Court Blocks Trump's Order to Send Transgender Women to Male Prisons

[Alam_dar]

Court Blocks Trump's Order to Send Transgender Women to Male Prisons:

It is deeply unfortunate that far-right religious groups have managed to undermine the rights of vulnerable transgender individuals. Equally concerning is the fact that supporting transgender rights has become a politically sensitive issue that could harm us. However, standing for justice should not be about short-term political gain. I firmly believe that protecting transgender people remains the right thing to do, regardless of the political cost.

Although this battle is ongoing, justice is ultimately on our side. A major step forward occurred when the courts blocked Trump’s directive that would have forced transgender women into male prisons. Reuters.

The ruling was based on several key points:

1. Transgender Women Face Extreme Harm in Male Prisons: Numerous government reports and legal rulings, including Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825 (1994), have confirmed that transgender individuals suffer significantly higher rates of physical and sexual violence when housed in prisons that match their biological sex rather than their gender identity. People are raped, and assaulted, and even killed for being trans. The Trump administration’s legal team did not even attempt to challenge this point in court, essentially conceding both the legal and moral argument.
2. Right-Wing Arguments Are Based on Rare Cases: The most common counterargument is that transgender women with a history of sexual offenses might pose a risk to female inmates. While there have been isolated cases, they are extremely rare compared to the widespread violence transgender women face in male prisons. The harm caused by placing transgender women in male facilities far outweighs the risk posed by the few cases where transgender offenders have committed crimes in female prisons.

Trans women, unlike cisgender men, undergo hormone therapy and take testosterone blockers, which significantly reduce their muscle mass and overall physical strength. This hormonal transition makes them physically more fragile, often bringing their strength levels closer to those of cisgender women rather than cis men.  

Because of this, placing trans women in men's prisons puts them at severe risk. In most cases, they are completely defenseless against the physical aggression of powerful cisgender male inmates, many of whom have histories of violent crime. Prisons are already environments where physical dominance plays a major role in survival, and trans women—lacking the biological advantages that cis men have—are often unable to protect themselves.  

This is why many human rights advocates argue that trans women should be housed in women's facilities. Ignoring these biological and medical realities can lead to severe consequences, including increased violence, assault, and psychological trauma and even killing for trans inmates.

Perfection Is Not Possible, but Solutions Exist:

There is no 100% perfect God present in the heavens. Thus, our world is not 100% perfect. We face a lot of challenges, and we have to make a lot of compromises to survive in this imperfect world. 

Yet, far-right religious groups demand an unrealistic, absolute solution—one that simply denies the existence of transgender people. This refusal to acknowledge reality only deepens the suffering of transgender individuals, pushing many toward extreme distress and even suicide.

A practical approach must involve compromise. The possible solutions are:

1. Dedicated transgender prison facilities (an ideal but costly and logistically difficult option).

2. Placing trans women in male prisons (proven to be highly dangerous).

3. Placing trans women in female prisons while carefully monitoring behavior and, if necessary, transferring offenders to solitary confinement or male facilities—this was the previous policy before Trump’s orders.

Even if a transgender woman is not physically assaulted in a male prison, simply being forced to live as a man—being referred to as male, forced to wear male clothing, and subjected to male searches—causes significant psychological harm. Government reports and psychiatric studies confirm that this distress alone is enough to cause severe mental health issues.

When these reports were presented in court, once again, the Trump administration’s lawyers did not contest them. This marks another legal and moral defeat for those who seek to erase transgender identities.

The far-right’s refusal to accept scientific reality only worsens the suffering of transgender people. While there are risks with any policy, the solution should not be to ignore or erase an entire group’s rights. As history has shown, progress may be slow, but justice will ultimately prevail.

