Level of Anti-India content on r/India Reddit is nauseating.

[someone]

26 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bhai you are so naive. Read what Ambedkar had to say about this, many Muslims identify with India's enemies and would like nothing more than breaking us from within, that is a product of their immediate environment. To a great extent they have been successful, @someone is right, we have lost control over many districts, I have seen this myself in Bengal. 75 years ago Indian Muslims broke India and caused large scale death/destruction, many chose to stay back after participating in the Pak Movement, and they will do it again when time comes, inherent nature, even secular/tolerant Vijaynagara fell apart and got reduced to rubble because of its Muslim citizens (accorded equal rights, opportunities, freedom, power, justice as Hindu subjects....like Western Europe of that era) and a similar fate awaits us. Civil war is coming and it is up to us how well we can prepare for that, no hiding,  it is coming. Don't need foreign forces, this happens everwhere where Muslims gain a foothold, China, Russia, Myanmar, Philippines, Lebanon, Kenya, Nigeria....and England/France/Sweden won't be spared 50 years from now. Only question that remains is how do we equip ourselves to face  D-Day, certainly lessons from 1946-48 shouldn't go to waste. 

 

There are many Muslims who won't go down that path, patriots, those who can live in harmony and co-existence, I wouldn't want them to come in harm's way.....but what is their %? If anyone has doubts check how the Muslim community responded over CAA, national capital was held hostage and later set on fire. And how did the coward state respond? So called Hindutva govt? We are already on the backfoot because by nature we are timid, chilled, tolerant, forgiving, not much penchant for bloodshed. Need more ruthlessness and more importantly an action plan. 

It's a grim post but I have to agree. It's inevitable.

 

The Muslims aren't voting Congress or its allies for their love or development, but because they have no Muslim party. The day the demographics goes their way, Congress will be no more. You see it's not just BJP, but our entire politics will be gone forever.

[someone]

9 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

BJP has already changed the status quo. Once NRC is implemented, there's no changing the fact that india is a HINDU NATION. Belonging to a dharmic faith will become a criteria for citizenship in the republic of india. You CANNOT REVERSE this.

 

No amount of congress-party outrage will change anything. Their legacy is finished, and secular india is dead. Whether india remains a democracy or not is the real question - personally, i don't think india should be a democracy.

 

Muslims can't go away though. What can you do with 200 million muslims? We can't kill them. We have to modernize them, and help guide them into dharmic ways of life. No other option.

Lol, you are playing a game. Secular India is native thing for us, and will continue to be. We have been open to all cultures and religions. The issue becomes that it has to be mutual. One single community themselves have been hostile, intolerant and violent towards the nation, and civilization.

 

It's also a law & order issue. Ultimately, for the state, there has to be fear of the law. There is no other way as the CAA protests have shown that they have no fear.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

10 minutes ago, someone said:

Lol, you are playing a game. Secular India is native thing for us, and will continue to be. We have been open to all cultures and religions. The issue becomes that it has to be mutual. One single community themselves have been hostile, intolerant and violent towards the nation, and civilization.

 

It's also a law & order issue. Ultimately, for the state, there has to be fear of the law. There is no other way as the CAA protests have shown that they have no fear.

I meant secular as in the british interpretation of secularism. The governing principle that was added to the premable of the constitution by indira gandhi. That secularism is finished.

 

I agree, muslims are dirt poor and their savagery is difficult to manage - leaving them open to foreign influence - but i'll ask you the same question again? What do you do with 200 million muslims? We can't put them in jail, nor can we kill them.

 

The government can only register them and control their access to food, housing, employment. That's what NRC is for. One child only policy in certain states will finish off the demographics issue for good. These are the only solutions.

Edited May 30, 2020 by Manny_Pacquiao

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, someone said:

It's a grim post but I have to agree. It's inevitable.

 

The Muslims aren't voting Congress or its allies for their love or development, but because they have no Muslim party. The day the demographics goes their way, Congress will be no more. You see it's not just BJP, but our entire politics will be gone forever.

Or Congress may assume the role of Muslim League, RG's shift to Wayanad might be a precursor. The sane Congressis may shift to BJP like Scindia recently. 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, diga said:

The percentage is too small to make any difference. Imagine if there were no organisations like VHP/Sangh, we would have been in tatters by now

VHP/RSS are softies, partly because of institutuional/historical discrimination and checks on them, partly because of their lack of killer instinct, wrong priorities, lack of intelligence etc. Recently during Howrah riots they were nowhere to be seen, we need some mean SOBS, a private dharmic militia or something like that....if not immediately at least set the ball rolling and let it take shape in due course of time. A dharmic militia will by nature be very fair, humane, adhering to dharma but ruthless when required, like the Khalsa founded by Guru Gobind Singh after Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's execution by that reptile Aurangzeb. 

