WI Chief berates big 3 to do more for Test cricket

[MediumPacer]

1 minute ago, SRT100 said:

You really are ignorant and weird. I didnt even bring up Australia vs India in terms of sporting prowess until you raised the issue.

 

Australia is a great diverse sporting nation despite its small population.

I am sorry to upset you but there isnt much to show for .

[SRT100]

19 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

I am sorry to upset you but there isnt much to show for .

It doesnt upset me at all, Australia is a well respected sporting nation worldwide. Just look at all the gold medals at the Olympics.

 

I think youre upset because Australia does not care for cricket at all and not even remotely. Yet it consistently wins WC's. Australia winning the WC in 2023 was just meaningless to the majority of Australians. Im not making this up, any Indian in Australia will tell you the same, no one cared about Australia winning the WC. Not even a celebration, yet in India, there was tears and crying.

 

Dont worry I was upset too when India choked yet again in the only sport that it is even remotely competitive in.

[harpicP]

Australia are goat in cricket. 

In rugby union very average. Sa nz and England always crap on them

Elite in hockey

In soccer they are like top 30 ish

In swimming they are top as they have good facilities. 

 

Tennis handball etc all mediocre. 

 

They are good at cycling in Olympics.

 

Athletics wise and weightlifting and wrestling they arent good. 

 

They have some decent pro boxing champions in lower weight divisions. 

 

 

So yea 3 sports where they are at the top. 

Some individal sports where they perform reasonably well. 

Pretty good for a country with low population. They have a good youth system through school and universities. 

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

It doesnt upset me at all, Australia is a well respected sporting nation worldwide. Just look at all the gold medals at the Olympics.

 

I think youre upset because Australia does not care for cricket at all and not even remotely. Yet it consistently wins WC's. Australia winning the WC in 2023 was just meaningless to the majority of Australians. Im not making this up, any Indian in Australia will tell you the same, no one cared about Australia winning the WC. Not even a celebration, yet in India, there was tears and crying.

 

Dont worry I was upset too when India choked yet again in the only sport that it is even remotely competitive in.

Olympics aren't big in most countries,even then countries like China are ahead of Australia .

 

Australia are overhyped ,other that cricket they hardly win anything else.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

5 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

Great. Enjoy your t20s.

 

The whole point is when you make a fortune with other formats...you can easily subsidize test cricket which is actual cricket.

 

With enough support, test cricket can evolve into a dependable niche sport as developing nations grow and become economically stronger.

 

This requires long term thinking but thats too much to ask from boards.

 

So lets celebrate the mediocrity that is t20s and odis.

 

There is no such thing as "actual" cricket. What does that even mean?  It reeks of elitism and snobbery that is much more in accordance with how old grandams sitting at the MCC would view cricket.  

 

Test cricket is already dead. 

 

If the ICC succeeds in growing the sport in America, China and elsewhere , it will be through T20 cricket .

 

If those countries become cricketing nations , there will be increasing demand for the expansion of T20 leagues to include these players .

 

T20 league windows will , de facto, increase.   

 

Who will play Test cricket and when in that cricket ecosystem ?

 

It's a myth that Test cricket can survive in a 3 format sport. 

 

It's goose was cooked the moment IPL came into existence .

 

Even if the ICC tries to at this point, the top players from smaller boards will increasingly choose leagues and white ball cricket which will further devalue the Test format .

 

Other than longing for the bygone glory years of Test cricket, there is nothing more to look forward to there. 

 

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

Great. Enjoy your t20s.

 

The whole point is when you make a fortune with other formats...you can easily subsidize test cricket which is actual cricket.

 

With enough support, test cricket can evolve into a dependable niche sport as developing nations grow and become economically stronger.

 

This requires long term thinking but thats too much to ask from boards.

 

So lets celebrate the mediocrity that is t20s and odis.

I agree 100%. Boards and ICC have to subsidze test cricket.BCCI and big three are doing it to some extent.

 

Test cricket is hard, teams who have no real FC infrastructure cannot compete.That is why weaker teams always look for shorter formats.

 

Anyway test matches between mistmatched teams are useless. I think two tier system needs to be adopted officially.

 

6 teams in tier 1 and 6 in tier 2. Legacy series like Ashes would be problem.For time being both of them are good teams.

[LordPrabhzy]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

I agree 100%. Boards and ICC have to subsidze test cricket.BCCI and big three are doing it to some extent.

 

Test cricket is hard, teams who have no real FC infrastructure cannot compete.That is why weaker teams always look for shorter formats.

 

Anyway test matches between mistmatched teams are useless. I think two tier system needs to be adopted officially.