It is unfortunate that:

• How the religious right wing is so focused on allegedly protecting cis women for rape (which is of course important) but won’t stop the rape that happens among people of the same sex and gender, especially in men’s prisons.
• They know that trans people will suffer under their policies, and they see that as a feature, not a bug. They want trans people to be assaulted, they want them back in hiding because it makes them feel slightly uncomfortable.

• Having a group of people that live outside the prescribed roles of gender in society is disruptive to the core beliefs of patriarchy, into which conservatives and religious people have sunk so much importance throughout the years. Think of all the aspects of society that they believe are immutable and god given. One is raised based on the expectations of one’s sex from birth, and any deviation from that is a direct assault against god’s plan. The sheer amount of psychological power they would lose over their flock if someone could choose to live not by god’s plan but by one’s own sense of self. It would be a world of chaos in their minds because they believe god creates order in the universe.

 

Far Right Argument: Reform Male Prisons Instead:

 

A common argument from far-right religious groups is: "Why not reform male prisons instead of transferring trans women to women's prisons?"

 

While prison reform is an important and necessary discussion, it is a separate issue from the immediate concerns we are addressing. Our focus here is on minimizing harm to transgender individuals within the current prison system. Reforming male prisons is a long-term goal, but it does not solve the urgent risks faced by trans women in male facilities today. We must prioritize their safety and well-being within the existing framework while advocating for broader systemic changes in the future.

Scandinavian countries, particularly Norway and Finland, have implemented mixed (unisex?) prisons. These systems often feature "open prisons," where inmates experience conditions that closely resemble life outside incarceration. In Norway, prisons like Halden are designed to simulate a village environment, promoting a sense of normalcy and community among inmates. This approach aims to prepare prisoners for successful reintegration into society upon release. Research indicates that these rehabilitative models have yielded positive outcomes. Centre for Economic Policy Research.

For individuals convicted of violent or aggressive crimes, separate wings or specialized confinement may be necessary. However, for non-violent offenders, a unisex prison system could offer a more humane and effective solution. This approach would prioritize rehabilitation and safety while addressing the unique needs of all inmates, fostering a more inclusive and equitable environment.

Edited February 9, 2025 by Alam_dar

[Muloghonto]

What kind of a exist misogynist wants males to be housed with females ??

The sexist  western leftists liberal savage, who promotes the savage rape culture of liberal leftist west that is 100 times worse than us asian pagans.

 

.transwomen are men. Men attacking men in men's spaces is not a woman's problem, western sexism promoter. 

 

The misogyny of the left against women and erosion of women's rights in favour of men in frocks is why many pocs voted Trump and will continue to do so. 

 

Prove that more harm has been caused by putting men in women's prison than them in men's prison. You cannot, because already more women are raped in prison by your men in skirts than there are total number of men in frocks in prisons. 

Meaning your savage western misogynist comment is false and just cover for western rape and misogyny peddlers. 

 

Sorry we are here ro civilize the western savage raper who are averaging 100 timed worse rape per capita than pagan Japan, pagan China and 50 times worse rape per capita than pagan India. 

Edited February 9, 2025 by Muloghonto

[Alam_dar]

45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Prove that more harm has been caused by putting men in women's prison than them in men's prison. You cannot, because already more women are raped in prison by your men in skirts than there are total number of men in frocks in prisons. 

 

From where did you take these statistics? Any source?

There are hardly a few cases all over the world where tans women raped any cis women in prisons. 

A 2015 report by the National Center for Transgender Equality highlighted that transgender individuals, particularly transgender women housed in men's facilities, face a significantly higher risk of sexual victimization compared to the general prison population.

•  https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf

For the rest of your abusive post ... I am sorry you deserve no respect and no reply. 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

From where did you take these statistics? Any source?

There are hardly a few cases all over the world where tans women raped any cis women in prisons. 

A 2015 report by the National Center for Transgender Equality highlighted that transgender individuals, particularly transgender women housed in men's facilities, face a significantly higher risk of sexual victimization compared to the general prison population.

