Terror attack in Pahalgam 27 civilians killed

[singhvivek141]

19 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Bruh! This is a common sentiment and it is accepted that North Indian English news channels use "Tamil fishermen" instead of "Indian fishermen".

 

No need to be defensive about it. I am not talking about North Indian Hindi channels.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2025/Mar/21/sri-lankan-navy-detains-10-fishermen-releases-after-enquiry
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/sri-lanka-navy-arrests-34-indian-fishermen-over-illegal-fishing-101737901959485.html
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/tamil-nadu/story/14-indian-fishermen-arrested-by-sri-lanka-2-boats-seized-remanded-till-february-19-2677552-2025-02-10
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/sri-lanka-navy-arrests-14-indian-fishermen/
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/sri-lanka-navy-arrests-indian-fishermen-9852427/
https://kalingatv.com/world/14-indian-fishermen-arrested-by-sri-lankan-navy-see-details/
https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/sri-lankan-navy-arrests-11-indian-fishermen-cm-stalin-expresses-concern-124082400390_1.html
https://www.indiatvnews.com/tamil-nadu/news-34-indian-fishermen-arrested-by-sri-lankan-navy-tamil-nadu-cm-stalin-flags-matter-with-centre-2025-01-26-973202

Do not spread false information just to set your North-South agenda. One or two newspapers may have done it simply coz they might have overlooked the details...but they use mostly Indian Fisherman.
Sad that even after seeing what terrorists did to "Indians", some don't seem to learn and always try to look for excuses.

Edited April 30, 2025 by singhvivek141

[deathmonger]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I reckon they don't want to risk a full scale war or maybe are wary of China or US Deep State's well laid trap.

Could be anything here.

 

Inaction would likely mean another Vajpayee style operation Prakaram humiliation.   Embolden Pakistan further.   BJP would be in dire straits.  

 

Maybe a low scale attack is being considered... a small skirmish.

 

Indian Navy is overwhelmingly superior but that would only be brought on in a full scale war.

 

IAF and PAF both can't completely dominate each other yet.

All cause of China.

 

Tejas, AMCA, Kaveri engine are the most important things for India.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

I don't have North - South agenda.

 

Just stating my observations and probably many others. That's why it's a point of discussion in many forums.

 

Another thing to note is how Bangladeshi Hindus are considered Indians among the masses in India and SriLankan Hindus are not considered Indians among the masses in India. Says a lot. Don't you think?

No one calls bangladeshi hindus as Indians...you're making a case due to CAA where explicitly the "minorities" of Pakistan, Afg and Bangladesh can be given a citizenship in India. Even Christains are a "minority" there.
Many here including me actually asked to cut the Rangpur division from Bangladesh and make it a "Hindu" only state....just like "Jaffana" is a Hindu majority state in SL.

Ancestoral India was anyway lot bigger than what we have...Afg, Pak, Ban, SL, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar and some part of Vietnam too was under Indian influence. That chapter is over.

[putrevus]

24 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I reckon they don't want to risk a full scale war or maybe are wary of China or US Deep State's well laid trap.

Could be anything here.

 

Inaction would likely mean another Vajpayee style operation Prakaram humiliation.   Embolden Pakistan further.   BJP would be in dire straits.  

 

Maybe a low scale attack is being considered... a small skirmish.

 

Indian Navy is overwhelmingly superior but that would only be brought on in a full scale war.

 

IAF and PAF both can't completely dominate each other yet.

So they needed to invest on armed forces more so they can crush Pakistan in such a way so they will be afraid to even think of doing anything in future .What is point of strong economy if you cannot provide basic protection to your citizens.

 

You need balls to handle these issues.I doubt Mr.Modi has any based on his previous history.

 

Amit Shah was saying Aksai Chin is ours too.These morons need dose of reality.They cannot deal with failing nation like Pakistan, they are talking about China. 

 

Suspension of IWT my foot.

Edited April 30, 2025 by putrevus

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

All cause of China.

 

Tejas, AMCA, Kaveri engine are the most important things for India.

We aren't manufacturer of arms, these are times when you see the need.
Rafael deal is good...but it's better to sign deal for SU-57 squadrans as well. Navy wise we are becoming self capable, army wise too for shortscale war...Airforce is where gap is bigger.

[deathmonger]

11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

We aren't manufacturer of arms, these are times when you see the need.
Rafael deal is good...but it's better to sign deal for SU-57 squadrans as well. Navy wise we are becoming self capable, army wise too for shortscale war...Airforce is where gap is bigger.

Yeah. Self-sufficiency in 10 years is a must.

 

I'd say get Rafales and a 5th gen fighter (Su-57 or the Korean one as well) until AMCA can be produced then get a sixth gen one (French, Japanese, British) until we produce our own 6th gen one by 2050.

 

Thing is with China becoming completely self-sufficient we are the biggest buyers of arms so minus USA everyone should be open to sell with tech transfer.

