Comparison of great specialist cricketers with great all-rounders

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

The only thing we have proven so far is that you are clueless.

 

Talking about startegy have you ever seen  on deck. How he swinging the bat with weights attached to it. Have you ever seen that in cricket. Never. The next guy in cricket is scratching his balls. The on deck is warming up with weights attached to his bat so that in real time he can increase the bat velocity for a hit. You have no idea how detail oriented baseball is. Clueless.

These are not strategies at play, these are just optimizing fitness and game mechanics. The baseball equivalent of hitting balls against a wall in tennis. 

 

You have ave run away from the simple point that the proof that there is less strategy at play in baseball is that there are less options to do stuff with the bat or the ball. No 20 stroke strategy to choose from. Just three: home run whack, clear the infield whack and a bunt. Less options equal less strategy.

[Khota]

31 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

These are not strategies at play, these are just optimizing fitness and game mechanics. The baseball equivalent of hitting balls against a wall in tennis. 

 

You have ave run away from the simple point that the proof that there is less strategy at play in baseball is that there are less options to do stuff with the bat or the ball. No 20 stroke strategy to choose from. Just three: home run whack, clear the infield whack and a bunt. Less options equal less strategy.

Warming up with weights is not part of planning and startegy. Most of the time they use brute force is because evrything is so fast. Bunt is very controlled and a hit  has an exit velocity in excess of 130 mph. Things in baseball are happening at speed of light. Cricket is baseball on valium and that is coming from a cricket fan. Clueless.

[Zero_Unit]

This guy still yapping about how all-rounder is a myth? About time you drop the link to the research paper that you have read instead of giving your non scholar phd version of this theory, just like how you were going on about algorithm without a clue ...

[Muloghonto]

19 hours ago, Khota said:

Warming up with weights is not part of planning and startegy. Most of the time they use brute force is because evrything is so fast. Bunt is very controlled and a hit  has an exit velocity in excess of 130 mph. Things in baseball are happening at speed of light. Cricket is baseball on valium and that is coming from a cricket fan. Clueless.

Which means there are less options and therefore less strategies at play. Thank you for making my point like five times over. Baseball has far less strategy than cricket because the game is a lot faster, there are less options with the bat and ball and therefore less options means less strategy. 

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Which means there are less options and therefore less strategies at play. Thank you for making my point like five times over. Baseball has far less strategy than cricket because the game is a lot faster, there are less options with the bat and ball and therefore less options means less strategy. 

If game is fast and you have less time to react then there is more strategy needed.

 

[Muloghonto]

18 hours ago, Khota said:

If game is fast and you have less time to react then there is more strategy needed.

 

False and utterly wrong. Faster the game, less time to think and hence less strategy. Hence in cricket your batter has the strategy of 20 shots to pick from , in baseball it’s only three. Same with the ball. Your point is utter nonsense and proven so.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

False and utterly wrong. Faster the game, less time to think and hence less strategy. Hence in cricket your batter has the strategy of 20 shots to pick from , in baseball it’s only three. Same with the ball. Your point is utter nonsense and proven so.

You do know the hardest thing is to hit round ball with round bat. It is lot more difficult to hit a ball in baseball and when they do they are swinging for the fences. Cluelss as usual. There is lot more variation in pitching then you can imagine. Where did the term slider come to cricket from? Clueless.

[Muloghonto]

22 minutes ago, Khota said:

You do know the hardest thing is to hit round ball with round bat. It is lot more difficult to hit a ball in baseball and when they do they are swinging for the fences. Cluelss as usual. There is lot more variation in pitching then you can imagine. Where did the term slider come to cricket from? Clueless.

Stop talking nonsense . It is harder to hit a round ball with a round bat. Which is why there is more skill and less strategy at play. There is far less variations in pitching a baseball than in cricket bowling and that is a fact. Name the various variations of a baseball pitching vs cricket bowling. Cricket bowling has 10 times more variations. More variations and slower game means way more strategy.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Stop talking nonsense . It is harder to hit a round ball with a round bat. Which is why there is more skill and less strategy at play. There is far less variations in pitching a baseball than in cricket bowling and that is a fact. Name the various variations of a baseball pitching vs cricket bowling. Cricket bowling has 10 times more variations. More variations and slower game means way more strategy.

clueless.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

clueless.

So name the variations, genius. We can easily compare how many different things you can do to a cricket ball vs a baseball. 

 

Face it, you just stick to your dumb points even when proven wrong. That’s why you keep running away from the logic of ‘ a faster and skillfully harder sport will have less strategy and tactic to it than otherwise, due to lack of options and time to execute it. 

[Khota]

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

So name the variations, genius. We can easily compare how many different things you can do to a cricket ball vs a baseball. 

 

Face it, you just stick to your dumb points even when proven wrong. That’s why you keep running away from the logic of ‘ a faster and skillfully harder sport will have less strategy and tactic to it than otherwise, due to lack of options and time to execute it. 