•  https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf

For the rest of your abusive post ... I am sorry you deserve no respect and no reply. 

 

I asked you first for statistics. You claimed that men in frocks are more at risk in men's prison than women being exposed to men. Show proof. 

 

 

You cannot reply because you are peddling inferior western rape culture that sees liberals and leftist west be 100 times more rapey per capita than pagan Asia or 10 times worse than pagan asians in the west. 

 

Ps: we have data presented in the British parliament itself that shows transgender dudes have highest sexual offence rate in UK. Can be cited if you  wish, peddler of western rape culture. 

[mishra]

I heard that Trump have banned trans from Sports . Later on I realised that he has banned trans getting sex change to women and compete in women sports.

 

If trans are so sport lover and competitive why don’t they change to male and compete against males. Wouldn’t it be easier for docs to turn them male.

Edited February 10, 2025 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

Dear @mishra Ji, 

I humbly request you to consider the issue of trans women in sports from a humanitarian perspective. This is not just a debate about rules and regulations but about ensuring fairness, dignity, and inclusion for all individuals.

 

 

The Issue of Transgender Women in Sports

Once again, the world is not 100% perfect, as it has not been made by any 100% perfect god. So, what is the solution?

Option 1: Separate Sports Categories for Trans Women: One idea floating around is to create separate sports categories for transgender women, kind of like how we have separate events for cisgender men and women. On paper, this sounds inclusive, but let’s be honest—it’s not exactly practical. The costs and logistics of setting up entirely new categories would be a nightmare. Plus, it risks further isolating trans athletes instead of integrating them into the existing system. Do we really want to create more divisions in a world that’s already too divided?

Option 2: Trans Women Competing with Men: Another suggestion is to have transgender women compete in men’s categories. But here’s the thing: hormone replacement therapy (HRT) significantly lowers their testosterone levels and reduces muscle mass, bringing them in line with cisgender women. Forcing trans women to compete against men not only puts them at a physical disadvantage but also takes a huge toll on their mental and emotional well-being. Imagine being told you don’t belong in the category that aligns with your identity—it’s not just unfair, it’s downright cruel.

Option 3: Trans Women Competing with Cisgender Women: This option, while not perfect, might be the most balanced approach we have right now. Trans women on HRT have testosterone levels and muscle mass comparable to cisgender women. And let’s be clear: there’s little evidence to suggest they dominate women’s sports. In fact, they often lose more than they win—it’s just that the media loves to hype up their victories while ignoring their losses. This approach strikes a reasonable balance between inclusivity and fairness. It’s not about giving anyone an advantage; it’s about giving everyone a fair shot.

What About Cis Women with High Testosterone?

Consider the case of cisgender women like Imane Khelif, who are biologically female but naturally have higher testosterone levels than the average woman. Should such individuals be required to:

• Compete against cis men?
• Have their own category?
• Or be banned from sports altogether?

It’s a tricky question, and it highlights the fact that athletic performance varies widely even among cisgender athletes. Why single out trans women when natural variation is already part of the game? If we start policing testosterone levels, where do we draw the line?

Should we ban Michael Phelps because his body produces less lactic acid, giving him a natural edge in swimming? Of course not. So why are we so fixated on trans athletes?

Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Its Impact

Transgender athletes undergo Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), which alters their muscle distribution and fat composition, effectively diminishing any biological advantages they may have had prior to transitioning. For transgender women, the physical changes brought about by HRT make them lose the muscle mass and strength typically associated with being assigned male at birth (AMAB). This process works to eliminate any inherent athletic advantages they may have had, aligning their athletic potential more closely with that of cisgender women.

Huge Variations Among Cisgender Athletes

A crucial point raised by research is the significant variation in athletic abilities within the cisgender population. A study titled Sex differences and athletic performance by D.J. Oberlin (you can check it out here) concludes that the ability to excel in sports is not solely determined by one’s sex. The study notes that within any given population, whether cisgender or transgender, there are individuals who exceed the average in terms of physical ability due to genetic and hormonal variations. These exceptional individuals may excel in their sport regardless of their sex or gender identity.

