Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) similar type players. Stoinis is a better overall batsman Pandya is a lot more destructive. Stoinis is relatively better against fast bowling and Pandya better against spin. Obviously product of their formative years of cricket. Pandya is the much better bowler talent wise but Stoinis is fitter so contributes a lot more. Fielding they both are outstanding what do you think, fair comparison? Stokes is in a different league and Russell is on decline so I rate him behind these 2 at the moment. Woakes is a proper bowling allrounder. Maybe Sam Curran can be brought into this debate too even though I always thought he is a bowler who can bat but I might be wrong, there is something here. Edited April 6, 2021 by Global.Baba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Since I added Sam Curran As a bowler he is better than Pandya and way better than Stoinis as a batsman still not in their league but has played crucial innings like the other 2 and will only get more chances in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) Where is andre russell and stokes ?? Edited April 6, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Sam curran will do very well Pandya will take a lot of wkts around 14 for sure cud even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Sam curran will do very well Pandya will take a lot of wkts around 14 for sure cud even more What about Stoinis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Where is andre russell and stokes ?? russell is yesterday’s news. Stokes is elite category and there will be times he will look worse than these names but there are times he will win you games singlehandedly - start to finish. Not fair to compare him with LoI specialists like Stoinis or Pandya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: russell is yesterday’s news. Stokes is elite category and there will be times he will look worse than these names but there are times he will win you games singlehandedly - start to finish. Not fair to compare him with LoI specialists like Stoinis or Pandya. Stokes till now has been a failure in t20 cricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: What about Stoinis? I dnt think so he ll bowl a lot this season and in batting lets see how dc use him in iyer absence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Stokes till now has been a failure in t20 cricket man of the tournament in IPL. There are lesser players who have been hyped here on a couple of 6’s a lot more. Give me Stokes any day over such players even if he has a 0 T20 record. Too add to his heroics in tests and wc. Cricspin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: man of the tournament in IPL. There are lesser players who have been hyped here on a couple of 6’s a lot more. Give me Stokes any day over such players even if he has a 0 T20 record. Too add to his heroics in tests and wc. just one good season...hardik must have had more then few by now . Apart from that stokes have clearly struggled in IPL n international t20 hitting 6 from ball 1 isnt easy stokes must have realized by now which is why he has a terrible avg in t20 and not even a good strike rate for a batsman batting at 5-6 , talk that when ben stokes does it easily. Only way ben stokes can work is batting up ....those hitting 6 from ball 1 in lower- middle isnt his cup of tea . Anybody...let stokes try doing russell n pandya role in t20 No wonder ur so out of touch with modern cricket that u talk about test n odi in t20 cricket. Also if i can remind u once gave ross taylor example for t20 another flop in t20 and much recently that ull choose rahane n jadhav over sky Edited April 6, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: just one good season...hardik must have had more then few by now . Apart from that stokes have clearly struggled in IPL n international t20 hitting 6 from ball 1 isnt easy stokes must have realized by now which is why he has a terrible avg in t20 and not even a good strike rate for a batsman batting at 5-6 , talk that when ben stokes does it easily. Only way ben stokes can work is batting up ....those hitting 6 from ball 1 in lower- middle isnt his cup of tea . Anybody...let stokes try doing russell n pandya role in t20 No wonder ur so out of touch with modern cricket that u talk about test n odi in t20 cricket. Also if i can remind u once gave ross taylor example for t20 another flop in t20 and much recently that ull choose rahane n jadhav over sky Unbelievable that in the year 2021 I am arguing with someone to prove how clutch and crucial Ben Stokes is regardless of the format and how much of a quality he is. You can invest in Dube etc and ignore guys like Stokes when you have your own IpL team . Are you part of RCB management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Global.Baba said: Unbelievable that in the year 2021 I am arguing with someone to prove how clutch and crucial Ben Stokes is regardless of the format and how much of a quality he is. ur arguing his performances of ODI n test in t20 which is irrelevant Ur making a role of hitting sixes role in lower middle order like a joke which ben stokes has failed miserably at Just now, Global.Baba said: You can invest in Dube etc and ignore guys like Stokes when you have your own IpL team . Are you part of RCB management? Coz in India i dnt have andre russell na....u gotta make do with whatever u have unless we can start poaching. IF i have