Vihari or Hardik - Who provides more value to the team

[rtmohanlal]

41 minutes ago, Khota said:

I am all for giving chances but right now there are several ahead of him. They also need a chance.

no .... for specialist spots there are youngsters like A.Easwaran, Anmolpreet singh(deserves chances more than any rookie batsman)  who deserve their chances. And we have Pujara & Rahane   who blows hot & cold. Despite that these 2 are never seen criticized  enough by  any body. For instance Pujara has performed brilliantly in AUS and wrongly earned a cushion to under perform  other wise and he did exactly that in the WI series. If any , it is these 2, Pujara and Rahane who  need better replacements , not Pandya. 

[R!TTER]

So you're saying we replace our 2 best batters, after Brat, with Rookies & just hope they click? Wow great idea, I guess the next time Brat fails in India, like that spectacular meltdown in 2017 vs Aus, we'll just pray that these guys step up & perform under the pressure of heightened expectations. Also when we tour abroad & Brat's luck runs out - yes it will eventually - these guys will perform @par or better than Rahane in his first set of away tours or Pujara in Oz last time 

 

Hilariously delusional, come on you can do better than that 

[rtmohanlal]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

So you're saying we replace our 2 best batters, after Brat, with Rookies & just hope they click? Wow great idea, I guess the next time Brat fails in India, like that spectacular meltdown in 2017 vs Aus, we'll just pray that these guys step up & perform under the pressure of heightened expectations. Also when we tour abroad & Brat's luck runs out - yes it will eventually - these guys will perform @par or better than Rahane in his first set of away tours or Pujara in Oz last time 

 

Hilariously delusional, come on you can do better than that 

no .... there are a  lot of members who blame  Hardik for the failures in   ENG & SAF. What you did is  quoting some performances of  Rahane & Pujara. Agreed they deserve their credit for their  performances , but that doesn't mean they are not   exempt from criticism especially Pujara. Agreed Pujara was brilliant in AUS , but other wise? What did he do in ENG,SAF & WI ? So 1 brilliant away series performance   and 3 poor performances to go with it. No wonder  his  country wise record sucks big time especially for a test specialist. After his stupendous  unexpected performance in AUS, he was supposed to built on it  moving forward. But instead he went into his old ways. Not only Pujara every batsmen except Kohli has been  at the least a bit off from being adequate. It was our bowlers who were chiefly responsible for keeping  our  no:1 tag intact. Even in that final test vs AUS  in India , if Jadeja didn't play that critical knock, it would have ended in a series loss. W.R.T other batsmen, the lesser said the better

 

So basically  my whole point has been this. Except for Kohli & to some extends Rahane & Pujara ,  all the other experienced batsmen like Vijay,Dhawan &  Rohit  & Rahul   has been far off from being adequate  in tests. If available ,all except Kohli  require better  replacements. That being the case, to put blame on Pandya makes no sense what so ever.

[R!TTER]

Well let's call it not "putting the blame on rookie" & put it as "is he worth more to the side" than let's say Jadeja? I'm sure the world's no.1 spinner & the best A/R in tests for the last 4+ years, deserves a permanent spot in the team, now if the keeper was Saha I'd probably want another A/R in the side, likely a seaming A/R in S.E.N.A. However with Pant we really only need 4 good bowlers & most definitely 6 batters, unless the pitches are really deadpan.

 

In the end you can call it whatever you want, right now Pandya doesn't deserve a spot @6/7/8 over other alternatives that's it.

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Dropping Vihari would be quite unfair rather than dropping so called allrounder at the moment ,

Yes Im talking about this format

Hardik is our necessity in lois ,he is our goto man but not yet there in test cricket currently

Dropping Vihari now would be the most stupid thing to do. He has shown that he belongs.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

no .... there are a  lot of members who blame  Hardik for the failures in   ENG & SAF. What you did is  quoting some performances of  Rahane & Pujara. Agreed they deserve their credit for their  performances , but that doesn't mean they are not   exempt from criticism especially Pujara. Agreed Pujara was brilliant in AUS , but other wise? What did he do in ENG,SAF & WI ? So 1 brilliant away series performance   and 3 poor performances to go with it. No wonder  his  country wise record sucks big time especially for a test specialist. After his stupendous  unexpected performance in AUS, he was supposed to built on it  moving forward. But instead he went into his old ways. Not only Pujara every batsmen except Kohli has been  at the least a bit off from being adequate. It was our bowlers who were chiefly responsible for keeping  our  no:1 tag intact. Even in that final test vs AUS  in India , if Jadeja didn't play that critical knock, it would have ended in a series loss. W.R.T other batsmen, the lesser said the better

 

So basically  my whole point has been this. Except for Kohli & to some extends Rahane & Pujara ,  all the other experienced batsmen like Vijay,Dhawan &  Rohit  & Rahul   has been far off from being adequate  in tests. If available ,all except Kohli  require better  replacements. That being the case, to put blame on Pandya makes no sense what so ever.

