T20 xi:Conundrum..How to balance Bowling Penetration with Batting Depth!

[Need4Speed]

With this fear less young brigade..it gives us a new hope after Test Match debacles..like a breath of fresh air..

 

As strong as it is..here is still scope of making it formidable..while planning for 2026 wcup..keeping fitness issues aside..these below players can walk in and cant be ignored..

 

Boom

Mayank

Jaswal

Parag

 

Now, looking at our bowling..Pandya is good AR but not my first choice as opening bowler..

 

Here are my most penetrative bowlers not in any particular order..

 

Boom

Arshdeep

Mayank

Harshit

Varun C

Bishnoi

 

How do we fit them in xi..if we want to keep batting till number 8..i will prefer 4 penetrative bowlers..ably support by Pandya..and other ARs..

 

Boom

Varun C

Arsh\Mayank\Harshit\Bishnoi

Arsh\Mayank\Harshit\Bishnoi

Pandya

 

Harshit gives us a cushion of batting..still to prove but there is potential with bat..atleast in T20s

 

If Riyan Parag can work on his consistency and carrom balls..then Bishnoi may be replaced by him..

 

I need 2 penetrative spinners as the wcup is In India..so this could be our line up

 

A Sharma

Jswal\Samson

Tilak\Jswal\SKY\WK(if Samson misses out)

Tilak\SKY\NKR\WK(if Samson misses out)

Dube\Parag\Rinku\NKR

Pandya

Axar\Parag

Arsh\Mayank\Harshit\Bishnoi

Arsh\Mayank\Harshit\Bishnoi

Boom

Varun C

 

How can we make our xi..keeping the bowling most penetrative and explosive batting till 8th..

 

I think If Parag steps up his bowling..it can sort out lot of our issues..we dont need Bishnoi then..

 

Edited Sunday at 10:03 PM by Need4Speed

[express bowling]

1. Abhishek .. spin 

2. Jaiswal 

3. SKY

4. Tilak

5. Nitish .. medium pace

6. WK batsman 

7.  Hardik .. pace

8.  Axar .. spin

9. Harshit / Mayank .. pace

10. Bumrah / Arshdeep .. pace

11. Varun C .. spin 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:15 PM by express bowling

[BacktoCricaddict]

46 minutes ago, express bowling said:

1. Abhishek .. spin 

2. Jaiswal 

3. SKY

4. Tilak

5. Nitish .. medium pace

6. Parag .. spin 

7.  Hardik .. pace

8.  Axar .. spin

9. Harshit / Mayank .. pace

10. Bumrah / Arshdeep .. pace

11. Varun C .. spin 

 

No room for Rinku, but it is what it is. Others like Varma have emerged.

 

Perhaps, we could do: 3/4 - between SKY/Tilak/Rinku depending on form/opposition.

 

 

[Need4Speed]

my bad..totally forgot NKR..there are so many talented youngsters..let me add

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

1. Abhishek .. spin 

2. Jaiswal 

3. SKY

4. Tilak

5. Nitish .. medium pace

6. Parag .. spin 

7.  Hardik .. pace

8.  Axar .. spin

9. Harshit / Mayank .. pace

10. Bumrah / Arshdeep .. pace

11. Varun C .. spin 

 

Who will keep the wickets..

Also..I want to keep 4 penetrative bowlers atleast..as I dont need 8 bowlers..as long as 4 are penetrative..6/7 bowlers are fine too..extra bowlers are luxury..need are you also assuming Parag can step up?

Having said that even 3 penetrative bowlers..and 2 decent bowlers can do the job for us..

but 4 penetrative bowlers can make us really formiddable..Hence I hope Parag can develop some carrom bowls like Sikandar Raza and Saim Ayub..and be consistent..

[customcric]

Are we forgetting kuldeep yadav? 

