Not playing a spinner was huge mistake

[putrevus]

Those who say Jadeja would have been worse than Yadav, have to think again. Jadeja would have given more depth in batting and also the spinner is highest wicket taker in this match. Jadeja would have done very well.

 

Selecting Yadav and those useless openers are the reason why India is not 2-0 in the series. 

[Trichromatic]

Yadav's return was one of the worst in last 3 years. Neither Ashwin nor Jadeja have been this bad and this wasn't even flat pitch.

 

Match totals

Player	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	Econ	Ave	SR		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
I Sharma	22.0	4	101	1	4.59	101.00	132.0		v England	Lord's	9 Aug 2018
Mohammed Shami	55.0	10	182	2	3.30	91.00	165.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
UT Yadav	37.0	3	139	2	3.75	69.50	111.0		v Australia	Perth	14 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	29.0	5	134	2	4.62	67.00	87.0		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	53.0	13	144	3	2.71	48.00	106.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
JJ Bumrah	42.0	9	130	3	3.09	43.33	84.0		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
A Mishra	35.3	9	128	3	3.60	42.66	71.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
R Ashwin	51.5	10	124	3	2.39	41.33	103.6		v England	Southampton	30 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	68.2	16	191	5	2.79	38.20	82.0		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
RA Jadeja	77.0	3	258	7	3.35	36.85	66.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
I Sharma	28.0	4	109	3	3.89	36.33	56.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
A Mishra	34.2	7	104	3	3.02	34.66	68.6		v West Indies	North Sound	21 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	31.4	4	102	3	3.22	34.00	63.3		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	30.2	2	112	4	3.69	28.00	45.5		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018
R Ashwin	46.0	6	166	6	3.60	27.66	46.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	29.0	6	105	4	3.62	26.25	43.5		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
I Sharma	29.0	6	102	4	3.51	25.50	43.5		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	86.5	22	149	6	1.71	24.83	86.8		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	36.4	10	123	5	3.35	24.60	44.0		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	48.0	11	136	6	2.83	22.66	48.0		v Australia	Perth	14 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	31.0	5	107	5	3.45	21.40	37.2		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
B Kumar	30.0	9	120	6	4.00	20.00	30.0		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018
JJ Bumrah	48.0	17	115	6	2.39	19.16	48.0		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
R Ashwin	42.0	13	126	7	3.00	18.00	36.0		v West Indies	North Sound	21 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	34.0	2	108	6	3.17	18.00	34.0		v England	Southampton	30 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	41.2	10	122	7	2.95	17.42	35.4		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	47.0	11	121	7	2.57	17.28	40.2		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	39.5	5	111	7	2.78	15.85	34.1		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018

[Jamadagni]

8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Yadav's return was one of the worst in last 3 years. Neither Ashwin nor Jadeja have been this bad and this wasn't even flat pitch.

 

Match totals

Player	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	Econ	Ave	SR		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
I Sharma	22.0	4	101	1	4.59	101.00	132.0		v England	Lord's	9 Aug 2018
Mohammed Shami	55.0	10	182	2	3.30	91.00	165.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
UT Yadav	37.0	3	139	2	3.75	69.50	111.0		v Australia	Perth	14 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	29.0	5	134	2	4.62	67.00	87.0		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	53.0	13	144	3	2.71	48.00	106.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
JJ Bumrah	42.0	9	130	3	3.09	43.33	84.0		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
A Mishra	35.3	9	128	3	3.60	42.66	71.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
R Ashwin	51.5	10	124	3	2.39	41.33	103.6		v England	Southampton	30 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	68.2	16	191	5	2.79	38.20	82.0		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
RA Jadeja	77.0	3	258	7	3.35	36.85	66.0		v England	The Oval	7 Sep 2018
I Sharma	28.0	4	109	3	3.89	36.33	56.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
A Mishra	34.2	7	104	3	3.02	34.66	68.6		v West Indies	North Sound	21 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	31.4	4	102	3	3.22	34.00	63.3		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	30.2	2	112	4	3.69	28.00	45.5		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018
R Ashwin	46.0	6	166	6	3.60	27.66	46.0		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	29.0	6	105	4	3.62	26.25	43.5		v West Indies	Kingston	30 Jul 2016
I Sharma	29.0	6	102	4	3.51	25.50	43.5		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	86.5	22	149	6	1.71	24.83	86.8		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	36.4	10	123	5	3.35	24.60	44.0		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	48.0	11	136	6	2.83	22.66	48.0		v Australia	Perth	14 Dec 2018
Mohammed Shami	31.0	5	107	5	3.45	21.40	37.2		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018
B Kumar	30.0	9	120	6	4.00	20.00	30.0		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018
JJ Bumrah	48.0	17	115	6	2.39	19.16	48.0		v Australia	Adelaide	6 Dec 2018
R Ashwin	42.0	13	126	7	3.00	18.00	36.0		v West Indies	North Sound	21 Jul 2016
Mohammed Shami	34.0	2	108	6	3.17	18.00	34.0		v England	Southampton	30 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	41.2	10	122	7	2.95	17.42	35.4		v England	Nottingham	18 Aug 2018
R Ashwin	47.0	11	121	7	2.57	17.28	40.2		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018
JJ Bumrah	39.5	5	111	7	2.78	15.85	34.1		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018

Kohli probably thought an extra pacer would be more useful than a spinner on this pitch. He is no astrologer to predict Umesh would bowl this worse or else why would he go with him? As I said, poor management don't have the same luxury of hindsight like we do. 

