All Rounders do not exist.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, philcric said:

Moeen Ali - 4/92

 

Seriously.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

He is one of the best spin bowlers in his country. Makes it into the side on his bowling alone. Not “forced” as an allrounder

As a spinner he is at best average. No more.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

As a spinner he is at best average. No more.

He is average at best but he is the best they got so he goes in as a spinner first. You saw how he was kicked out against India when rashid became their choice and they had Sam.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You don't keep playing a player who is not good enough becuase you don't have any alternatives. Hardik falls into that category in tests.He is just not good enough in my view.

Good enough??

the guy made 93 in SA .....is that easy

ull say that was jst one innings.....so didnt pujara only played 1 good knock in SA

 

he took a fifer in 6 over in eng and won u the game, is that no perfomance

n check 2nd test in eng he had the best stats among indian bowler

 

ur lack of knowledge doesnt make him bad

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

T20s there is case of playing both of them or none of them but Pant/Karthik needs to give way for Hardik.I really want Pant to keep playing as he is young and he is the future of Indian cricket. They are nowhere near either Russell or Narine.

they havent even played as much as narine or russell, let them 1st play as much 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

For Pandya to become a regular in tests he needs to become much better bowler but he has not shown any improvement in my view.

it doesnt happen over night , these things take time

We have already shown stats of gr8 all rounder in equal number of test hardik has played and hardik was ahead then many 

 

So that makes it clear all rounder develop over a period of time 

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He is average at best but he is the best they got so he goes in as a spinner first. You saw how he was kicked out against India when rashid became their choice and they had Sam.

Agreed, he is the best they got which does not say much.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Good enough??

the guy made 93 in SA .....is that easy

ull say that was jst one innings.....so didnt pujara only played 1 good knock in SA

 

he took a fifer in 6 over in eng and won u the game, is that no perfomance

n check 2nd test in eng he had the best stats among indian bowler

 

ur lack of knowledge doesnt make him bad

they havent even played as much as narine or russell, let them 1st play as much 

it doesnt happen over night , these things take time

We have already shown stats of gr8 all rounder in equal number of test hardik has played and hardik was ahead then many 

 

So that makes it clear all rounder develop over a period of time 

Pujara stunk , so we keep playing Pandya is ridiculous logic.

 

Stuart Binny also scored 78 in England .Stuart Binny has best odi figures in Indian cricket history , that does not mean I want him in Indian team as an allrounder.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pujara stunk , so we keep playing Pandya is ridiculous logic.

Pandya did well thats why we will play him 

he gives us balance thats why we play him 

 

also i dnt see u saying drop pujara 

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Stuart Binny also scored 78 in England .Stuart Binny has best odi figures in Indian cricket history , that does not mean I want him in Indian team as an allrounder.

yea and the minute we dropped binny in england we lost the match, he didnt do bad till he played

he also played an important role in winning series in SL

 

Hardik pandya someone better came along so binny chapter over, the day we find someone better then pandya ill be the 1st one to say drop pandya 

 

till then 1st question ur specialist batsman perfomances who are doing equal n less then pandya n getting away coz he is being made the scapegoat.....atleast he helped us winning a test what are other batsman apart from kohli doing in their 2-3 overseas cycle

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, Khota said:

Agreed, he is the best they got which does not say much.

But England is building their team totally different.All most everyone in their line up can bat and all of them except Jimmy can score 50 at any given time.Still they have added a pure spinner like Leach to compliment guys like Rashid and Ali.

 

India is not built that way, so for India guy like Hardik will not work in tests.

 

Still England will get exposed against strong team on flat pitches even with all allrounders.In tests there is no subsitute for quality.If Pujara, Vijay or Rahane are not good enough find someone who is good enough but don't keep playing guy like Pandya for so called balance.

 

 

 

 

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya did well thats why we will play him 

he gives us balance thats why we play him 

 

also i dnt see u saying drop pujara 

yea and the minute we dropped binny in england we lost the match, he didnt do bad till he played

he also played an important role in winning series in SL

 

Hardik pandya someone better came along so binny chapter over, the day we find someone better then pandya ill be the 1st one to say drop pandya 

 

till then 1st question ur specialist batsman perfomances who are doing equal n less then pandya n getting away coz he is being made the scapegoat.....atleast he helped us winning a test what are other batsman apart from kohli doing in their 2-3 overseas cycle

 

Look at reply down below. You don't keep playing guys like Pandya for so called balance. If batsmen don't do well find someone who is good .No need to force feed guy like Pandya.

 

Binny was never going to answer to anything India was looking for, Pandya falls in same category.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Look at reply down below. You don't keep playing guys like Pandya for so called balance. If batsmen don't do well find someone who is good .No need to force feed guy like Pandya.

