Team for Australia series

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

In List-A,  Rahul has a career average of 36.8  at a SR of 73.5 after 54 matches. (    His ODI average is even worse, with marginally better SR, albeit in only 13 matches  )

 

So   his ODI batting ability is definitely in doubt.

 

 

look at s/r 73.5, that wud have been when he was a diff batsman and in recent times the guy bats at s/r far better then any in t20 among top order . 

ODi - he has played 12 just 12 that to all over the order. 

 

Ability - can make big runs , can score fast ...whats the problem with ability. Just needs to get his game plan right but for that he needs to play and given one order for some time. 

We can say that about someone like DK who has a sample size of 80 matches, 12 odi is not even a sample . By that logic we shud also shut the case for pant whose list A avg is 30 and ODI -20 

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

look at s/r 73.5, that wud have been when he was a diff batsman and in recent times the guy bats at s/r far better then any in t20 among top order . 

ODi - he has played 12 just 12 that to all over the order. 

 

Ability - can make big runs , can score fast ...whats the problem with ability. Just needs to get his game plan right but for that he needs to play and given one order for some time. 

We can say that about someone like DK who has a sample size of 80 matches, 12 odi is not even a sample . By that logic we shud also shut the case for pant whose list A avg is 30 and ODI -20 

 

ODI ability and T20 ability are not the same.

 

Hitting big shots is not enough in ODIs unless one bats at No.7 or No.6.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

ODI ability and T20 ability are not the same.

 

Hitting big shots is not enough in ODIs unless one bats at No.7 or No.6.

 

 

We are not talking about someone like pollard, the guys has 100 in eng n aus ...so he knws how to build an innings . He did get a 100 on his debut u can zimb but then again is their a doubt that he cant play better attacks . Hitting ability is needed at every position these days , varna rahane pujara kya bure the . 

 

Rahul just needs to get his game plan right about ODI and if his given a consistent run and position he will . Its a failure of management that he was sat on bench when he was in form and given more chances when he lost his form. 

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We are not talking about someone like pollard, the guys has 100 in eng n aus ...so he knws how to build an innings . He did get a 100 on his debut u can zimb but then again is their a doubt that he cant play better attacks . Hitting ability is needed at every position these days , varna rahane pujara kya bure the . 

 

Rahul just needs to get his game plan right about ODI and if his given a consistent run and position he will . Its a failure of management that he was sat on bench when he was in form and given more chances when he lost his form. 

 

We can't develop a player with so few games left before the WC.  Where is the time to give him a consistent run  ?

 

Rahul is definitely not a finished product yet for the ÒDI format 

 

And in ODIs,  it is not just about building an innings but also about rotating strike constantly under pressure.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2019 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We can't develop a player with so few games left before the WC.  Where is the time to give him a consistent run  ?

 

Rahul is definitely not a finished product yet for the ÒDI format 

Rahul, pant both are not but here is catch it depends what strategy we wanna go for 

Safety- Rayudu, DK (coz we knw what we will get )

Gamble - pant, Rahul ( we or opp knw what we will get )

 

These guys wud be on bench so why not go for gamble. 

and beside what is the option for 3rd opener- Rahane??? Shaw or mayank who are way more inexperienced then rahul...rahul batting is more evolved to 

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And in ODIs,  it is not just about building an innings but also about rotating strike constantly under pressure.

 

 

Seen his strike rotation in t20 its good and a lot depend on partner as well . Hopefully these guys can bat around Kohli n Dhoni in all games wnt happen but if it happens they can pick their brains. I do remember his IPL breakthrough season  with RCB he was doing very well in terms of rotation . Its obv will get better with time

[flamy]

Excellent squad

 

Makes perfect sense to give Pant and Rahul a go, and to give Kohli and Bumrah game time. Also, the openers need as much game time as possible because both of them look out of touch.

 

No Undiekut, although I didn't think that would happen. 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

We can't develop a player with so few games left before the WC.  Where is the time to give him a consistent run  ?

 

Rahul is definitely not a finished product yet for the ÒDI format 

 

And in ODIs,  it is not just about building an innings but also about rotating strike constantly under pressure.

 

 

There is no planning. It's all chaos. We had 4 years to plan and develop team. Look where we are few months before the WC. Same rinse , repeat and search for talent. Was are struggling for even playing 11 for few spots after having had 4 years to work upon . 