[Jamadagni]

29 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Here is what happened in 2 tests:

 

1. India were 127-6, with Ashwin Pujara added 62 runs and total 123 with entire tail. Here India added total 32 runs from 251-5. 

 

2. India got 1 wicket in first session of day 1 at Adelaide, after that there wasn't any breakthrough in sight. After that Ashwin removed Harris and Marsh before Lunch, Khawaja after lunch. Pacer got next wicket in 57th over. It wasn't much different for pacers at Perth either. Pacers managed 2 wickets in first 50 wickets before coming to party.

 

Ashwin bowled 50 overs relentlessly allowing Bumrah and others to bowl at full steam in 2nd inn. Captain wasn't even willing to give bowl to Yadav for his freebies.

1. Irrelevant as we are talking about bowling. 

 

2. He did bowl well on the first day of  first test but then back to his usual tripe in second innings. Very similar to England tour, started off well in the first test and then it was all downhill.

 

[Jamadagni]

44 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Ashwin won Adelaide 2018 test. 

No, he didn't. Pujara was the major contributor to the win. 

[Jamadagni]

53 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Sorry, disagree.  Umesh and Vihari leaked runs at 3.8 runs per over on D1 - At a minimum Jadeja would have kept things quiet at one end.  40 fewer runs on D1 could have have a major impact on this test.  And Jadeja would have contributed with the bat as well.  Jadeja's bowling gets constantly under-rated because steady accurate left-arm spin isn't sexy like wrist-spin.   

 

5 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Kohli probably thought an extra pacer would be more useful than a spinner on this pitch. He is no astrologer to predict Umesh would bowl this worse or else why would he go with him? As I said, poor management don't have the same luxury of hindsight like we do. 

 

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

No, he didn't. Pujara was the major contributor to the win. 

1 person doesn't win match. Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Ashwin and Bumrah won it.

[Trichromatic]

13 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

1. Irrelevant as we are talking about bowling. 

 

2. He did bowl well on the first day of  first test but then back to his usual tripe in second innings. Very similar to England tour, started off well in the first test and then it was all downhill.

  

1 is very much relevant as bowlers defend what batsmen score.

 

Yadav didn't bowl well at any time.

[Trichromatic]

15 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Kohli probably thought an extra pacer would be more useful than a spinner on this pitch. He is no astrologer to predict Umesh would bowl this worse or else why would he go with him? As I said, poor management don't have the same luxury of hindsight like we do. 

Define more useful. What was expectation and how much better was he expected to be better than spinner?

[Jamadagni]

7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Define more useful. What was expectation and how much better was he expected to be better than spinner?

Exepectation that it would be a bouncy pitch and a paradise for fast bowlers which it actually is. Remember 3rd test vs SA earlier? Of course, that one was way more helpful for pace bowlers, but still this one isnt bad for them. 

[Jamadagni]

13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

1 is very much relevant as bowlers defend what batsmen score.

 

Yadav didn't bowl well at any time.

Should always select your best 4 bowlers irrespective of their batting ability. Team management thought the selected 4 bowlers were most suited for this pitch and went along with it. Why is that difficult to understand? 

[Trichromatic]

11 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Exepectation that it would be a bouncy pitch and a paradise for fast bowlers which it actually is. Remember 3rd test vs SA earlier? Of course, that one was way more helpful for pace bowlers, but still this one isnt bad for them. 

What was expectation from Yadav. Define that more useful part.

[Trichromatic]

9 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Should always select your best 4 bowlers irrespective of their batting ability. Team management thought the selected 4 bowlers were most suited for this pitch and went along with it. Why is that difficult to understand? 

And Yadav isn't part of that best 4. How is that difficult to understand that your 4th best bowler is not better than 2 world class spinner on any pitch.

[Jamadagni]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

What was expectation from Yadav. Define that more useful part.

A fast bowler would always be more useful in Australia, especially in Perth, more so on this pitch, than any finger spinner. Yadav is a fast bowler and Jadeja is a finger spinner. 

[Jamadagni]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

And Yadav isn't part of that best 4. How is that difficult to understand that your 4th best bowler is not better than 2 world class spinner on any pitch.

He is part of the best 4 for this pitch. And no, they are not world class spinners overseas. 

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Should always select your best 4 bowlers irrespective of their batting ability. Team management thought the selected 4 bowlers were most suited for this pitch and went along with it. Why is that difficult to understand? 

Because team management is wrong and there rarely, if ever, is a pace quartet that is better than 1 spinner in the side. Last time this was the case consistently, was with South Africa in the 90s and they still played a spinner more often than not. 

 

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

He is part of the best 4 for this pitch. And no, they are not world class spinners overseas. 

No, he is not. This is why Lyon has the most wickets so far in the Aussie innings. When home spinner out-does the 3 other pacers in the side, its time to put away the excuses folder and just admit they facked up. 

 

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

A fast bowler would always be more useful in Australia, especially in Perth, more so on this pitch, than any finger spinner. Yadav is a fast bowler and Jadeja is a finger spinner. 

4th pacer is not going to be more useful on any pitch than a world class spinner.

[Jamadagni]

17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

4th pacer is not going to be more useful on any pitch than a world class spinner.

3rd test in SA. 

[Jamadagni]

19 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No, he is not. This is why Lyon has the most wickets so far in the Aussie innings. When home spinner out-does the 3 other pacers in the side, its time to put away the excuses folder and just admit they facked up. 

 

Exactly that's what I meant. As Lyon is world class, he is taking heaps of wickets, our useless lot cannot. Heck our spinners got over bowled by Moeen of all people. Don't have much faith in our spinners.