 

Police is spineless, RAF just a bunch of clowns and CRPF/SSB/BSF have other pressing matters. Anything short of fully armed private militia and we will be sitting ducks. Almost all Islamist households have weapons, hell at least a butcher's knife and their appetite for bloodshed can never be matched by our side. 

[Manny_Pacquiao]

17 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Or Congress may assume the role of Muslim League, RG's shift to Wayanad might be a precursor. The sane Congressis may shift to BJP like Scindia recently. 

Congress is already the muslim league, no doubt about it. They are a muslim party. But its a conscious decision they made, because the only way they can survive is by relying on the muslim vote bloc.

 

BJP has tripled its muslim vote-bank since 2009. Congress' cannot afford to lose more muslim voters, if it does, it will be finished.

 

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

VHP/RSS are softies, partly because of institutuional/historical discrimination and checks on them, partly because of their lack of killer instinct, wrong priorities, lack of intelligence etc. Recently during Howrah riots they were nowhere to be seen, we need some mean SOBS, a private dharmic militia or something like that....if not immediately at least set the ball rolling and let it take shape in due course of time. A dharmic militia will by nature be very fair, humane, adhering to dharma but ruthless when required, like the Khalsa founded by Guru Gobind Singh after Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's execution by that reptile Aurangzeb. 

 

Police is spineless, RAF just a bunch of clowns and CRPF/SSB/BSF have other pressing matters. Anything short of fully armed private militia and we will be sitting ducks. Almost all Islamist households have weapons, hell at least a butcher's knife and their appetite for bloodshed can never be matched by our side. 

LOL....VHP and RSS are social service organizations, they're not gundas who riot and kill people. RSS builds schools, hospitals and aids disaster relief. Their job isn't to kill muslim rioters.

 

When muslims are rioting, they are exposing their savagery and creating enemies. That's whats happening right now. More and more hindus are seeing muslims for what they truly are.

[Gollum]

Goes without saying that if India stops being dharmic the country will simply disintegrate. Just one identity holds us together, otherwise we have different ethnicities, clans, linguistic backgrounds, castes etc. If Muslims (especially), Christians can respect the dharmic nature of India, fine we can work together.

 

We have been through tougher times during the Sultanate and Mughal eras, but even during our worst years there was someone to uphold dharma and protect us, guide and lead us, be it Shivaji, the Ranas of Rajasthan, Lachit, Sikh Gurus, Vijayanagara kings.....can't throw it all away now, we owe at least that much to hese legends. Must add that even though we were enslaved for centuries, we had the indomitable fighting spirit till the arrival of Brits, then somehow dharmics became wimps, worst thing that ever happened to us was MK Gandhi and his non violence BS, made cowards out of our communities....Muslims never paid heed to that psycho's teachings, hence they are punching above their weight. 

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

LOL....VHP and RSS are social service organizations, they're not gundas who riot and kill people. RSS builds schools, hospitals and aids disaster relief. Their job isn't to kill muslim rioters.

 

When muslims are rioting, they are exposing their savagery and creating enemies. That's whats happening right now. More and more hindus are seeing muslims for what they truly are.

Killing and all who asked them to do? They have the numbers, just need to to mobilize and defend, but I won't fault them as I said in my post. We need a dedicated militia for that. 

[Manny_Pacquiao]

8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 we had the indomitable fighting spirit till the arrival of Brits, then somehow dharmics became wimps, worst thing that ever happened to us was MK Gandhi and his non violence BS, made cowards out of our communities....Muslims never paid heed to that psycho's teachings, hence they are punching above their weight. 

 

Not really, the hindus simply joined the East india company to fight the muslim kingdoms. The brits made good allies against muslims. That's the version of history that we are never taught.

 

Gandhi wasn't a hindu. He was a british politician, his ideas were never indigenous to india, he was serving british interests as an intermediary. The sooner his legacy dies out, the better off we'll be.