 

6 teams in tier 1 and 6 in tier 2. Legacy series like Ashes would be problem.For time being both of them are good teams.

lol how would that work?

 

The weak teams just about make some money when the big 3 tour for tests... in a tier where they only play minnows, they would probs give up playing test matches altogether. Without a interest in the long format, the first class structure will never be string and the test team will also be weak- lets face it this format is dead within the next decade

Edited January 17 by LordPrabhzy

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

lol how would that work?

 

The weak times just about make some money when the big 3 tour for tests... in a tier where they only play minnows, they would probs give up playing test matches altogether. Without a interest in the ling format, the first class structure will never be string and the test team will also be weak- lets face it this format is dead within the next decade

Tier 2 teams don't  have to play 10 or 12 tests. They could play 5 or 6 and if they do well, top two 2 teams  should be promoted to tier 1 and bottom two teams in tier 1 will be demoted.

 

SL vs Bangladesh ,Wi vs Bangladesh, SL vs Zim are being played now also.They are just not being called  tier 2.

 

Bottom two teams in tier 1 would give more importance to test cricket . It is win , win for every team.

 

Your views.

Edited January 17 by putrevus

[LordPrabhzy]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Tier 2 teams don't  have to play 10 or 12 tests. They could play 5 or 6 and if they do well, top two 2 teams  should be promoted to tier 1 and bottom two teams in tier 1 will be demoted.

 

SL vs Bangladesh ,Wi vs Bangladesh, SL vs Zim are being played now also.They are just not being called  tier 2.

 

Bottom two teams in tier 1 would give more importance to test cricket . It is win , win for every team.

 

Your views.

yeah theoretically but lets assume these boards do a cost benefit analysis? to play 5 tests a year, the cost the boards incur from having a first class structure etc, touring costs would still make it uneconomical. The minnow tests are happening now because there is 'some' money in their coffers from the big 3 tours- without this, they would prefer to invest whatever they have into t20 grassroots

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

yeah theoretically but lets assume these boards do a cost benefit analysis? to play 5 tests a year, the cost the boards incur from having a first class structure etc, touring costs would still make it uneconomical. The minnow tests are happening now because there is 'some' money in their coffers from the big 3 tours- without this, they would prefer to invest whatever they have into t20 grassroots

I never said Big three should not stop playing those teams in shorter formats.

 

SL, WI, NZ, SA, even Ireland, Afg , Bangladesh, all have FC structure.

 

Without FC structure you cannot play cricket.Only idiots think t20 is enough to produce cricketers.

Edited January 17 by putrevus

[LordPrabhzy]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I never said Big three should not stop playing those teams in shorter formats.

 

SL, WI, NZ, SA, even Ireland, Afg , Bangladesh, all have FC structure.

 

Without FC structure you cannot play cricket.Only idiots think t20 is enough to produce cricketers.

 

In your idea of a two tier system when would Ind or Aus play tests with Zim and Ireland? Im not talking about white ball cricket but even saying that how many white balls series does Aus and India or even Eng have agains Zim or Ireland- they are very small right now due to FTP obligations. Aus have yet to play a series against Afg in any format.

 

These countries have first class systems because they play tests now- if playing T20s generated them more money in the long run there wouldnt be a need to have a FC structure will there 

 

You yourself are confusing yourself on what you want 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

In your idea of a two tier system when would Ind or Aus play tests with Zim and Ireland? Im not talking about white ball cricket but even saying that how many white balls series does Aus and India or even Eng have agains Zim or Ireland- they are very small right now due to FTP obligations. Aus have yet to play a series against Afg in any format.

 

These countries have first class systems because they play tests now- if playing T20s generated them more money in the long run there wouldnt be a need to have a FC structure will there 

 

You yourself are confusing yourself on what you want 

I am not confused at all. You are getting confused, you are expecting miracles and complicating the issue.

 

India or any big three will keep playing what ever whiteball cricket they are currently playing or if needed will increase bilaterals in whiteball cricket to generate revenue for smaller teams. India does tour these countries just to generate revenue .Aussies are main cultprits, they need to be pushed to play some cricket with smaller teams.

 

They will still play test cricket  but it will among tier 2 teams.That is what is happening even now.When did Australia play Ireland or Afghanistan in test cricket.

 

Let us worry about short terms then we will see about long term.

[harpicP]

12 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

There is no such thing as "actual" cricket. What does that even mean?  It reeks of elitism and snobbery that is much more in accordance with how old grandams sitting at the MCC would view cricket.  

 

Test cricket is already dead. 