Key findings from the study include:

• A small percentage of the population (around 2.3%) may NATURALLY excel in sports, regardless of their gender identity. They are naturally gifted—taller, stronger or faster than others. (Similarly, there are human populations/races where people are naturally shorter in stature, yet they still compete alongside those from populations where people tend to be taller. This natural variation in height and physical attributes doesn’t disqualify anyone from competing—it’s just part of the diversity we see in sports and life.)
• Only 0.5%–0.6% of the population identifies as transgender. The idea that cis men would pretend to be trans women to dominate women’s sports is not only absurd but completely unfounded.

• HRT reduces or even eliminates many of the physical differences that develop during puberty. Trans women on HRT don’t have an unfair advantage—they’re playing on a level field.

• If trans women do excel in certain sports, should we really see that as unfair? Or is it just another example of natural variability, like how some athletes are born with freakish wingspans or superhuman endurance?

 

I hope this writing helps people better understand the challenges and struggles that the trans community faces.

[LordPrabhzy]

these bast*rd judges need to be sacked and arrested for coming in the way of executive orders of a elected head of state.. these judges are appointed babus

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Dear @mishra Ji, 

I humbly request you to consider the issue of trans women in sports from a humanitarian perspective. This is not just a debate about rules and regulations but about ensuring fairness, dignity, and inclusion for all individuals.

 

 

The Issue of Transgender Women in Sports

Once again, the world is not 100% perfect, as it has not been made by any 100% perfect god. So, what is the solution?

Option 1: Separate Sports Categories for Trans Women: One idea floating around is to create separate sports categories for transgender women, kind of like how we have separate events for cisgender men and women. On paper, this sounds inclusive, but let’s be honest—it’s not exactly practical. The costs and logistics of setting up entirely new categories would be a nightmare. Plus, it risks further isolating trans athletes instead of integrating them into the existing system. Do we really want to create more divisions in a world that’s already too divided?

Option 2: Trans Women Competing with Men: Another suggestion is to have transgender women compete in men’s categories. But here’s the thing: hormone replacement therapy (HRT) significantly lowers their testosterone levels and reduces muscle mass, bringing them in line with cisgender women. Forcing trans women to compete against men not only puts them at a physical disadvantage but also takes a huge toll on their mental and emotional well-being. Imagine being told you don’t belong in the category that aligns with your identity—it’s not just unfair, it’s downright cruel.

Option 3: Trans Women Competing with Cisgender Women: This option, while not perfect, might be the most balanced approach we have right now. Trans women on HRT have testosterone levels and muscle mass comparable to cisgender women. And let’s be clear: there’s little evidence to suggest they dominate women’s sports. In fact, they often lose more than they win—it’s just that the media loves to hype up their victories while ignoring their losses. This approach strikes a reasonable balance between inclusivity and fairness. It’s not about giving anyone an advantage; it’s about giving everyone a fair shot.

What About Cis Women with High Testosterone?

Consider the case of cisgender women like Imane Khelif, who are biologically female but naturally have higher testosterone levels than the average woman. Should such individuals be required to:

• Compete against cis men?
• Have their own category?
• Or be banned from sports altogether?

It’s a tricky question, and it highlights the fact that athletic performance varies widely even among cisgender athletes. Why single out trans women when natural variation is already part of the game? If we start policing testosterone levels, where do we draw the line?

Should we ban Michael Phelps because his body produces less lactic acid, giving him a natural edge in swimming? Of course not. So why are we so fixated on trans athletes?

Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Its Impact

Transgender athletes undergo Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), which alters their muscle distribution and fat composition, effectively diminishing any biological advantages they may have had prior to transitioning. For transgender women, the physical changes brought about by HRT make them lose the muscle mass and strength typically associated with being assigned male at birth (AMAB). This process works to eliminate any inherent athletic advantages they may have had, aligning their athletic potential more closely with that of cisgender women.