[raki05]

BJP should have never allowed Shahin Bagh at the first place. How can they allow something like that to happened looks like they allowed it to happen for political milage in Maharastra and some other state election but Muslims took it as a victory and ran riots during Trump visit. Home ministry should have crushed the protest at the first place how can they allow protest at public place when ram Leela maidan has been allocated to do protests. This is here failure of governance and it costs many lives in most horrific way. Similar things are happening on a daily basis in WB, Kerala and Kashmir every day. These politicians are repeating the same mistakes what our ancestors did for their petty politics and short term gain they are befriending with enemy of states. Once Muslims LL come in high majority in WB they ll throw Mamta to the gutters and demand their own ministers and implement Sariya. That's how they are and we would again be witnessing another invasion like our fore father did, looks like we learnt nothing from our history.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

1 minute ago, raki05 said:

BJP should have never allowed Shahin Bagh at the first place. How can they allow something like that to happened looks like they allowed it to happen for political milage in Maharastra and some other state election but Muslims took it as a victory and ran riots during Trump visit. Home ministry should have crushed the protest at the first place how can they allow protest at public place when ram Leela maidan has been allocated to do protests. This is here failure of governance and it costs many lives in most horrific way. Similar things are happening on a daily basis in WB, Kerala and Kashmir every day. These politicians are repeating the same mistakes what our ancestors did for their petty politics and short term gain they are befriending with enemy of states. Once Muslims LL come in high majority in WB they ll throw Mamta to the gutters and demand their own ministers and implement Sariya. That's how they are and we would again be witnessing another invasion like our fore father did, looks like we learnt nothing from our history.

Shaheen bagh was a foreign funded protest in a muslim majority neighborhood.

 

how do you stop riots when they're receiving funding and coordination from NGOs, with western media coverage and political party patronage within the country? Sonia gandhi was encouraging people to riot, you had opposition party leaders making inflammatory statements.

 

If a superpower like China can't stop foreign funded protests and riots in hong kong, how do you expect india do so?

 

Police and intelligence agencies probably had spies to find leads. I think the riots started when police cover was blown - the killing of the delhi police officer was a sign.

 

The solution is NRC + one child policy. Nothing else.

[raki05]

4 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Shaheen bagh was a foreign funded protest in a muslim majority neighborhood.

 

how do you stop riots when they're receiving funding and coordination from NGOs, with western media coverage and political party patronage within the country? Sonia gandhi was encouraging people to riot, you had opposition party leaders making inflammatory statements.

 

If a superpower like China can't stop foreign funded protests and riots in hong kong, how do you expect india do so?

 

Police and intelligence agencies probably had spies to find leads. I think the riots started when police cover was blown - the killing of the delhi police officer was a sign.

 

The solution is NRC + one child policy. Nothing else.

If Sonia Gandhi was encouraging riots what made government to not take stern action against them. First of all why government allowed Shaheen Bagh protest to take place at public place when it was illegal. What was home ministry and supreme Court was doing. Supreme Court had all the time to deal with bcci home ministry has all the things to talk about pak, china blah blah and they can't even crushed a Shahin baagh protest.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

18 minutes ago, raki05 said:

If Sonia Gandhi was encouraging riots what made government to not take stern action against them. First of all why government allowed Shaheen Bagh protest to take place at public place when it was illegal. What was home ministry and supreme Court was doing. Supreme Court had all the time to deal with bcci home ministry has all the things to talk about pak, china blah blah and they can't even crushed a Shahin baagh protest.

Stern action relies on the supreme court, not on the 'government'. Supreme court allows foreign funded NGOs to participate in political activism.

 

As for 'crushing shaheen bagh'...you are massively over-estimating India's power in relation to other countries. Western nations have far greater resources and intelligence when it comes to instigating riots, coordinating protests and influencing elections.

 

I'll ask you again: if China couldn't stop western-backed riots in hong kong, how the hell do you expect india to stop western backed riots in Delhi? its not possible.

 

India is too weak a country at this point to resist foreign interference.

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[someone]

4 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

I meant secular as in the british interpretation of secularism. The governing principle that was added to the premable of the constitution by indira gandhi. That secularism is finished.

 

I agree, muslims are dirt poor and their savagery is difficult to manage - leaving them open to foreign influence - but i'll ask you the same question again? What do you do with 200 million muslims? We can't put them in jail, nor can we kill them.

 

The government can only register them and control their access to food, housing, employment. That's what NRC is for. One child only policy in certain states will finish off the demographics issue for good. These are the only solutions.

Fear of law, fear of law. Thats the only way. And it's not just Muslims, but for all Indians. I see many who are nice in foreign countries, but once back in India, they start littering and stop following rules.

 

The anti-CAA protests or even this Lockdown has shown, the little respect our own people have for law & order. They took our capital city for hostage, it was surreal.  They have began flexing their muscles along with their increasing numbers and united consolidation. Now, it's up for government and security agencies to be tough, and strict on law & order.

Edited May 30, 2020 by someone

[someone]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Or Congress may assume the role of Muslim League, RG's shift to Wayanad might be a precursor. The sane Congressis may shift to BJP like Scindia recently. 

Congress like many secular parties are dynasts. As long as the top leaders are happy, well-fed, they will happily give veto-power or remote control to others.