 

If the ICC succeeds in growing the sport in America, China and elsewhere , it will be through T20 cricket .

 

If those countries become cricketing nations , there will be increasing demand for the expansion of T20 leagues to include these players .

 

T20 league windows will , de facto, increase.   

 

Who will play Test cricket and when in that cricket ecosystem ?

 

It's a myth that Test cricket can survive in a 3 format sport. 

 

It's goose was cooked the moment IPL came into existence .

 

Even if the ICC tries to at this point, the top players from smaller boards will increasingly choose leagues and white ball cricket which will further devalue the Test format .

 

Other than longing for the bygone glory years of Test cricket, there is nothing more to look forward to there. 

 

Logically just think about it though. 

 

Bowl 4 overs in t20. Have a longer career. Bat 20 overs Max. Won't even reach 3 overs In most cases.

Play leagues 3 times a year. IpL. Run it like a long premier league. 

 

Players raking in millions cause for each quarter season they get close to a million. Like 400 k to 1 mil for a 2 month tourney. Make that throughout the year. 3 times. Easily 2 mil plus for an average player. Elite ones would make 5 to 10 mil even. That's not even counting ad money and other advertisements. 

 

Now compare that with test cricket which really at the moment is played for prestige legendary status with no monetary benefit. 

 

Only big 3 can afford to pay big money for test players. Even then playing 2 to 3 times in franchise cricket with significantly less workload could allow you to benefit much more financially. Cummins contract with Australia 1.5 mil odd for tests. He got 4 mil for just 2 month work in IPL. Ad money however gets boosted due to test performances. So in a way big 3 perhaps have a reason to play tests. Then again, play ipl 3 times a year, Cummins can triple his pay with relative ease. 

 

Less injuries, less workload and longer career whilst earning you substantially more money?? I mean that's like asking would you work for Microsoft that pays 200 k and slog for 70 hours a week vs 200 k plus at Google got just a standard  38 to 45 hours a week schedule. 

 

Having said that, world cup will remain premier events. It will be like Fifa world cups. So we will be playing our regular tourneys for our leagues via ipl, perhaps 2 to 3 times a year. Test cricket will badically be reduced to a coppa italia, FA cup level tourney.  Focus will be mainly on world cups which will happen every 2 to 4 years however don't expect every player to play with full intensity at world cups as many will look to preserve their bodies for t20 franchise leagues. 

 

Odi world cup and t20 would cups will be important in the grand scheme of things. Franchise cricket will take precedence just like epl does for footballers ofcourse and test workload will be reduced outside big 3. Besides this, bilaterals will cease to exist most likely. Cause when you add t20 tournaments multiple times a year there really won't be much time, effort and resources available to schedule bilateral events. It will just be tests and occasional mini multi team tournaments to prepare for a WC.

Edited January 17 by harpicP

[harpicP]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

I never said Big three should not stop playing those teams in shorter formats.

 

SL, WI, NZ, SA, even Ireland, Afg , Bangladesh, all have FC structure.

 

Without FC structure you cannot play cricket.Only idiots think t20 is enough to produce cricketers.

Playing first class cricket as a kid is a must. Once you get older, reach 18. Play 2 to 3 full seasons of domestic first class cricket then go ahead and explore t20 leagues test cricket if you want to etc. Odi outside world cups is dead. 

 

 

[harpicP]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

I am not confused at all. You are getting confused, you are expecting miracles and complicating the issue.

 

India or any big three will keep playing what ever whiteball cricket they are currently playing or if needed will increase bilaterals in whiteball cricket to generate revenue for smaller teams. India does tour these countries just to generate revenue .Aussies are main cultprits, they need to be pushed to play some cricket with smaller teams.

 

They will still play test cricket  but it will among tier 2 teams.That is what is happening even now.When did Australia play Ireland or Afghanistan in test cricket.

 

Let us worry about short terms then we will see about long term.

No wonder we sometimes get tired due to excessive travel and workload. So we lose some series like nz one etc dut to timing. However, our selections are still rubbish and we usually go under prepared for SA and nz tours. Even England tours.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, harpicP said:

Logically just think about it though. 

 

Bowl 4 overs in t20. Have a longer career. Bat 20 overs Max. Won't even reach 3 overs In most cases.

Play leagues 3 times a year. IpL. Run it like a long premier league. 

 

Players raking in millions cause for each quarter season they get close to a million. Like 400 k to 1 mil for a 2 month tourney. Make that throughout the year. 3 times. Easily 2 mil plus for an average player. Elite ones would make 5 to 10 mil even. That's not even counting ad money and other advertisements. 