They deserve criticism too but right now we are discussing Vihari and Pandya.

[Khota]

2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

no .... for specialist spots there are youngsters like A.Easwaran, Anmolpreet singh(deserves chances more than any rookie batsman)  who deserve their chances. And we have Pujara & Rahane   who blows hot & cold. Despite that these 2 are never seen criticized  enough by  any body. For instance Pujara has performed brilliantly in AUS and wrongly earned a cushion to under perform  other wise and he did exactly that in the WI series. If any , it is these 2, Pujara and Rahane who  need better replacements , not Pandya. 

I am very critical of them or as a matter of fact of anyone who does not perform. It took Vihari two chances to shine, Pandya has yet to do that.

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Well let's call it not "putting the blame on rookie" & put it as "is he worth more to the side" than let's say Jadeja? I'm sure the world's no.1 spinner & the best A/R in tests for the last 4+ years, deserves a permanent spot in the team, now if the keeper was Saha I'd probably want another A/R in the side, likely a seaming A/R in S.E.N.A. However with Pant we really only need 4 good bowlers & most definitely 6 batters, unless the pitches are really deadpan.

 

In the end you can call it whatever you want, right now Pandya doesn't deserve a spot @6/7/8 over other alternatives that's it.

 

1 hour ago, Khota said:

I am very critical of them or as a matter of fact of anyone who does not perform. It took Vihari two chances to shine, Pandya has yet to do that.

I agree to an extend that  all the current  bowlers and all rounders (not talking of Pandya & Umesh)  deserve their places in the team.Naturally it is very tough for Pandya  to find a  place in the eleven.But one thing for sure  for me is that Pandya has till now been ok for a rookie of  his experience  and there is no point in blaming him for the inadequacy of others. So I hope that Pandya gets his chances here and there like Bhuvi  based on the rotation policy adopted by the management.

 

 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

 

I agree to an extend that  all the current  bowlers and all rounders (not talking of Pandya & Umesh)  deserve their places in the team.Naturally it is very tough for Pandya  to find a  place in the eleven.But one thing for sure  for me is that Pandya has till now been ok for a rookie of  his experience  and there is no point in blaming him for the inadequacy of others. So I hope that Pandya gets his chances here and there like Bhuvi  based on the rotation policy adopted by the management.

 

 

Pandya should get his chance along with others if he carry his weight. He needs to be dependable in one thing, either batting or bowling.

[express bowling]

In the test series in India 

 

Vihari obviously stays

 

It makes more sense to include Ashwin as the all-rounder ( not Pandya ) and include Kuldeep as the specialist spinner.

 

Drop Rahane as he rarely does anything in India.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

In the test series in India 

 

Vihari obviously stays

 

It makes more sense to include Ashwin as the all-rounder ( not Pandya ) and include Kuldeep as the specialist spinner.

 

Drop Rahane as he rarely does anything in India.

In India pandya doesnt make sense in one way but if this team is looking at him for overseas he also needs some games in Indian condition to help his confidence. If he only plays in SENA countries his stats will always be very iffy like most players wud have if they do so ......he ll develop self doubts and he ll be under tremendous pressure from everyone. Bowling in subcontinet will also help his bowling in terms of reverse swing ......like for eg he can be given bang series. The way bang is playing we can actually try few players . Also its imp for him to have games under his belt as Vihari is yet to be proven in SENA countries....

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In India pandya doesnt make sense in one way but if this team is looking at him for overseas he also needs some games in Indian condition to help his confidence. If he only plays in SENA countries his stats will always be very iffy like most players wud have if they do so ......he ll develop self doubts and he ll be under tremendous pressure from everyone. Bowling in subcontinet will also help his bowling in terms of reverse swing ......like for eg he can be given bang series. The way bang is playing we can actually try few players . Also its imp for him to have games under his belt as Vihari is yet to be proven in SENA countries....

 

With the Test Championship going on, it is difficult to not play the strongest team against SA.

 

We can try against Bsngladesh.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

With the Test Championship going on, it is difficult to not play the strongest team against SA.

 

We can try against Bsngladesh.

yea....im also saying bang series.

For SA....as of now he can go to domestic n build up to his fitness as well and that will give vihari n rahane a full series as well. If rahane doesnt perform this series he can be benched in bang or even kohli can skip it looking at the way bangladesh is playing