If Cricket was more popular in these countries. [Hypothetical]

[harpicP]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Agreed but Knowing pak society and the grassroots i just feel t20 is the one format where they will always keep up with India or even be better no matter where the economy goes, because the cricket economy will remain strongish relatively. In the longer formats India would need mismanagement of epic proportions to let Pak become a consistently stronger side. The system and the pool of players should never let that happen.

If india allows players to play in other leagued then pak can't compete with india even in t20.

[harpicP]

Americans won't do that well tbh. You know why? Cause cricket requires immense endurance. 

 

Only top soccer nations will do well

 Top 10 that is. Some African countries perhaps. 

 

In t20 America would excel. 

 

Americans never do well in sports that requires high level cardio

 

Look at nfl baseball and ice hockey. It's no where near soccer in terms of endurance. They will struggle badly in test and to an extent in odi too.

 

Basketball is different. Even there there is time outs and stop start due to frequent fouls. 

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, harpicP said:

India would be a top side purely due to huge talent pool assuming we pick based in merit. 

No. Our talent pool is overrated, based on merit is just excuse. 

5 hours ago, harpicP said:

 

USA only dominates given they have unlitimited resources, huge backing, best school system to develop athletes, best steroids etc. 

Excuses, excuses, they dominate because they are better, better gene pool....steroids is just copium dude, we know how big a menace doping is in Indian weightlifting and wrestling scene. 

5 hours ago, harpicP said:

Anyway they can do all this. They can take all kinds of steroids they want to and they would still lose to India in India in tests. 

If they put their minds to cricket, they'd field 20 teams capable of dismantling India in India in tests. We aren't even that good at cricket lol, below Sri Lanka and Pakistan historically speaking. 

[harpicP]

20 minutes ago, Gollum said:

No. Our talent pool is overrated, based on merit is just excuse. 

Excuses, excuses, they dominate because they are better, better gene pool....steroids is just copium dude, we know how big a menace doping is in Indian weightlifting and wrestling scene. 

If they put their minds to cricket, they'd field 20 teams capable of dismantling India in India in tests. We aren't even that good at cricket lol, below Sri Lanka and Pakistan historically speaking. 

Steroids is rampant but American has better access to high level masking agents and much more potent PEds which gives them a unfair advantage.  And no I don't see it. Most popular American sports don't involve enough cardio. Not as much as football(soccer) the real game. 

 

Their nfl ice hockey baseball stars would struggle in test cricket given their frames and athletic ability won't benefit them in terms of endurance for cricket. In t20 sure. Absolutely. Not for longer formats. Too much stop start in American games. 

 

Football nations. The top 10 teams would do really well in the longer formats of cricket

 

And what is america without imports from overseas? Who are the real Americans lol? 

 

I highly doubt they would be competitive if they pick just white Americans alone. They need all the imports they can get from Africa, carribean Islands, Europe etc. All their top athletes' background are from different ethnicities. 

 

Same with englsnd and nz in cricket. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by harpicP

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, harpicP said:

Americans won't do that well tbh. You know why? Cause cricket requires immense endurance. 

Cricket is a sissy sport, ghanta endurance. If fatasses like Ashwin, Inzi, Rohit, Herath have become test greats you don't think Americans can match that. What the hell are you smoking?

Besides in all endurance sports like triathlon, rowing, ultramarathons, road cycling, Americans dominate like crazy. Indians are zero in these sports, just bak bak and fake pride. How many Indians you know who have done anything of note in marathon? Sure Kenya, Ethiopia are unbeatable but Americans will field 100 runners better than India's best. Already in middle distance running, steeplechase they are taking over Kenya, their goras are doing that. 

 

Get out of your delusional Bollywood world dude, kitna daydreaming karoge?

4 hours ago, harpicP said:

 

 

Americans never do well in sports that requires high level cardio

Lol lol lol, rich coming from an Indian. Indians neither know nor understand the meaning of 'high level' or 'cardio'. Guarantee there are more than a million 50 and 60 year olds in USA who will show the meaning of cardio to our fittest cricketers. 

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Steroids is rampant but American has better access to high level masking agents and much more potent PEds which gives them a unfair advantage.  And no I don't see it. Most popular American sports don't involve enough cardio.