Huge Variations Among Cisgender Athletes

A crucial point raised by research is the significant variation in athletic abilities within the cisgender population. A study titled Sex differences and athletic performance by D.J. Oberlin (you can check it out here) concludes that the ability to excel in sports is not solely determined by one’s sex. The study notes that within any given population, whether cisgender or transgender, there are individuals who exceed the average in terms of physical ability due to genetic and hormonal variations. These exceptional individuals may excel in their sport regardless of their sex or gender identity.

Key findings from the study include:

• A small percentage of the population (around 2.3%) may NATURALLY excel in sports, regardless of their gender identity. They are naturally gifted—taller, stronger or faster than others. (Similarly, there are human populations/races where people are naturally shorter in stature, yet they still compete alongside those from populations where people tend to be taller. This natural variation in height and physical attributes doesn’t disqualify anyone from competing—it’s just part of the diversity we see in sports and life.)
• Only 0.5%–0.6% of the population identifies as transgender. The idea that cis men would pretend to be trans women to dominate women’s sports is not only absurd but completely unfounded.

• HRT reduces or even eliminates many of the physical differences that develop during puberty. Trans women on HRT don’t have an unfair advantage—they’re playing on a level field.

• If trans women do excel in certain sports, should we really see that as unfair? Or is it just another example of natural variability, like how some athletes are born with freakish wingspans or superhuman endurance?

 

I hope this writing helps people better understand the challenges and struggles that the trans community faces.

Huge variances in men's sport or women's sport doesn't change the fact that men who are post puberty have decisive advantage over women even with hormone therapy.

 

Can be cited through peer reviewed research

 

Hence western rape culture and misogyny of men stealing spots from women is rejected as western regressive leftist savagery. 

 

Hormone Therapy doesn't reduce male testosterone or muscle Mass to a woman's level. You lied ad your leftist masters do on this. 

 

Transwomen hold decisive advantage over real women, as proven by the fact that all transwomen athletes massively improve their standings and rankings once they compete as women. 

 

Try your western leftist misogyny elsewhere, western rape culture promoter. 

Edited February 10, 2025 by Muloghonto

[mishra]

10 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Dear @mishra Ji, 

I humbly request you to consider the issue of trans women in sports from a humanitarian perspective. This is not just a debate about rules and regulations but about ensuring fairness, dignity, and inclusion for all individuals.

 

 

The Issue of Transgender Women in Sports

Once again, the world is not 100% perfect, as it has not been made by any 100% perfect god. So, what is the solution?

Option 1: Separate Sports Categories for Trans Women: One idea floating around is to create separate sports categories for transgender women, kind of like how we have separate events for cisgender men and women. On paper, this sounds inclusive, but let’s be honest—it’s not exactly practical. The costs and logistics of setting up entirely new categories would be a nightmare. Plus, it risks further isolating trans athletes instead of integrating them into the existing system. Do we really want to create more divisions in a world that’s already too divided?

Option 2: Trans Women Competing with Men: Another suggestion is to have transgender women compete in men’s categories. But here’s the thing: hormone replacement therapy (HRT) significantly lowers their testosterone levels and reduces muscle mass, bringing them in line with cisgender women. Forcing trans women to compete against men not only puts them at a physical disadvantage but also takes a huge toll on their mental and emotional well-being. Imagine being told you don’t belong in the category that aligns with your identity—it’s not just unfair, it’s downright cruel.

Option 3: Trans Women Competing with Cisgender Women: This option, while not perfect, might be the most balanced approach we have right now. Trans women on HRT have testosterone levels and muscle mass comparable to cisgender women. And let’s be clear: there’s little evidence to suggest they dominate women’s sports. In fact, they often lose more than they win—it’s just that the media loves to hype up their victories while ignoring their losses. This approach strikes a reasonable balance between inclusivity and fairness. It’s not about giving anyone an advantage; it’s about giving everyone a fair shot.