So find better batsman who knws u might find part timers in that 

 

U also dnt sacrfice ur balance for non perfoming specialist and put extra burden on bowler who already play all formats 

 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Binny was never going to answer to anything India was looking for, Pandya falls in same category.

he still contributed to the team more then our regular no.6 rohit sharma then and it helped us win or draw games

and thats what matters contribution not the tittle 

[putrevus]

40 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So find better batsman who knws u might find part timers in that 

 

U also dnt sacrfice ur balance for non perfoming specialist and put extra burden on bowler who already play all formats 

 

he still contributed to the team more then our regular no.6 rohit sharma then and it helped us win or draw games

and thats what matters contribution not the tittle 

You are right finding better batsmen is the answer.Not bits and pieces players like Pandya. Rahane and Vijay were supposed to be the answer but they stunk along with Pujara.This will their last chance and hopefully we find batsmen who are more than just HTB.

 

I am not against Pandya but I don't find Pandya improving and India is wasting golden years of Kohli and very good performances of bowlers due to these inept players.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

You are right finding better batsmen is the answer.Not bits and pieces players like Pandya. Rahane and Vijay were supposed to be the answer but they stunk along with Pujara.This will their last chance and hopefully we find batsmen who are more than just HTB.

 

I am not against Pandya but I don't find Pandya improving and India is wasting golden years of Kohli and very good performances of bowlers due to these inept players.

In England a proper batsman would have done it and in these T20's a proper batsman would have done it.

 

Anybody who thinks Roger Binny amounted to anything makes you second guess everything.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

In England a proper batsman would have done it and in these T20's a proper batsman would have done it.

We played so many proper batsman on that tour why didnt they ????

pandya scored a 50 atleast........dhawan didnt on whole tour , neither did karthik 

 

hadnt it been for pandya we wnt have even won that 1 test

 

But we won t20 series in england , what more did u want and hardik played a huge role specialy in last game when bowlers were tonked aroundhe came took 4 wkts n changed the game

3 hours ago, Khota said:

 

Anybody who thinks Roger Binny amounted to anything makes you second guess everything.

roger binny son has made 78 in 2014 and saved a test match for us and we won the next test when we had him

the minute we dropped him n played a proper batsman we lost the test match

 

Stuart has a 78 in eng saving the test, dhawan whom u were so vocal about doesnt have a single 50 on 2 tours of england ....

[Global.Baba]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We played so many proper batsman on that tour why didnt they ????

pandya scored a 50 atleast........dhawan didnt on whole tour , neither did karthik 

 

hadnt it been for pandya we wnt have even won that 1 test

 

But we won t20 series in england , what more did u want and hardik played a huge role specialy in last game when bowlers were tonked aroundhe came took 4 wkts n changed the game

roger binny son has made 78 in 2014 and saved a test match for us and we won the next test when we had him

the minute we dropped him n played a proper batsman we lost the test match

 

Stuart has a 78 in eng saving the test, dhawan whom u were so vocal about doesnt have a single 50 on 2 tours of england ....

And how long of a career did Binny have? 

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

And how long of a career did Binny have? 

how does that matter, we are talking about the playing specialist vs all rounder and the myth that specialist wud have done more then all rounder 

 

wo kitna khela ka baat nhin atleast kuch krke to gaya 

[Global.Baba]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how does that matter, we are talking about the playing specialist vs all rounder and the myth that specialist wud have done more then all rounder 

 

wo kitna khela ka baat nhin atleast kuch krke to gaya 

Binny was in the right place at the right time. His bowling had 0 impact on that test and sure he played a good innings which any batsman “might” have played. Doesn’t prove that it was because of playing him like an allrounder we benefitted. Now I know your next point about picking a specialist bat for the next test, said this many times, if a lower order bat outscores a top

ordrer bat then the problem is with the too

order bat. You don’t start promoting the tailenders.

[Global.Baba]

@Ankit_sharma03 for the millionth time. Every great allrounder who have had in the last 50

Years was played as a specialist and then evolved into a allrounder. 

 

Only exceptions are recently Shakib, Ben Stokes and Jason Holder.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Global.Baba

[Global.Baba]

Kapil,Botham,Imran,Haddlee,Marshall- bowlers first

 

Pollock,Wasim Akram,Mitchell Johnson,Flintoff -bowler first

 

Kallis,Sobers,Cronje,Watson-batsmen first

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Global.Baba

[Ankit_sharma03]

24 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

@Ankit_sharma03 for the millionth time. Every great allrounder who have had in the last 50

Years was played as a specialist and then evolved into a allrounder. 

 

Only exceptions are recently Shakib, Ben Stokes and Jason Holder.

when u use the word evolve u hve to understand ur talking about a period of time and lets give that to these guys and they are contributing

have problem when they are not 

[Global.Baba]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

when u use the word evolve u hve to understand ur talking about a period of time and lets give that to these guys and they are contributing

have problem when they are not 

No when I said evolve, they were still performing in their primary role remarkably well but showing sparks of brilliance in the other skill set.