an IPL team, actually forget me and put these 3 are in auction - russell, pandya, stokes....im betting russell n pandya will go at much much higher price then stokes ....invite franchises around the world and see the result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ur arguing his performances of ODI n test in t20 which is irrelevant Ur making a role of hitting sixes role in lower middle order like a joke which ben stokes has failed miserably at Coz in India i dnt have andre russell na....u gotta make do with whatever u have unless we can start poaching. IF i have an IPL team, actually forget me and put these 3 are in auction - russell, pandya, stokes....im betting russell n pandya will go at much much higher price then stokes ....invite franchises around the world and see the result Just FYI, Stokes is currently worth more than both Pandya and Russell in IPL. Also Stokes is a guy who you build a team around . Would Afridi be more valuable than Kohli in T20 absolutely? doesn’t make sense and this is exactly why I didn’t put Stokes in the title as he is a different kind of player. Just because you like to watch Pandya and Russell hit 6’s doesn’t make Stokes a low quality player. Also T20 is not a different sport, it is still cricket and has the same aesthetics of cricket. You talk like this is baseball or something. Edited April 6, 2021 by Global.Baba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Just FYI, Stokes is currently worth more than both Pandya and Russell IPL. do u know how auction works ??? To judge everyone equally they all must be put in same auction not that one guys goes in mega aucition n other in mini coz obviously the one in mini will earn more. Quote Also Stokes is a guy who you build a team against. thats the problem ur stuck in 90s , u dnt build a side around one player...u build a side that has every option avl . Mumbai indians isnt build around one player England is struggling to fit stokes in t20 side Thats what side compositions are Quote Would Afridi be more valuable than Kohli in T20 absolutely? only a fool wud compare kohli n afridi 2 completely different kind of player FYI afridi won 2009 t20 Wc for pakistan and was MOS in 2007 Wc , so afridi has a trophy Quote doesn’t make sense and this is exactly why I didn’t put Stokes in the title as he is a different kind of player. Just because you like to watch Pandya and Russell hit 6’s doesn’t make Stokes a high quality player. Uff quality, rahane also has high quality but cnt fit in side. Steyn had way more quality but guys like starc n malinga were better in t20....different format different skill I know they do different role, actually for their franchises they have been doing similar roles which is where stokes have failed. So dnt call him elite coz of other formats, in t20 he ll only work once he bats up and that is yet to happen. Quote Also T20 is not a different sport, it is still cricket and has the same aesthetics of cricket. You talk like this is baseball or something. now ur down to khota level t20, test and ODI require different skills and i shudnt be explaining those basics Edited April 6, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: There are lesser players who have been hyped here on a couple of 6’s a lot more. also its t20 few sixes are enough to change the game on its head, who better then stokes to know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: also its t20 few sixes are enough to change the game on its head, who better then stokes to know it so you show the video from 2016 but ignored the fact that in 2017 he was man of the tournament in IPL Anyway what exactly are you trying to Prove here ? Let me help you in ending this conversation Stokes is a bits and pieces player who shouldn’t have been picked and is not worthy of playing in IPL. Ab Khush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Last yr it was on SDP’s finishing skills that finished off baba. This season baba again has a thread on SDP, hoping that he would fail and a few other known distractions would join too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, zen said: Last yr it was on SDP’s finishing skills that finished off baba. This season baba again has a thread on SDP, hoping that he would fail and a few other known distractions would join too what? This is just to see which allrounder will do better. The biggest allrounders in T20 right now are the names in the OP. I excluded Stokes, Russell, Woakes for a reason as they don’t fit the type of these players. Russell because he is done and dusted and fat now. Holder too has a different utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: so you show the video from 2016 but ignored the fact that in 2017 he was man of the tournament in IPL Anyway what exactly are you trying to Prove here ? Let me help you in ending this conversation Stokes is a bits and pieces player who shouldn’t have been picked and is not worthy of playing in IPL. Ab Khush? He is elite coz of one tournament and guys like russell n pandya who perform yr after yr isnt That its not right to call him elite in t20 with him struggling in the format at a role which frankly isnt suited to him but to discard others like pandya n russell who do it well is childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Russell because he is done and dusted and fat now. U have some guts to make that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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