What About Cis Women with High Testosterone?

Consider the case of cisgender women like Imane Khelif, who are biologically female but naturally have higher testosterone levels than the average woman. Should such individuals be required to:

• Compete against cis men?
• Have their own category?
• Or be banned from sports altogether?

It’s a tricky question, and it highlights the fact that athletic performance varies widely even among cisgender athletes. Why single out trans women when natural variation is already part of the game? If we start policing testosterone levels, where do we draw the line?

Should we ban Michael Phelps because his body produces less lactic acid, giving him a natural edge in swimming? Of course not. So why are we so fixated on trans athletes?

Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Its Impact

Transgender athletes undergo Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), which alters their muscle distribution and fat composition, effectively diminishing any biological advantages they may have had prior to transitioning. For transgender women, the physical changes brought about by HRT make them lose the muscle mass and strength typically associated with being assigned male at birth (AMAB). This process works to eliminate any inherent athletic advantages they may have had, aligning their athletic potential more closely with that of cisgender women.

Huge Variations Among Cisgender Athletes

A crucial point raised by research is the significant variation in athletic abilities within the cisgender population. A study titled Sex differences and athletic performance by D.J. Oberlin (you can check it out here) concludes that the ability to excel in sports is not solely determined by one’s sex. The study notes that within any given population, whether cisgender or transgender, there are individuals who exceed the average in terms of physical ability due to genetic and hormonal variations. These exceptional individuals may excel in their sport regardless of their sex or gender identity.

Key findings from the study include:

• A small percentage of the population (around 2.3%) may NATURALLY excel in sports, regardless of their gender identity. They are naturally gifted—taller, stronger or faster than others. (Similarly, there are human populations/races where people are naturally shorter in stature, yet they still compete alongside those from populations where people tend to be taller. This natural variation in height and physical attributes doesn’t disqualify anyone from competing—it’s just part of the diversity we see in sports and life.)
• Only 0.5%–0.6% of the population identifies as transgender. The idea that cis men would pretend to be trans women to dominate women’s sports is not only absurd but completely unfounded.

• HRT reduces or even eliminates many of the physical differences that develop during puberty. Trans women on HRT don’t have an unfair advantage—they’re playing on a level field.

• If trans women do excel in certain sports, should we really see that as unfair? Or is it just another example of natural variability, like how some athletes are born with freakish wingspans or superhuman endurance?

 

I hope this writing helps people better understand the challenges and struggles that the trans community faces.

I dont want someone born with a penis to be classified as women athelet and participate in women's sport. Option 1 and Option 2 is okie.

Edited February 10, 2025 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Hormone Therapy doesn't reduce male testosterone or muscle Mass to a woman's level.. 

 

There is already a limit to Testosterone level by sport bodies like Olympics etc. Many biological women have the same or ever above level of testosterone as compared to athlete trans women (who undergo hormone therapy), and they are still allowed to take part in women's sport. 

1. Some cis women, due to genetics have naturally higher testosterone levels, which can enhance muscle mass and athletic performance.

2. Trans women who undergo hormone replacement therapy (HRT) experience a significant reduction in testosterone levels, often bringing them down to the typical female range. This also leads to muscle loss, fat redistribution, and decreased strength over time.

3. Studies show that after a year or more on HRT, trans women’s muscle mass and strength decrease significantly, sometimes to levels comparable to or even below those of cisgender women.

4. Many successful cis women athletes have naturally high levels of testosterone and superior muscle mass, yet they are not excluded from competition.

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

You lied ad your leftist masters do on this. 

 

How? 

 

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Transwomen hold decisive advantage over real women, as proven by the fact that all transwomen athletes massively improve their standings and rankings once they compete as women. 

