Comparison of great specialist cricketers with great all-rounders

[Vilander]

19 minutes ago, Khota said:

You need more startegy to counter something happening fast.

like I said running is more complex than walking.

 

Thats called tactics.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Thats called tactics.

That is semantics now.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Complex in terms of what ?

Complex in terms of getting the bat on the ball.

Complex in the sense that every bat runs at olympic sprinter speed to cover bases. 

Complex in the sense that every outfielder can  the throw the ball at 90+ mph.

Complex in the sense of variables involved. game situation, lefty or righty, how is the bat hitting the ball, how far is he hitting, who is on base, who is on deck, who to walk, whats going on with the bullpen. 

Players change position based on analytics with every bat, adjustments with bat, with each pitch  and there is continous game going on within the game.

I understand cricket, I dont get baseball fully. 

bats are not seeing the balls at contact time. It is all predictive motion. bats have eyesights more like 20/12. Lot of science that I do not understand. I personally like cricket more but there are things that can be learned from baseball.

 

[Vilander]

27 minutes ago, Khota said:

Complex in terms of getting the bat on the ball.

Complex in the sense that every bat runs at olympic sprinter speed to cover bases. 

Complex in the sense that every outfielder can  the throw the ball at 90+ mph.

Complex in the sense of variables involved. game situation, lefty or righty, how is the bat hitting the ball, how far is he hitting, who is on base, who is on deck, who to walk, whats going on with the bullpen. 

Players change position based on analytics with every bat, adjustments with bat, with each pitch  and there is continous game going on within the game.

I understand cricket, I dont get baseball fully. 

bats are not seeing the balls at contact time. It is all predictive motion. bats have eyesights more like 20/12. Lot of science that I do not understand. I personally like cricket more but there are things that can be learned from baseball.

 

Tactically challenging meaning challenging action requirement. All the variable part you are reffering to are tactical meaning plan and action. Not strategy meaning decisions that lead to plan change.

 

Player change is the strategy element. For instance aggresive offence is batters and runners running agressively, defence strategy is based on low ball pitchers or flying ball pitchers that leads to field placememts all that is manager strategy prior to inning. 

 

Anyway its all semantics but all things being equal about two arguments people will accept semantically correct one. Meaning strategy is strategy plan is plan action is action, thats all.

[Vilander]

42 minutes ago, Khota said:

That is semantics now.

yes. Thats what i was telling you all along. You were saying baseball requires lots of tactical nous, which is arguable. But in terms of strategy cricket simply requires more meaning pitch as ball pitches and behaves differently, ball type leading to lateral movement yada yada yada..than field placement and ball hit by bat how and how long which has its own set of variables for a plan and tactics.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

yes. Thats what i was telling you all along. You were saying baseball requires lots of tactical nous, which is arguable. But in terms of strategy cricket simply requires more meaning pitch as ball pitches and behaves differently, ball type leading to lateral movement yada yada yada..than field placement and ball hit by bat how and how long which has its own set of variables for a plan and tactics.

Lot of decision making is real time. Multiple people are thinking and coming to a quick conclusion. Game situation dictates decision making but it starts with some set assumption. 

More important is level of professionalism involved. Not one cricket player from Indian team would pass the fitness standard that they set. Pandya, Bumrah with their six packs are impressive but still there is a gulf.

[Muloghonto]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

You need more startegy to counter something happening fast.

like I said running is more complex than walking.

 

It isn’t. You don’t have tune to strategize And when things move faster, instinct and pure skill comes into play. This is why you are running away from answering how many strategic shot options a batter hasn’t in baseball than cricket 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

It isn’t. You don’t have tune to strategize And when things move faster, instinct and pure skill comes into play. This is why you are running away from answering how many strategic shot options a batter hasn’t in baseball than cricket 

I gave you multiple strike options and prepration for batting option. I gaveyou dozen pitching option. You are the coward who is running away from a simple dumbed down topic why you need more strategy for walking than running. Give me one reason just one not the continuous BS you have been forcing on me.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Khota

[Vilander]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

Lot of decision making is real time. Multiple people are thinking and coming to a quick conclusion. Game situation dictates decision making but it starts with some set assumption. 

More important is level of professionalism involved. Not one cricket player from Indian team would pass the fitness standard that they set. Pandya, Bumrah with their six packs are impressive but still there is a gulf.

I think i have explained strategy and tactics clearly dont want to do it again.

[Muloghonto]

8 hours ago, Khota said:

I gave you multiple strike options and prepration for batting option. I gaveyou dozen pitching option. You are the coward who is running away from a simple dumbed down topic why you need more strategy for walking than running. Give me one reason just one not the continuous BS you have been forcing on me.

Preparation for batting options are not in game tactics or strategy. Name various options batters in baseball have to strike a ball. You are making nonsense claim that baseball requires more strategy when everyone who plays both knows baseball has far less strategy than cricket because  ball does less things and it requires less strategy to hit a ball with a curved bat .

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Preparation for batting options are not in game tactics or strategy. Name various options batters in baseball have to strike a ball. You are making nonsense claim that baseball requires more strategy when everyone who plays both knows baseball has far less strategy than cricket because  ball does less things and it requires less strategy to hit a ball with a curved bat .

Once again for the millionth time Stephen Hawking hitting a round ball with a round bat is the most difficult thing to do.

[Muloghonto]

31 minutes ago, Khota said:

Once again for the millionth time Stephen Hawking hitting a round ball with a round bat is the most difficult thing to do.

In terms of skill, yes. Something being more difficult to do skillfullly can also have less thinking and therefore, strategy to it, as we have demonstrated. And which is why you are refusing to answer the question on how many hitting stroke strategies do basballers have vs cricketers 

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

In terms of skill, yes. Something being more difficult to do skillfullly can also have less thinking and therefore, strategy to it, as we have demonstrated. And which is why you are refusing to answer the question on how many hitting stroke strategies do basballers have vs cricketers 

Can you show me that demonstation? I am still looking.

[Muloghonto]

15 minutes ago, Khota said:

Can you show me that demonstation? I am still looking.

Name the various strokes  strategies a batter in baseball has to chose from than in cricket. Your answer lies there. 

[Khota]

52 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Name the various strokes  strategies a batter in baseball has to chose from than in cricket. Your answer lies there. 

Walking has more startegy than 100 m dash. Am I right?

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Walking has more startegy than 100 m dash. Am I right?

name the number of strategic options batters have in baseball vs cricket.Why are you refusing to answer that q ? 

[Khota]

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

name the number of strategic options batters have in baseball vs cricket.Why are you refusing to answer that q ? 

Show me wha you have demosntrated clearly and tell me why walking is more strategic than running. Walking and running we all understand.

[Muloghonto]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

Show me wha you have demosntrated clearly and tell me why walking is more strategic than running. Walking and running we all understand.

Answer my question first and I have explained your question many times. Why are you running away from answering a basic question ? 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Answer my question first and I have explained your question many times. Why are you running away from answering a basic question ? 

I want to understand your thinking. Why does walking have more startegy than running. These are simple sports before we get to more complex game like cricket. 

By your logic sitting on the as# has more startegy than walking. Is that correct?

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

I want to understand your thinking. Why does walking have more startegy than running. These are simple sports before we get to more complex game like cricket. 

By your logic sitting on the as# has more startegy than walking. Is that correct?

Answer my question. Please name the various strokes a baseball batter has at their disposal Vs in cricket. First answer my question instead of obfuscation. Maybe you are not answering this question is because the answer to this question proves that baseball batters have less strategic options to hit the ball than cricket.