Vk1 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, zen said: That was a time when many players were averaging in the 30-40 range including Yuvi, Raina, Kaif, VVS .... Except for yuvi who played in middle order, no one else from your list were expected to avg high. Sehwag is a superstar and it's strange that he never really did well in odis against top teams on flat pitches.. Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Vk1 said: Except for yuvi who played in middle order, no one else from your list were expected to avg high. Sehwag is a superstar and it's strange that he never really did well in odis against top teams on flat pitches.. who would not like Sehwag to do better .... but when I look at players similar to him (or playing similar roles for their team), an avg of 37 with a SR of 105 is good. Gilly is around that mark. Jayasuriya is slightly lower .... Gayle's SR is around 87 Other opener from that era, Hayden averages 44, but his SR is 79. Gilly is 37 with a SR of 98. Do we want Gilly to avg like Hayden and also go at a SR of 98, definitely! But there are likely to be tradeoffs in an imperfect world .... When we group players such as Jayasuriya, Gilly and Sehwag together, we can see the top openers who went with a SR of around 95, avg around 35-37 range over a course of 200+ ODIs in that period PS b/w 2008 and 2011, Viru was simply phenomenal View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 1 Jan 2012 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 2008-2011 62 61 2 2794 219 47.35 2271 123.02 7 12 2 381 61 SK Raina 2008-2011 99 87 17 2638 116* 37.68 2687 98.17 3 17 6 220 66 SR Tendulkar 2008-2011 46 45 4 2149 200* 52.41 2311 92.99 7 8 1 234 24 G Gambhir 2008-2011 87 83 8 3357 150* 44.76 3692 90.92 7 22 6 354 13 Yuvraj Singh 2008-2011 79 75 12 2478 138* 39.33 2758 89.84 5 15 5 256 63 MS Dhoni 2008-2011 100 89 27 3659 124 59.01 4343 84.25 4 26 1 264 55 V Kohli 2008-2011 74 71 10 2860 118 46.88 3407 83.94 8 18 5 274 15 RG Sharma 2008-2011 68 65 16 1749 114 35.69 2213 79.03 2 10 5 122 20 Edited February 19, 2019 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Talking about Sehwag, during the last phase of his career he scored a 90 odd in an IPL game. When taking the MoM, he said that his kid was being teased by other kids that "Sehwag is done" so with this inning, he hopes that will not be the case anymore (or something to that order) Vk1 1 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, zen said: who would not like Sehwag to do better .... but when I look at players similar to him (or playing similar roles for their team), an avg of 37 with a SR of 105 is good. Gilly is around that mark. Jayasuriya is slightly lower .... Gayle's SR is around 87 Other opener from that era, Hayden averages 44, but his SR is 79. Gilly is 37 with a SR of 98. Do we want Gilly to avg like Hayden and also go at a SR of 98, definitely! But there are likely to be tradeoffs in an imperfect world .... When we group players such as Jayasuriya, Gilly and Sehwag together, we can see the top openers who went with a SR of around 95, avg around 35-37 range over a course of 200+ ODIs in that period PS b/w 2008 and 2011, Viru was simply phenomenal View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 1 Jan 2012 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 2008-2011 62 61 2 2794 219 47.35 2271 123.02 7 12 2 381 61 SK Raina 2008-2011 99 87 17 2638 116* 37.68 2687 98.17 3 17 6 220 66 SR Tendulkar 2008-2011 46 45 4 2149 200* 52.41 2311 92.99 7 8 1 234 24 G Gambhir 2008-2011 87 83 8 3357 150* 44.76 3692 90.92 7 22 6 354 13 Yuvraj Singh 2008-2011 79 75 12 2478 138* 39.33 2758 89.84 5 15 5 256 63 MS Dhoni 2008-2011 100 89 27 3659 124 59.01 4343 84.25 4 26 1 264 55 V Kohli 2008-2011 74 71 10 2860 118 46.88 3407 83.94 8 18 5 274 15 RG Sharma 2008-2011 68 65 16 1749 114 35.69 2213 79.03 2 10 5 122 20 Yeah when you see it with that phenomenal strike rate it looks good. But the point is that he has poor returns against top teams of those days and thats a negative. Nikola 1 Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Vk1 said: Yeah when you see it with that phenomenal strike rate it looks good. But the point is that he has poor returns against top teams of those days and thats a negative. Top teams of his time - Aus and SA had top notch bowling and fielding. So a slight opportunity (or even a half chances) gets taken if you are not careful enough (and trying to blast the bowlers) .... I would not be surprised if the avgs of many of our batsmen took a hit (vs overall career avgs) vs these teams PS in tests vs these same sides, he has smashed them all around. Has a great record in Pak and vs Murali in SL as well so ability is not in question (shot selection may be) Edited February 19, 2019 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 @Vk1 If we take the 1999-2007 period when some of the top bowlers were bowling for Aus and SA View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or South Africa Start of match date between 1 Jan 1999 and 1 Jan 2008 Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 and matches played greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 14 of 14 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 2001-2006 30 29 1 722 82 25.78 822 87.83 0 5 3 96 10 MS Dhoni 2005-2007 18 15 2 392 58 30.15 450 87.11 0 3 1 32 12 Yuvraj Singh 2000-2007 38 36 4 1144 139 35.75 1327 86.20 3 4 3 126 14 HK Badani 2001-2004 10 8 1 274 100 39.14 334 82.03 1 1 0 23 4 SC Ganguly 1999-2007 49 47 3 1643 141* 37.34 2126 