 

Another baseless fearmongering. 

There are hardly any trans women present in women's sports. It is only a hype given by media and transphobic people. 

Only 10 Trans athelete in NCAA:

Lastly, the NCAA president told Congress in December that there are “less than 10” transgender athletes in the entire NCAA. Meanwhile, states with anti-trans laws have seen a 72% increase in suicide attempts among trans kids, according to an NPR story. Let that sink in. We’re arguing over a handful of athletes while real lives are at stake. Are we really okay with prioritizing hypothetical fairness in sports over the mental health and survival of trans youth?

 

Edited February 10, 2025 by Alam_dar

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

I dont want someone born with a penis to be classified as women athelet and participate in women's sport. Option 1 and Option 2 is okie.

 

Unfortunately, option 1 becomes impractical due to financial issues (and there are not always such a huge number of trans athletes present to take part in separate competitions).

 

And option 2 becomes impossible while after Hormonal Therapy, trans women land equal or at least very close to cis women in testosterone levels and muscle mass levels, as compared to cis men. Thus, it makes it totally IMPOSSIBLE for them to compete with cis men. 

 

 72% increase in suicide attempts among trans kids,

Lastly, the NCAA president told Congress in December that there are “less than 10” transgender athletes in the entire NCAA.
Meanwhile, states with anti-trans laws have seen a 72% increase in suicide attempts among trans kids. 

Should we really let it happen? 

Let that sink in. We’re arguing over a handful of athletes while real lives are at stake. Are we really okay with prioritizing hypothetical fairness in sports over the mental health and survival of trans youth?

Edited February 10, 2025 by Alam_dar

[Muloghonto]

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

There is already a limit to Testosterone level by sport bodies like Olympics etc. Many biological women have the same or ever above level of testosterone as compared to athlete trans women (who undergo hormone therapy), and they are still allowed to take part in women's sport. 

Irrelevant.  Same amount of testosterone in a man as a woman doesn't negate male puberty advantage. 

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

1. Some cis women, due to genetics have naturally higher testosterone levels, which can enhance muscle mass and athletic performance

 

Ok. They are women in women's category. Men don't become women because they have same hormone level. 

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

1. Trans women who undergo hormone replacement therapy (HRT) experience a significant reduction in testosterone levels, often bringing them down to the typical female range. This also leads to muscle loss, fat redistribution, and decreased strength over time.

 

Not nearly enough, they never lose male puberty advantage. Can be cited. And even if they did, it's still Irrelevant because weak men aren't women. 

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

1. Studies show that after a year or more on HRT, trans women’s muscle mass and strength decrease significantly, sometimes to levels comparable to or even below those of cisgender women.

 

False and Irrelevant. 

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

1. Many successful cis women athletes have naturally high levels of testosterone and superior muscle mass, yet they are not excluded from competition.

Because they are women. Women category isn't a hormone, misogynist. 

7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

How? 

 

 

BecUse that statement is an objective lie and Irrelevant. We are not here to peddle western misogyny and rape culture like you are. Calling men as women due to nonsense white people invented nonsense is called spreading white supremacy.

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Unfortunately, option 1 becomes impractical due to financial issues (and there are not always such a huge number of trans athletes present to take part in separate competitions).

 

And option 2 becomes impossible while after Hormonal Therapy, trans women land equal or at least very close to cis women in testosterone levels and muscle mass levels, as compared to cis men. Thus, it makes it totally IMPOSSIBLE for them to compete with cis men. 

 

 

Opting two is the fair option. If you choose to take drugs to impede your own performance that is on you. Not on others.  If men in frocks lose competitive advantage against men without frocks when they take drugs, choice is don't take drugs or pay for consequence. 

Not victimize women and make it women's problem due to western misogyny and rape culture. 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Unfortunately, option 1 becomes impractical due to financial issues (and there are not always such a huge number of trans athletes present to take part in separate competitions).