[express bowling]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rahul, pant both are not but here is catch it depends what strategy we wanna go for 

Safety- Rayudu, DK (coz we knw what we will get )

Gamble - pant, Rahul ( we or opp knw what we will get )

 

These guys wud be on bench so why not go for gamble. 

and beside what is the option for 3rd opener- Rahane??? Shaw or mayank who are way more inexperienced then rahul...rahul batting is more evolved to 

Seen his strike rotation in t20 its good and a lot depend on partner as well . Hopefully these guys can bat around Kohli n Dhoni in all games wnt happen but if it happens they can pick their brains. I do remember his IPL breakthrough season  with RCB he was doing very well in terms of rotation . Its obv will get better with time

 

Rayudu is a certainty.  Does not enter into this discussion.

 

Pant is better than DK, so he makes the cut for me.  

 

Rahul's biggest issue has been the negative frame of mind he has been in the last few months.  

[GautiMaan]

10 hours ago, flamy said:

Excellent squad

 

Makes perfect sense to give Pant and Rahul a go, and to give Kohli and Bumrah game time. Also, the openers need as much game time as possible because both of them look out of touch.

 

No Undiekut, although I didn't think that would happen. 

How are you going to fit all of them into the XI

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Rahul's biggest issue has been the negative frame of mind he has been in the last few months.  

doesnt mean he wnt get out of it, every players goes through n comes out of it as well 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Rayudu is a certainty.  Does not enter into this discussion.

 

Pant is better than DK, so he makes the cut for me.  

 

Rahul's biggest issue has been the negative frame of mind he has been in the last few months.  

Rahul was damn pathetic against England Lions in the 3 ODI' s. I just checked that he was 14th highest run scorer in the ODI series. We have to consider he played two matches less, but still there were players who scored more runs than him even after playing just 2 or 3 ODI's. He was supposed to be top scorer considering he is most experienced of them all and he is playing at one level lower.

 

Even English batsmen adapted to Indian conditions much better. Billings, Duckett, Mullaney, Pope and Jacks had better average than Rahul even though they were playing away from home. Rahul's strike rate was horrible as well.

 

Players who played as many matches or less than Rahul but scored more. 4 of them do not even have international ODI experience.

 

Player Matches / Runs

 

Hanuma Vihari 3 / 124

Shreyas Iyer 3 / 123

Pant 2 / 80

Ishan Kishan 3 /  90

Mullaney 3 / 66

Edited February 16, 2019 by Straight Drive

[flamy]

1 hour ago, GautiMaan said:

How are you going to fit all of them into the XI

Rahul instead of Rayudu, Pant in place of Karthik

Rotation time for this series, giving everyone game time.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

doesnt mean he wnt get out of it, every players goes through n comes out of it as well 

 

And that risk is worth taking ( before the WC ) only for a proven ODI performer.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

51 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And that risk is worth taking ( before the WC ) only for a proven ODI performer.

 

 

Wc has time left , a player is always few innings away from getting in or out of form 

Risk??? high chance he ll be warming the bench 

N who exactly is a proven ODI backup opener ?

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Wc has time left , a player is always few innings away from getting in or out of form 

 

Rahul has been usually inconsistent or out of form in both tests and ODIs, throughout his career.  Late 2016 to early 2017 in tests was the only exception to this.

 

So, in his case, we don't know how far his form is away.  

 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

N who exactly is a proven ODI backup opener ?

 

No one ... but someone like Shaw has much more hunger for success compared to Rahul.  Moreover, Shaw does not have the mental-baggage of failure to deal with and is anyway a higher SR 50-over batsman.

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Rahul has been usually inconsistent or out of form in both tests and ODIs, throughout his career.  Late 2016 to early 2017 in tests was the only exception to this.

 

So, in his case, we don't know how far his form is away.  

HE mostly played overseas test which is tough on anyone specially in 1st cycle 

Pujara took 2 cycles , yet was consistent only this aussie tour or 2nd one in Sa 

Rahane is yet to find it 

Vijay was never

 

Rahul was consistent in t20 

Never given consistent run in odi , so cant even say 

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

No one ... but someone like Shaw has much more hunger for success compared to Rahul.  Moreover, Shaw does not have the mental-baggage of failure to deal with and is anyway a higher SR 50-over batsman.

How do u evaluate shaw is more hungry ..just becoz he is in a better frame of mind doesnt mean he is more hungry 

Mental baggage of failure is also experience which helps a player become better, players become better after their failure only.

Failurs also makes a player hungry and add to it the backlash he faced for recent episode wud have made him more hungry only

 

We all saw in IPL how rahul was ahead of shaw in terms of how evolve his batting was , yes currently shaw is in a better space of mind but things can change fast . Their is still time left till Wc . 

 

Also do u really think this team mngmt wud hve gone to shaw , no instead they wud have gone to rahane