77.28 4 9 3 175 37 SR Tendulkar 1999-2007 58 58 0 2124 139 36.62 2763 76.87 4 11 2 261 16 VVS Laxman 2000-2006 22 21 2 743 106* 39.10 969 76.67 4 2 1 65 1 RR Singh 1999-2001 18 18 4 442 75 31.57 593 74.53 0 2 1 22 6 M Kaif 2002-2006 18 17 3 311 95* 22.21 453 68.65 0 1 1 28 3 R Dravid 1999-2007 59 57 3 1745 80 32.31 2567 67.97 0 17 4 165 4 A Jadeja 1999-2000 13 12 3 359 100* 39.88 533 67.35 1 1 2 24 6 D Mongia 2001-2006 11 10 2 238 63* 29.75 363 65.56 0 2 0 20 0 IK Pathan 2005-2007 13 12 2 194 47* 19.40 302 64.23 0 0 3 19 6 He is the only opener scoring at a SR of 85+ vs the firing opening bowlers Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, zen said: That was a time when many players were averaging in the 30-40 range including Yuvi, Raina, Kaif, VVS .... Yuvi was inconsistent most of his career. Others were average to poor. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, zen said: Top teams of his time - Aus and SA had top notch bowling and fielding. So a slight opportunity (or even a half chances) gets taken if you are not careful enough (and trying to blast the bowlers) .... I would not be surprised if the avgs of many of our batsmen took a hit (vs overall career avgs) vs these teams PS in tests vs these same sides, he has smashed them all around. Has a great record in Pak and vs Murali in SL as well so ability is not in question (shot selection may be) SA still has top notch bowling. Edited February 19, 2019 by rkt.india Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, zen said: @Vk1 If we take the 1999-2007 period when some of the top bowlers were bowling for Aus and SA View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or South Africa Start of match date between 1 Jan 1999 and 1 Jan 2008 Batting position between 1 and 7 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 and matches played greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 14 of 14 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 2001-2006 30 29 1 722 82 25.78 822 87.83 0 5 3 96 10 MS Dhoni 2005-2007 18 15 2 392 58 30.15 450 87.11 0 3 1 32 12 Yuvraj Singh 2000-2007 38 36 4 1144 139 35.75 1327 86.20 3 4 3 126 14 HK Badani 2001-2004 10 8 1 274 100 39.14 334 82.03 1 1 0 23 4 SC Ganguly 1999-2007 49 47 3 1643 141* 37.34 2126 77.28 4 9 3 175 37 SR Tendulkar 1999-2007 58 58 0 2124 139 36.62 2763 76.87 4 11 2 261 16 VVS Laxman 2000-2006 22 21 2 743 106* 39.10 969 76.67 4 2 1 65 1 RR Singh 1999-2001 18 18 4 442 75 31.57 593 74.53 0 2 1 22 6 M Kaif 2002-2006 18 17 3 311 95* 22.21 453 68.65 0 1 1 28 3 R Dravid 1999-2007 59 57 3 1745 80 32.31 2567 67.97 0 17 4 165 4 A Jadeja 1999-2000 13 12 3 359 100* 39.88 533 67.35 1 1 2 24 6 D Mongia 2001-2006 11 10 2 238 63* 29.75 363 65.56 0 2 0 20 0 IK Pathan 2005-2007 13 12 2 194 47* 19.40 302 64.23 0 0 3 19 6 He is the only opener scoring at a SR of 85+ vs the firing opening bowlers Strike rate is high but what about avg of 25? just 5 50+ scores? that means he fails in 80% matches? Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: SA still has top notch bowling. I was referring to how the bowling + fielding combination was a notch above other teams Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nikola said: Strike rate is high but what about avg of 25? just 5 50+ scores? that means he fails in 80% matches? 9 wkts to still follow (after a few demoralized bowlers) Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, zen said: 9 wkts to still follow (after a few demoralized bowlers) who gets demoralized by strike rate of 87 and avg of 25? Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Nikola said: who gets demoralized by strike rate of 87 and avg of 25? That is an “avg” .... in the context of the opposition, era and his peer, it is acceptable Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, zen said: That is an “avg” .... in the context of the opposition, era and his peer, it is acceptable avg of 25 in any era is unacceptable even in gavaskar's era. Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Nikola said: avg of 25 in any era is unacceptable even in gavaskar's era. For special players like Sehwag, everything is acceptable Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, zen said: For special players like Sehwag, everything is acceptable Yeah special players played special knocks against special bowlers. Quick fire runs. Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nikola said: Yeah special players played special knocks against special bowlers. Quick fire runs. Who cares? He has a decent avg and a relatively high SR (avgs and SRs of others are posted here) Anyways, I do not see a point of your posts .... if you think Sehwag is not good, don’t pick him for WC 2019 Link to comment
Nikola Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, zen said: Anyways, I do not see a point of your posts .... if you think Sehwag is not good, don’t pick him for WC 2019 Quote Who cares? He has a decent avg and a relatively high SR (avgs and SRs of others are posted here) If avg of 25 is decent then rohit is bradman of this era. Edited February 19, 2019 by Nikola Link to comment
zen Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nikola said: If avg of 25 is decent then rohit is bradman of this era. He avgs 37 with a SR 0f 105 as opener. And rated despite Ind having high avg openers such as Tendulkar and Ganguly .... Less said about Rohit the better. There are a couple of threads on him already Edited February 19, 2019 by zen Link to comment
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