See you are just trolling now.

5 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Not as much as football(soccer) the real game. 

Football is a sissy sport as well, ghanta real game. Tennis has 10 times the cardio requirements as football and guess which is the GOAT tennis nation, both male and female? Another matter that tennis' popularity has gone down the drain in USA. 

Not even talking about sports like ice hockey, combat sports, water polo which need 1000x the cardio as football, never mind cricket. And now tell me which country produces the best combat athletes....MMA, boxing, wrestling , judo...it will be USA followed by Russia, Brazil, Japan, Britain etc. One thing is constant and that is American supremacy. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gollum

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, harpicP said:

And what is america without imports from overseas? Who are the real Americans lol? 

 

I highly doubt they would be competitive if they pick just white Americans alone. They need all the imports they can get from Africa, carribean Islands, Europe etc. All their top athletes' background are from different ethnicities. 

America is a nation of immigrants from Europe. 

 

And are Phelps, Jack Nicklaus, Sampras, Evert, BJK etc. brown or black. Bobby Fischer was middle eastern? 

 

Rich of Indians to talk smack about whites, USA, Europe etc. Bhai sun, India is a big fat zero in sports, whole world laughs at our ineptness, 1.4 billion people and our best of the best will lose to a bunch of college athletes from US, in many sports our best will be wiped out by high school kids of USA, ask Bajrang Punia. 

[harpicP]

33 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Cricket is a sissy sport, ghanta endurance. If fatasses like Ashwin, Inzi, Rohit, Herath have become test greats you don't think Americans can match that. What the hell are you smoking?

Besides in all endurance sports like triathlon, rowing, ultramarathons, road cycling, Americans dominate like crazy. Indians are zero in these sports, just bak bak and fake pride. How many Indians you know who have done anything of note in marathon? Sure Kenya, Ethiopia are unbeatable but Americans will field 100 runners better than India's best. Already in middle distance running, steeplechase they are taking over Kenya, their goras are doing that. 

 

Get out of your delusional Bollywood world dude, kitna daydreaming karoge?

Lol lol lol, rich coming from an Indian. Indians neither know nor understand the meaning of 'high level' or 'cardio'. Guarantee there are more than a million 50 and 60 year olds in USA who will show the meaning of cardio to our fittest cricketers. 

Then why can't they excel in football? The most carido intensive sport in the world with all their world class athletes. Mls pays well too

 

Cricket requires substantial amount of endurance bro. Test cricket is not easy. 

 

Those indian guys may look unfit but remember they play in extreme heat in India and have the endurance to bowl with intensity all day and vice versa for batting. It's not as easy as you make it out to be. 

 

The athlete's physical ability from their top sports won't translate well for long formats but yes in t20 absolutely. 

 

 

[Gollum]

That American girl Katie Ledecky has better personal best in some her freestyle events than Indian national men all time records. She achieved the feat as a 20 year old.

 

This girl Summer McIntosh has better individual medley than our national men's record, she is now 17 and was better than India's best ever as a 16 year old. 

 

There are dozens hundreds of high school girls from USA, Australia, Canada, Hungary (landlocked country lol), who will place second/third in our national men's swimming championship. 

 

Kyu beizzat hona chahte ho Indians? Know your place, your aukaat and keep mum. Most pathetic people on this planet, it's one thing being this pathetic, but then follows the insane boasting and putting down others...well with this attitude, continue being a joke for the next 1000 years. Most beghairat qaum on this planet must be South Asians.....zero achievement but attitude like they rule the world. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gollum

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Then why can't they excel in football? The most carido intensive sport in the world with all their world class athletes. Mls pays well too

They don't care, just don't. Their best athletes never choose football. It isn't the most cardio intensive sport lol, what are you even on about? Compared to cricket it may look intensive but it is one of the easiest sports physically. 

They care enough about women's football and guess who is the GOAT there?

2 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Cricket requires substantial amount of endurance bro. Test cricket is not easy. 

 

Those indian guys may look unfit but remember they play in extreme heat in India and have the endurance to bowl with intensity all day and vice versa for batting. It's not as easy as you make it out to be. 

Yeah, but nah. Running a marathon in even 30 degrees heat is way tougher than anything test cricket has to offer. Sorry, no more posting from my end. 