Him and varun would be world class in the middle overs

 

He took 9/94 in 5 matches leading to the final 

 

Batters

jaiswal, abhishek, sky, parag, dube, rinku, tilak, pandya, reddy, 

 

Wk

Samson, pant

 

Spinners

Axar, varun, kuldeep, bishnoi

 

Pace

Bumrah, arshdeep, mayank, harshit

 

Thats who the squad should be built around.

 

Jaiswal

Abhishek

Sky(c)

Tilak 

Pandya

Dube

Axar

Kuldeep

Arshdeep

Bumrah

Varun

 

Bench:

Samson, parag, reddy, mayak, 

 

Reserves

Rinku, pant, Harshit, bishnoi

 

Batting to 8 is ideal but cant find that top 8 batter but partner for bumrah and cant drop tilak on his form, and dube on killing spinners in india. Also someone must learn to keep.

 

[singhvivek141]

1. Abhishek

2. Jaiswal

3. SKY (captain)

4. Tilak/Rinku 

5. Parag

6. Hardik/Nitish

7. Jitesh (wk)

8. Babu

9. Bumrah/Arshdeep

10. Harshit/Mayank

11. Bishnoi/VC

 

If Jitesh doesn't fit the bill, drop him for PrabhSimran who will bat at no 3, and everyone else comes down by one position.

[Suhaan]

34 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

1. Abhishek

2. Jaiswal

3. SKY (captain)

4. Tilak/Rinku 

5. Parag

6. Hardik/Nitish

7. Jitesh (wk)

8. Babu

9. Bumrah/Arshdeep

10. Harshit/Mayank

11. Bishnoi/VC

 

If Jitesh doesn't fit the bill, drop him for PrabhSimran who will bat at no 3, and everyone else comes down by one position.

Jitesh is way bad,I will rather add Pantatunga

[tweaker]

Abhishek 

Samson

Tilak

Surya

Parag

Nitish

Hardik 

Harshit 

Axar

Varun

Arshdeep 

 

Rinku

Dube

Bishnoi

 

 

[deepdynamo]

The sweet spot in a T20 is batting till 8 and three genuine bowling wicket takers. You can't have a bowling allrounder at No. 9 if his bowling is just okay. Also, GG , in this series, had an healthy obsession of playing two lead spinners ( who can't bat). Don't think that strategy is feasible going forward as we need two lead fast bowler at least in the playing XI.

 

Lets identify the three wicket taking bowlers- N0.9, No.10 and No.11
Boom, Arshdeep, Mayank, Rana are the four fast bowlers. Pick any 2- Boom and Arshdeep.
Varun, Bishnoi, Kuldeep are your three spinners. Pick any 1 - Varun.

Now lets pick the two genuine allrounders - the bowlers who can be dead sure to bowl their quota of 4 overs.
Pandya, Axar, Washington

 

Now 6 batsman are left where we have plethora of options. We also have to make sure that at least one of then bowl.
The batsman (12) - take your pick. 
Jaiswal, Abishek, Gill,  Samson, Tilak, Sky, Rinku, Pant, Nitish, Parag, Dube, Ramandeep

Abishek (can bowl)
Samson (wk)
Tilak (can bowl)
Sky (c)
Dube (can bowl)
Parag (can bowl)

The travesty is quality batters like Jaiswal, Rinku and even Nitish is hard to fit in XI. 

 

[singhvivek141]

37 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Jitesh is way bad,I will rather add Pantatunga

At no 7 even if he scores 20(12) then it's enough. Jitesh's keeping is good as well.

 

Pant if he bats then it will become leftie crowded at the top, with SKY being the sole rightie.

 

PrabhSimran can be a good alternative, he can go berserk from ball one. Keeping wise too he is good.

 

Jurel is the best keeper, but he isn't that explosive with the bat. More suited for ODI's & Tests. 

Edited Monday at 03:42 AM by singhvivek141

[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

At no 7 even if he scores 20(12) then it's enough. Jitesh's keeping is good as well.

 

Pant if he bats then it will become leftie crowded at the top, with SKY being the sole rightie.