 

Muslims don't have any love for Congress or Gandhis. They are just doing it to preserve the status quo by making sure BJP doesn't win. They will en-masse vote for Muslims Leagues once critical mass is reached.

[someone]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

VHP/RSS are softies, partly because of institutuional/historical discrimination and checks on them, partly because of their lack of killer instinct, wrong priorities, lack of intelligence etc. Recently during Howrah riots they were nowhere to be seen, we need some mean SOBS, a private dharmic militia or something like that....if not immediately at least set the ball rolling and let it take shape in due course of time. A dharmic militia will by nature be very fair, humane, adhering to dharma but ruthless when required, like the Khalsa founded by Guru Gobind Singh after Guru Tegh Bahadur ji's execution by that reptile Aurangzeb. 

 

Police is spineless, RAF just a bunch of clowns and CRPF/SSB/BSF have other pressing matters. Anything short of fully armed private militia and we will be sitting ducks. Almost all Islamist households have weapons, hell at least a butcher's knife and their appetite for bloodshed can never be matched by our side. 

It's not just these Hindu institutions. But India itself, has focused more on soft-power rather than hard-power. That has led us to nowhere as we are very fragile both externally and internally. Thus, hard power in terms of law & order, military is important both for our internal and external security.

 

 

[raki05]

2 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Stern action relies on the supreme court, not on the 'government'. Supreme court allows foreign funded NGOs to participate in political activism.

 

As for 'crushing shaheen bagh'...you are massively over-estimating India's power in relation to other countries. Western nations have far greater resources and intelligence when it comes to instigating riots, coordinating protests and influencing elections.

 

I'll ask you again: if China couldn't stop western-backed riots in hong kong, how the hell do you expect india to stop western backed riots in Delhi? its not possible.

 

India is too weak a country at this point to resist foreign interference.

Honkong shares territory with China still the situation is like Kashmir where insurgent or external forces can have influenced. Delhi is your capital if bjp government can't control saheen bagh like incident in capital forget about protecting borders. This is coming from a hard core Bjp supporter. Look at Yogi inspite of so much of protest he did what he wanted he quashed all the protest and literally penalized them financially and named and shame those bastards on papers. Yogi has controlled a super big religiously polarized state so well on the back of UP police. Whereas Amit shah with all the army and delhi police in pocket couldn't even able to control the violence where people have been murdered on Jihad's like modus operandi.

[someone]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

BJP should have never allowed Shahin Bagh at the first place. How can they allow something like that to happened looks like they allowed it to happen for political milage in Maharastra and some other state election but Muslims took it as a victory and ran riots during Trump visit. Home ministry should have crushed the protest at the first place how can they allow protest at public place when ram Leela maidan has been allocated to do protests. This is here failure of governance and it costs many lives in most horrific way. Similar things are happening on a daily basis in WB, Kerala and Kashmir every day. These politicians are repeating the same mistakes what our ancestors did for their petty politics and short term gain they are befriending with enemy of states. Once Muslims LL come in high majority in WB they ll throw Mamta to the gutters and demand their own ministers and implement Sariya. That's how they are and we would again be witnessing another invasion like our fore father did, looks like we learnt nothing from our history.

That's hindsight. If government reached aggressively and preemptively, some lives would have been lost which would seen as a failure plus human rights issues. The government correctly thought the protests would die off, and placed their bets in Delhi elections. It didn't work out, as our people themselves failed to judge its severity.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

12 minutes ago, someone said:

Fear of law, fear of law. Thats the only way. And it's not just Muslims, but for all Indians. I see many who are nice in foreign countries, but once back in India, they start littering and stop following rules.

 

The anti-CAA protests or even this Lockdown has shown, the little respect our own people have for law & order. They took our capital city for hostage, it was surreal.  They have began flexing their muscles along with their increasing numbers and united consolidation. Now, it's up for government and security agencies to be tough, and strict on law & order.

 

There is no fear of law in india because every decision relating to law and order has to be deliberated in court. India is not China, or the middle east. Many foreign funded NGOs operate legally, and their activists use legal means to stop any kind of government action.

 

That's the disadvantage of being a democracy while your population is semi-literate and easily influenced. I'm afraid we'll see more protests and riots from muslims as long as our 'democracy' exists.

 

Democracy does very little for the common indian citizen, nor does the common indian citizen care that deeply about 'personal autonomy'. Personal autonomy counts for very little when you have no path to prosperity and welfare. Indians are morons for believing in 'liberal democracy' as a solution to their problems, this is a colonial legacy.

 

Ideally, india would be led by an authoritarian government, one that could enforce the law as it pleases and implement a long term vision without worrying about 'public opinion'. But that's not happening anytime soon.