 

Now compare that with test cricket which really at the moment is played for prestige legendary status with no monetary benefit. 

 

Only big 3 can afford to pay big money for test players. Even then playing 2 to 3 times in franchise cricket with significantly less workload could allow you to benefit much more financially. Cummins contract with Australia 1.5 mil odd for tests. He got 4 mil for just 2 month work in IPL. Ad money however gets boosted due to test performances. So in a way big 3 perhaps have a reason to play tests. Then again, play ipl 3 times a year, Cummins can triple his pay with relative ease. 

 

Less injuries, less workload and longer career whilst earning you substantially more money?? I mean that's like asking would you work for Microsoft that pays 200 k and slog for 70 hours a week vs 200 k plus at Google got just a standard  38 to 45 hours a week schedule. 

 

Having said that, world cup will remain premier events. It will be like Fifa world cups. So we will be playing our regular tourneys for our leagues via ipl, perhaps 2 to 3 times a year. Test cricket will badically be reduced to a coppa italia, FA cup level tourney.  Focus will be mainly on world cups which will happen every 2 to 4 years however don't expect every player to play with full intensity at world cups as many will look to preserve their bodies for t20 franchise leagues. 

 

Odi world cup and t20 would cups will be important in the grand scheme of things. Franchise cricket will take precedence just like epl does for footballers ofcourse and test workload will be reduced outside big 3. Besides this, bilaterals will cease to exist most likely. Cause when you add t20 tournaments multiple times a year there really won't be much time, effort and resources available to schedule bilateral events. It will just be tests and occasional mini multi team tournaments to prepare for a WC.

Thats what the calendar will be in the 2023-27 cycle.

 

But even these 2 Tests that SA plays, I'm not sure they would want to play a whole lot of Test cricket at if it weren't for Test "status" and WTC!

 

Even boards like ECB and CA make losses hosting bilateral series unless the other or India tours .  

 

It's a disaster.   CA are 100% going to make big losses this summer. Just waiting for India next year to cover it up.

 

In such an ecosystem , you can't blame boards like CSA for investing in SA20 instead. 

 

It's the right decision. 

 

Even BCCI will support this format only upto a point. 

 

The value of our bilateral rights has declined .

 

I expect us to start reducing Tests in favour of white ball cricket at some point at least in the next cycle. 

Edited January 18 by Nikhil_cric

[harpicP]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Thats what the calendar will be in the 2023-27 cycle.

 

But even these 2 Tests that SA plays, I'm not sure they would want to play a whole lot of Test cricket at if it weren't for Test "status" and WTC!

 

Even boards like ECB and CA make losses hosting bilateral series unless the other or India tours .  

 

It's a disaster.   CA are 100% going to make big losses this summer. Just waiting for India next year to cover it up.

 

In such an ecosystem , you can't blame boards like CSA for investing in SA20 instead. 

 

It's the right decision. 

 

Even BCCI will support this format only upto a point. 

 

The value of our bilateral rights has declined .

 

I expect us to start reducing Tests in favour of white ball cricket at some point at least in the next cycle. 

It's sad. I really want test cricket to continue but it just doesn't seem feasible from a monetary point of view. 

 

The prestige value of tests is dwindling anyway

[Nikhil_cric]

7 hours ago, harpicP said:

Playing first class cricket as a kid is a must. Once you get older, reach 18. Play 2 to 3 full seasons of domestic first class cricket then go ahead and explore t20 leagues test cricket if you want to etc. Odi outside world cups is dead. 

 

 

ODIs outside World Cup are still better off than Test cricket in all of WI , SA, IND, SL, PAK, BD. Unsure about NZ .  Only England maybe Australia has it the other way round

 

Also a few ODIs are necessary to build up to a 50 over World Cup. 

 

They just have to structure it better.

 

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[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, harpicP said:

It's sad. I really want test cricket to continue but it just doesn't seem feasible from a monetary point of view. 

 

The prestige value of tests is dwindling anyway

In the last decade , Cricket Australia made significant losses in 3 seasons.  2016/17 when PAK/RSA toured., 2019/20 when PAK and NZ toured and last year when SA and Windies toured. 

 

Considering that both PAK and WI have both toured this season, it will be 2 consecutive years of massive losses. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[harpicP]

35 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

In the last decade , Cricket Australia made significant losses in 3 seasons.  2016/17 when PAK/RSA toured., 2019/20 when PAK and NZ toured and last year when SA and Windies toured. 

 

Considering that both PAK and WI have both toured this season, it will be 2 consecutive years of massive losses. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are also making losses at home outside the other 2 big teams and maybe SA.