 

PrabhSimran can be a good alternative, he can go berserk from ball one. Keeping wise too he is good.

 

Jurel is the best keeper, but he isn't that explosive with the bat. More suited for ODI's & Tests. 

Jitesh can't handle anything

He is a mediocre cricketer what he can do Pant does better

I'm not advocating for Pant to be integral part of the T20 xi,it's because we don't have proper T20 wkbatter

And pant to me looks a best stop gap option,maybe he can be best

He certainly can go for big shots early

Samson has a habit of scoring after a long chain of lulls

[cowboysfan]

next WC is in India so we need to persist with a spin heavy side .I would also replace Rinku with Parag since he can bowl.Tilak looks more comfortable at 3.Samson has to prude  in the IPL or he will be replaced with Jaiswal.

[Chamsi]

3 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

The sweet spot in a T20 is batting till 8 and three genuine bowling wicket takers. You can't have a bowling allrounder at No. 9 if his bowling is just okay. Also, GG , in this series, had an healthy obsession of playing two lead spinners ( who can't bat). Don't think that strategy is feasible going forward as we need two lead fast bowler at least in the playing XI.

 

Lets identify the three wicket taking bowlers- N0.9, No.10 and No.11
Boom, Arshdeep, Mayank, Rana are the four fast bowlers. Pick any 2- Boom and Arshdeep.
Varun, Bishnoi, Kuldeep are your three spinners. Pick any 1 - Varun.

Now lets pick the two genuine allrounders - the bowlers who can be dead sure to bowl their quota of 4 overs.
Pandya, Axar, Washington

 

Now 6 batsman are left where we have plethora of options. We also have to make sure that at least one of then bowl.
The batsman (12) - take your pick. 
Jaiswal, Abishek, Gill,  Samson, Tilak, Sky, Rinku, Pant, Nitish, Parag, Dube, Ramandeep

Abishek (can bowl)
Samson (wk)
Tilak (can bowl)
Sky (c)
Dube (can bowl)
Parag (can bowl)

The travesty is quality batters like Jaiswal, Rinku and even Nitish is hard to fit in XI. 

 

If India makes a team for each format, like you are thinking, then they can probably choose from 20-30 good players in the IPL, and in all formats, that number goes to 40 considering players from Ranji Trophy. It is better for them to manage fewer players who play for India in all formats. Whoever is good in T20 from the BGT team and CT team will play T20s and they will have only one captain, Gill. None of the players you mentioned have forte in other formats so eventually they won't be picked in T20s. IPL is not the only criteria for T20, and is only one of the criteria for ODI and Test.
In short, Tilak, Abhishek, Sanju Samson, Dube, Parag, Ramandeep and the mystery spinners won't play in IT20s. The main point is there are very few, in-form all format players, while there are several one-format specialists who may or may not be long-term investments in branding and mgmt. That is why we don't see Ankit Bawne in Tests, for e.g.

Edited Monday at 06:39 AM by Chamsi

[Need4Speed]

what if we play these 4 bowlers..

 

 

8- Harshit

9-Boom

10-Mayank

11-VC

 

5th  bowler:Pandya

6th bowlers:Parag, A Sharma,Tilak,NKR

 

unfortunately Axar misses..anyways we are not able to use his batting well at number 8..so if we need to tonk..may be Harshit can work on batting too..

 

so team may look like this..

 

1. Abhishek  

2. Jaiswal \Samson(wk)

3. SKY

4. Tilak

5. Parag

6. Pandya

7.  WK batsman\Dube .

8- Harshit

9-Boom

10-Mayank\Arshdeep

11-VC

 

We have batting till 8 and have good penetration in bowling too..lot of pace bowling options too..helps in dew and flatter tracks..they can bend backs , hit the deck and bowl sharp short pitch bowls and even slower ones..

Though we are short of one spinner..but we need to utilize Parag and A Sharma's bowling too..lets not waste this luxury..and not underbowl them..