Changeup

Fastball

Curveball

Knuckleball

Slider

Cutter

Screwball

Sinker

Forkball

Epheus

Splitter

fasball two seam

 

And nothing comes in slo mo like spin in cricket. Do you know baseball players cant even see the ball when they hit it?

 

Criket is a great sport but others are amazing too. Clueless

[Real McCoy]

Was majid an allrounder or a specialist. you answer me this and i'll vote depending on the answer

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Was majid an allrounder or a specialist. you answer me this and i'll vote depending on the answer

Obviously you dont understand cricket. He was an allrounder, a specialist and everything you can think of.

 

My personal opinion is that Majid was a thug.

[Muloghonto]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

Changeup

Fastball

Curveball

Knuckleball

Slider

Cutter

Screwball

Sinker

Forkball

Epheus

Splitter

fasball two seam

 

And nothing comes in slo mo like spin in cricket. Do you know baseball players cant even see the ball when they hit it?

 

Criket is a great sport but others are amazing too. Clueless

And there are more variations in a cricket ball. Leg spinner, googley, top spinner, slider, off break, arm ball, off cutter, leg cutter, inswinger, outswinger, in seamer,slower ball, bouncer, Yorker, out seamer, reverse swing(2 types)... need I go on ? Add the ability of bowler to vary length, which is absent in baseball, the different type of balls go up by another 20.

so last I checked, you can do over 50 different things with the cricket ball and less than a dozen with the baseball.

 

ie, less options in baseball. Ie, less strategy.

it is clear who is clueless here and that one is you. 

 

Baseball is more like athletics: it require precise skill and ability but little or no brain. 

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

And there are more variations in a cricket ball. Leg spinner, googley, top spinner, slider, off break, arm ball, off cutter, leg cutter, inswinger, outswinger, in seamer,slower ball, bouncer, Yorker, out seamer, reverse swing(2 types)... need I go on ? Add the ability of bowler to vary length, which is absent in baseball, the different type of balls go up by another 20.

so last I checked, you can do over 50 different things with the cricket ball and less than a dozen with the baseball.

 

ie, less options in baseball. Ie, less strategy.

it is clear who is clueless here and that one is you. 

 

Baseball is more like athletics: it require precise skill and ability but little or no brain. 

You said there are no variations in baseball and I named dozen. Now give the 50 you have in cricket or go fly a kite.

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

You said there are no variations in baseball and I named dozen. Now give the 50 you have in cricket or go fly a kite.

I just did. I said baseball has FAR LESS variations than cricket. Which is a fact. In baseball a fastball is a fast ball. It’s legal if it’s over the plate else it’s not. Just like a noball rule in cricket. But in cricket a fast ball can be a full toss, a bouncer, a Yorker, a good length, a short of good length or a half volley. That’s six variations of the same  ball. 

 

Times that by the sixteen variations already named and you get 16*6 = 96 variations.

 

thank you for proving mum basic point that baseball has far less variations than cricket. 

 

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

I just did. I said baseball has FAR LESS variations than cricket. Which is a fact. In baseball a fastball is a fast ball. It’s legal if it’s over the plate else it’s not. Just like a noball rule in cricket. But in cricket a fast ball can be a full toss, a bouncer, a Yorker, a good length, a short of good length or a half volley. That’s six variations of the same  ball. 

 

Times that by the sixteen variations already named and you get 16*6 = 96 variations.

 

thank you for proving mum basic point that baseball has far less variations than cricket. 

 

You start counting sub variations then there is no end to it.

You are trying to validate your existence. Distance where the ball hits the turf if you call is a variation then every sport has infinite variaions. Because between the wkts there are infinite points.

Clueless.

[Muloghonto]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

You start counting sub variations then there is no end to it.

You are trying to validate your existence. Distance where the ball hits the turf if you call is a variation then every sport has infinite variaions. Because between the wkts there are infinite points.

Clueless.

Same sub variations exist in all balls in cricket too. Anyone who thinks that a non bouncing asymmetric ball can have more variations than a bouncing symmetrical ball has zero grasp of physics or baseball or cricket. 

 

You are yet yet to explain how you can have more strategy in a faster game that gives you less time to think.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Same sub variations exist in all balls in cricket too. Anyone who thinks that a non bouncing asymmetric ball can have more variations than a bouncing symmetrical ball has zero grasp of physics or baseball or cricket. 

 

You are yet yet to explain how you can have more strategy in a faster game that gives you less time to think.

Anyone who thinks a sigle equatorial seam ball has more complex aerodynamics characteristics than a two seam ball is clueless.

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Khota said:

Anyone who thinks a sigle equatorial seam ball has more complex aerodynamics characteristics than a two seam ball is clueless.

A linear body has way more predictable and therefore controllable aerodynamics than a non linear seam. Ie, far more options, which is why a cricket ball does way more in the air than a baseball. And since it pitches, it does a whole lot more due to the linear nature of aerodynamic upon impact.

 

but keep peddling your nonsense that baseball hasn’t more variations like cricket. Just like the nonsense of mediocre Harby being better than Ashwin. 

 

I have already proven that cricket ball has more variations than baseball in this thread and that’s not even counting the batting superior strategies