[harpicP]

33 minutes ago, Gollum said:

See you are just trolling now.

Football is a sissy sport as well, ghanta real game. Tennis has 10 times the cardio requirements as football and guess which is the GOAT tennis nation, both male and female? Another matter that tennis' popularity has gone down the drain in USA. 

Not even talking about sports like ice hockey, combat sports, water polo which need 1000x the cardio as football, never mind cricket. And now tell me which country produces the best combat athletes....MMA, boxing, wrestling , judo...it will be USA followed by Russia, Brazil, Japan, Britain etc. One thing is constant and that is American supremacy. 

Goat tennis nation is america? 

 

Do you know how kuch footballers run lol. Sissy sport. Clearly you haven't played football at a high level. It's far from a sissy sport

 

Footballers fun 10 to 13 km per game. Epl players 3 games in a week at times. Way more cardio intensive than any sport in the world. There is a reason why they get paid so much. 

 

As for tennis, there is far too much stop start even in tennis and it's only played by elites in most countries. Best atheltes don't play tennis. 

 

Djokovic is goat. He is Serbian I believe. Not American 

 

Amreeka number 2? No even there there is Nadal 

 

Number 3? Oh no even there is Federer who is Swiss.

 

Maybe for women's tennis with Serena. But for men's? Yea maybe in doubles. Singles is what counts. They may have won all those titles in tennis when there was no competition like real madrid in football back in 60s where they won 5 champions league titles and played at a time where 5 odd teams were competitive. 

 

In mma boxing ? Are we just talking about hevayweight? Cause heavyweights are the baddest men on the planet. If you include all weight divisions then yea sure USA is top in combat sports. 

Even then Russia is taking over in the lower weight classes. In boxing too

 Canelo is there. Gaston rimariez is there. 

Then you have tyson fury

 

[harpicP]

36 minutes ago, Gollum said:

America is a nation of immigrants from Europe. 

 

And are Phelps, Jack Nicklaus, Sampras, Evert, BJK etc. brown or black. Bobby Fischer was middle eastern? 

 

Rich of Indians to talk smack about whites, USA, Europe etc. Bhai sun, India is a big fat zero in sports, whole world laughs at our ineptness, 1.4 billion people and our best of the best will lose to a bunch of college athletes from US, in many sports our best will be wiped out by high school kids of USA, ask Bajrang Punia. 

Yea that's true. We just don't have the sporting culture. Our parents and schools in general can't compete due to lack of encouragement and poor facilities.

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Yea that's true. We just don't have the sporting culture. Our parents and schools in general can't compete due to lack of encouragement and poor facilities.

Thank you, finally. First step in improvement is acceptance. Admitting our flaws, appreciating those better than us and learning from their best practices. Not getting defensive about everything and justifying our weaknesses/flaws, only losers do that. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gollum

[harpicP]

23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Thank you, finally. First step in improvement is acceptance. Admitting our flaws, appreciating those better than us and learning from their best practices. Not getting defensive about everything and justifying our weaknesses/flaws, only losers do that. 

Which indian parent openly encourages sport over education? Tell me one in India? 

 

It's not the case in America, Australia etc. If they identify talents early, they put them on special programs and groom them. They even get chess to accelerated athlete programs. Parents are more than fine with these arrangements in these countries.  We don't have the kind of luxury. China is doing it however. So we should learn and ape them.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by harpicP

[LordPrabhzy]

Been interesting reading this thread- and a very silly hypothetical.

 

Cricket is too complicated for Europeans or USA to pick up- even if NFL is complicated, its entrenched in their culture as their sport. Same we Indians wont adopt American football will we?

 

We need to admit that India is a rubbish sporting country which cant do well in a sport which is played at a good level by 4 countries... and people are talking here about if USA and China are serious lol- th whole international system will collapse, so will BCCI and the IPL. The money is there only because 1Bil indians have nothing better to do in their lives and have a fake superiority complex thinking that India is actually good at cricket- glory chasers rather than real fans. We saw how hockey was deserted by fans once the team wasnt good enough after past glorys. Atleast Hockey had 7/8 Medals.. Cricket just has 2 world cups for India

[Number]

Some really really good insightful posts by @Gollum and others here.