 

Also a wild thought: if we are not finding a good WK batter at #7..why not let Sanju have it a go..at 6/7 position..he can play pace well too..and has fluent strokeplay..could be handy during death hitting..This helps fitting in Jswal at top..and I know it will be tough for Sanju..but he can try to adapt as he has quality and class..

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:36 AM by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, customcric said:

Are we forgetting kuldeep yadav? 

Him and varun would be world class in the middle overs

 

He took 9/94 in 5 matches leading to the final 

 

Batters

jaiswal, abhishek, sky, parag, dube, rinku, tilak, pandya, reddy, 

 

Wk

Samson, pant

 

Spinners

Axar, varun, kuldeep, bishnoi

 

Pace

Bumrah, arshdeep, mayank, harshit

 

Thats who the squad should be built around.

 

Jaiswal

Abhishek

Sky(c)

Tilak 

Pandya

Dube

Axar

Kuldeep

Arshdeep

Bumrah

Varun

 

Bench:

Samson, parag, reddy, mayak, 

 

Reserves

Rinku, pant, Harshit, bishnoi

 

Batting to 8 is ideal but cant find that top 8 batter but partner for bumrah and cant drop tilak on his form, and dube on killing spinners in india. Also someone must learn to keep.

 

Keeper missing.. Also I like Kuldeep..but as the wkt went flat he got a hammering..with the possibility of dew..it could be tougher for him..What I also see is there is a preference towards faster in the air mystery spinners instead of flighting ones..VC is the first spinner..its very close between Bishnoi and Kuldeep..but Bishnoi is getting slight edge due to the reasons mentioned earlier..

[Chamsi]

10 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

what if we play these 4 bowlers..

 

 

8- Harshit

9-Boom

10-Mayank

11-VC

 

5th  bowler:Pandya

6th bowlers:Parag, A Sharma,Tilak,NKR

 

unfortunately Axar misses..anyways we are not able to use his batting well at number 8..so if we need to tonk..may be Harshit can work on batting too..

 

so team may look like this..

 

1. Abhishek  

2. Jaiswal \Samson(wk)

3. SKY

4. Tilak

5. Parag

6. Pandya

7.  WK batsman\Dube .

8- Harshit

9-Boom

10-Mayank\Arshdeep

11-VC

 

We have batting till 8 and have good penetration in bowling too..lot of pace bowling options too..helps in dew and flatter tracks..they can bend backs , hit the deck and bowl sharp short pitch bowls and even slower ones..

Though we are short of one spinner..but we need to utilize Parag and A Sharma's bowling too..lets not waste this luxury..and not underbowl them..

 

Also a wild thought: if we are not finding a good WK batter at #7..why not let Sanju have it a go..at 6/7 position..he can play pace well too..and has fluent strokeplay..could be handy during death hitting..This helps fitting in Jswal at top..and I know it will be tough for Sanju..but he can try to adapt as he has quality and class..

 

 

Rinku Singh and Arshdeep are stars. Gill is going to be the next all-format captain, and Axar Patel is already VC, he is not going anywhere. The wicket-keeper in the middle-order will be Jurel.

[cowboysfan]

you guys have unfounded faith in Mayank,dude has shown he cannot even stay healthy for 4 matches in a row,his first task is to actually show he is CAPABLE of staying healthy.

[Need4Speed]

8 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

Rinku Singh and Arshdeep are stars. Gill is going to be the next all-format captain, and Axar Patel is already VC, he is not going anywhere. The wicket-keeper in the middle-order will be Jurel.

Gill is already losing GT captaincy to Rashid.. BCCI can easily take their hands off Gill and put them on Abhishek..their only loyalty is money.. Jurel wont find a place if he cant fit in T20s..

 

[Need4Speed]

Just now, cowboysfan said:

you guys have unfounded faith in Mayank,dude has shown he cannot even stay healthy for 4 matches in a row,his first task is to actually show he is CAPABLE of staying healthy.

yes he needs to prove his fitness and consistency but the post is based on keeping fitness issues aside..hence he is there..