important to over all team cause  than Puajara is this. A win is a win ,even if it is by  mere 1  run or by  an inns and 200 runs.  If you go thru the Indian team's performances, you can see that when they win at home they thrash the opponents  mercilessly by huge margins in general.That means even if Pujara would have performed brilliantly  in these matches , 'other batsmen+ low order batsmen' contributions  ensure that team is able to put a lot lot more runs than what is actually required   to beat the opponent(after all  mere 1 run difference  is required to beat a team, isn't it?)

This is in this context  that Rahane becomes such a vital component of this team.Though he is a bit off at home(other batsmen  collectively are more than enough  to compensate for this), he is such a brilliant performer at SENA.He along with Kohli  are the only 2 batsmen as of now who  passes the criteria in SENA.

And taking the nature of loses  in ENG  in the recent series  into context (3 narrow losses) , the failure of Pujara

becomes that more vital.Not only that of Pujara, but  those of other 3 too.Kohli and Rahane can be excused because  they are brilliant in 3 of SENA already(you need to bring batsmen from mars if you want them to be equally good every where).

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[zen]

Just now, rtmohanlal said:

Rahane bats at 5th down position and he avg:s 40.9. Ganguly who used to occupy that spot  avg:ed 42.17. Ganguly avg:Ed 42 in SENA while Rahane has almost  40.5 .Yes Ganguly maintained this avg: after playing 113 tests and playing a bit better bowling qlty over all.Rahane still has a bit more to catch up with Ganguly in this regard, I agree.  But as I earlier maintained  ENG is his weakest zone in all of SENA where he played 20 out of 37 inns  in SENA.Means he is yet to play more in his  strong zones  in SENA.

 

Pujara's comparison is with Dravid because of the no:3 batting position.The great Dravid averaged 48.54 in SENA while a pathetic Pujara avg:s a paltry 29.3.See the difference in performance in SENA of Pujara-Dravid when compared to Rahane-Ganguly.This,  despite that Rahane is yet to play his fair share in his strong zones in SENA(all baring ENG)

 

So  for me, as of now  Rahane has done justice to his position  a lot lot more than what Pujara  has done to his.That's why I firmly believe that Pujara is the most deserving to dropped.

Let me tell you clearly again..... I am not at all interested in this tit for tat replies with the intention of defending my claims by any stretch.If I   find sense in what you or any body is  saying ,I am ready to accept that.So let us stop this as of now and see after

the AUS series. If my belief is correct Rahane would perform superbly in AUS because it is his strong zone. Other wise I would agree with you that he is in terminal decline. So let us wait and see.

Irrelevant analysis as Rahane is played as he is considered a specialist for SENA. While Ganguly was in a different team, which had different strengths and weaknesses, and therefore playing for different reasons. 

 

As a SENA specialist who is carried in the team at other venues, Rahane has been disappointing and should have been kicked out 

 

For supporters like you, I hope at least he gets a 50 somewhere somehow

 

Thanks!