Tend to agree that if it was even the 5th most popular sport in US, they would make it really really difficult for others to compete with them.

The genes, sports culture, access to best facilities and nutritions, just scary what would they do.

Not just US but if a couple of other countries played cricket, Australia wouldn't have such a free run in world cups.

Brit sportsmen are sort of softies at least of last 6-7 decades. 

E.g. Aus are world beaters in hockey and probably the best team in last 20 years but Germany, Netherlands, Belgium have stopped them from having a free run. Unlike Commonwealth where they beat England, India, NZ for fun and win golds.

[Tillu]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

That American girl Katie Ledecky has better personal best in some her freestyle events than Indian national men all time records. She achieved the feat as a 20 year old.

 

This girl Summer McIntosh has better individual medley than our national men's record, she is now 17 and was better than India's best ever as a 16 year old. 

 

There are dozens hundreds of high school girls from USA, Australia, Canada, Hungary (landlocked country lol), who will place second/third in our national men's swimming championship. 

 

Kyu beizzat hona chahte ho Indians? Know your place, your aukaat and keep mum. Most pathetic people on this planet, it's one thing being this pathetic, but then follows the insane boasting and putting down others...well with this attitude, continue being a joke for the next 1000 years. Most beghairat qaum on this planet must be South Asians.....zero achievement but attitude like they rule the world. 

 

Kirat Vohli has the most Instagram followers after Ronaldo and Messi in sports. Ask the Americans to beat that. And if you didn't hear it a million times tell me who are the Ceos of Google and Microsoft.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Tillu

[Norman]

14 hours ago, the don said:

Pak will be a better t20 team than india in the long run, the t20 circuit has started tapping into grassroots and tape ball. 

 

You never learn. Do you? 

[harpicP]

26 minutes ago, Number said:

Some really really good insightful posts by @Gollum and others here.

Tend to agree that if it was even the 5th most popular sport in US, they would make it really really difficult for others to compete with them.

The genes, sports culture, access to best facilities and nutritions, just scary what would they do.

Not just US but if a couple of other countries played cricket, Australia wouldn't have such a free run in world cups.

Brit sportsmen are sort of softies at least of last 6-7 decades. 

E.g. Aus are world beaters in hockey and probably the best team in last 20 years but Germany, Netherlands, Belgium have stopped them from having a free run. Unlike Commonwealth where they beat England, India, NZ for fun and win golds.

America definitely will be a top side in shorter formats. Cricket is a very complicated sport but if Afghans are doing somewhat ok then American should be aeons better. 

 

Tests will take time even for americans though. 

 

Other nations that would be scary are nedtherlands if their top athletes pick cricket over football. 

 

Also some teams like Brazil given their population. 

 

In Europe I can see Germany, poms if they recruit players who play football, their athleticism would translate well. They looted too much money from us so that helps. 

 

Apparently there is a study about how colonialism has affected Indians in the sense that they are prone to diabetes. Starvation can cause diabetes. Obviously there are plenty of strong healthy indians but it was an interesting article nonetheless.

 

 

Countries like France who steal imports from every black nation will be a top team too.

 

[Gollum]

More than their teams, would be interesting to see the kind of pitches they offer, the playing conditions. I guess USA would be similar to Aus...massive stadiums, loud jeering crowds (most rowdy tennis crowds for instance), similar pitches (true, fair, all round entertainment and rewarding aggressive cricket), aura. Germany and some of the other European countries (Austria, Czech Republic, Poland etc) would be similar to Eng/NZ...dunno how Mediterranean conditions would be like. Again East Asia unknown....probably parts of North Africa will be similar to SC.....the altitude challenge in South American venues. Closer to equator they have the 4 o'clock showers...so used to it in hockey whenever it is played in Malaysia (Sultan Azlan Shah, Johor etc.)....so that would mess up cricket pitches/outfield on a daily basis. Impossible to play in most of Russia, Scandinavia, Canada....anyway they all play tennis indoors, much tougher to do with cricket. West Asia with their desert climate, again, who knows? Central Asia Steppe would be kind of cool I guess. So many possibilities, only cricket offers that much variety, tennis and golf a distant second.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gollum