 

And option 2 becomes impossible while after Hormonal Therapy, trans women land equal or at least very close to cis women in testosterone levels and muscle mass levels, as compared to cis men. Thus, it makes it totally IMPOSSIBLE for them to compete with cis men. 

 

 72% increase in suicide attempts among trans kids,

Lastly, the NCAA president told Congress in December that there are “less than 10” transgender athletes in the entire NCAA.
Meanwhile, states with anti-trans laws have seen a 72% increase in suicide attempts among trans kids. 

Should we really let it happen? 

Let that sink in. We’re arguing over a handful of athletes while real lives are at stake. Are we really okay with prioritizing hypothetical fairness in sports over the mental health and survival of trans youth?

No, why therapy for option 2? Go ahead and participate. Therapy or drugs should be banned.

 

As far as option 1. All my villagers would love to play cricket with Next village guys with match televised globally and simultaneously on all sports channels.

Edited February 10, 2025 by mishra

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Irrelevant.  Same amount of testosterone in a man as a woman doesn't negate male puberty advantage. 

 

Not irrelevant. International sports bodies disagree with you, which makes your opinion irrelevant.

And I don’t see anything in the rest of your post worth responding to.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Not irrelevant. International sports bodies disagree with you, which makes your opinion irrelevant.

And I don’t see anything in the rest of your post worth responding to.

International sports bodies aren't authorities in science. I am. 

You can't respond because I exposed your position as typical western misogyny and rape culture that  makes *ed up men the problem of women. 

 

That's why you cannot answer my points coz you are peddling anti woman misogyny of raper westoids who are 50 times worse per capita than asians at being rapers. 

[Alam_dar]

20 minutes ago, mishra said:

No, why therapy for option 2? Go ahead and participate. Therapy or drugs should be banned.

 

Please let scientific research determine whether these therapies and medications are beneficial.

If studies show that these treatments genuinely provide strength and encouragement to live—helping to prevent suicides—then we should acknowledge and respect the findings of science.

 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Please let scientific research determine whether these therapies and medications are beneficial.

If studies show that these treatments genuinely provide strength and encouragement to live—helping to prevent suicides—then we should acknowledge and respect the findings of science.

 

There is already peer reviewed study showing there is no benefit to these therapies. And even if there is, explain why man who *ed his own body due to the choices he made, gets to make it women's problem, if not for standard inferior liberal value of women compared to men. 

[mishra]

9 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Please let scientific research determine whether these therapies and medications are beneficial.

If studies show that these treatments genuinely provide strength and encouragement to live—helping to prevent suicides—then we should acknowledge and respect the findings of science.

 

Think I wasn’t clear enough. Those trans sportsmen at professional level shouldn’t have access to drugs.

[Alam_dar]

35 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

There is already peer reviewed study showing there is no benefit to these therapies.

 

How can you ignore and hide this fact that the majority of peer-reviewed studies indicate that gender-affirming therapies, including hormone treatments, are beneficial for transgender individuals. These therapies have been associated with improvements in mental health, quality of life, and reductions in depression and anxiety. For instance, a systematic review found that gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT) may improve the physical, psychological, and social health of transgender people seeking medical transition. PMC

 

Conversely, there is a lack of peer-reviewed studies demonstrating that these therapies are ineffective or harmful. A comprehensive analysis found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm. What We Know

 

While some studies have reported mixed or null findings, they are in the minority. The prevailing scientific evidence supports the efficacy of gender-affirming therapies in enhancing the well-being of transgender individuals.

 

38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

And even if there is, explain why man who *ed his own body due to the choices he made

 

We are not living in a 100% perfect world. And if anyone *ed the bodies of trans people, then the responsibility goes to gods of all religions. 

Thus, if trans people feel themselves better by using therapies and drugs, why should they then not use them? Why do you want them to keep on suffering due to mistakes of your religious gods?