[deathmonger]

1 minute ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Kaveri engine 1.0 was a failure because it did not produce enough HP and torque. It was underpowered.

 

Last I heard, Godrej Aerospace wants to build Kaveri Engines 2.0 based on the learnings of first engine.

 

You are right.

 

Once Kaveri engine and AMCA is successful, we can just add as many jets as possible. This is more important than ISRO I think.

 

We are yet to manufacture our own bullet train btw. BEML has said they are going to manufacture two train sets that can travel over 250 KMPH by 2027.

 

We have a lot of things to accomplish 

Yes. 2025-2040 is very important.

 

After that improvements will only be on lifestyle.

 

The gap between 0.65 HDI and 0.8 HDI is WAY more than between 0.8 and 0.95. East Europeans don't really live much worse lives than Scandinavians.

 

Tbh, India is on the right path.

 

It's China which lets Pak have stuff beyond their capabilities.

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Kaveri engine 1.0 was a failure because it did not produce enough HP and torque. It was underpowered.

 

Last I heard, Godrej Aerospace wants to build Kaveri Engines 2.0 based on the learnings of first engine.

 

You are right.

 

Once Kaveri engine and AMCA is successful, we can just add as many jets as possible. This is more important than ISRO I think.

 

We are yet to manufacture our own bullet train btw. BEML has said they are going to manufacture two train sets that can travel over 250 KMPH by 2027.

 

We have a lot of things to accomplish 

Harder to go from 0-1 then 1-1000.

 

Like metros. We are making them at such rapid speed.

[Lone Wolf]

18 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

All cause of China.

 

Tejas, AMCA, Kaveri engine are the most important things for India.

Bro AMCA isn't coming soon & is at least 9-10 years away.  Chinese would be operating 6th gen fighters by then and  Pakistan would already be in possession of 5th gen fighters (J35) by next 4-5 years.

 

India needs Su57 sooner than later in short term.  Rafales are too few and our silver bullet at this point.

 

 

Inaction could also be due to timing.  All the passes are open in Himalayas for Chinks to do any misadventure on Eastern front.

As I said it could be well laid out trap for India set up by either Chinks or US Deep State.

 

Also India needs to ramp up its  domestic Artillery numbers.. eliminate Chandigarh Import lobby and MoD babus.

We are at near parity with Pakistan in artillery and rocket forces.  This is unacceptable on each and every level.

 

Only blue water India Navy is our saving grace atp.

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bro AMCA isn't coming soon & is at least 9-10 years away.  Chinese would be operating 6th gen fighters by then and  Pakistan would already be in possession of 5th gen fighters (J35) by next 4-5 years.

 

India needs Su57 sooner than later in short term.  Rafales are too few and our silver bullet at this point.

 

 

Inaction could also be due to timing.  All the passes are open in Himalayas for Chinks to do any misadventure on Eastern front.

As I said it could be well laid out trap for India set up by either Chinks or US Deep State.

 

Also India needs to ramp up its  domestic Artillery numbers.. eliminate Chandigarh Import lobby and MoD babus.

We are at near parity with Pakistan in artillery and rocket forces.  This is unacceptable on each and every level.

 

Only blue water India Navy is our saving grace atp.

Yeah need both.

 

2025-2035

Get some Rafales and get some Su-57s or KF-21s or even F-35 and push the pedal on Tejas Mk2s.

 

2035 onwards

Once AMCA is done get some 6th gen fighters (Japan, UK, France) and work on own 6th gen for 2050. At this point should be able to have massive AMCAs and Tejas Mk2s to make Pak air force a non-factor.

 

China basically gifts Pakistan weapons beyond it's capabilities at cheap prices to keep us weak. Imagine us getting F-35s cheap. Similar to that. Except we are not a pure US ally. 

[Lone Wolf]

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So they needed to invest on armed forces more so they can crush Pakistan in such a way so they will be afraid to even think of doing anything in future .What is point of strong economy if you cannot provide basic protection to your citizens.

 

I agree completely... Believe me if things were ideal within the armed forces and we had sufficient artillery rocket forces, UCAVs and Tejas Mk1 fighters in sufficient numbers ...

Most of these things could have been done through domestic means as it real as it sounds.

 

There would have been Pant removal ceremony of General Asim Munir and Shahbaz Sharif going on in streets of Pindi and LaWhore.

 

This sarkar has been pretty lax when it comes to stuff like this.  Foren maal is what our babus and import lobbies want for cut commission, kickbag.

 

Wish General Bipin were alive.  Paxtan would have been cooked and deep fried already.

[putrevus]

28 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

We aren't manufacturer of arms, these are times when you see the need.
Rafael deal is good...but it's better to sign deal for SU-57 squadrans as well. Navy wise we are becoming self capable, army wise too for shortscale war...Airforce is where gap is bigger.

I don't think we are not self reliant yet is the answer, if we are not self reliant, then you need to invest heavily on acquiring those weapons and Knowledge base.

 

 It is pathetic that India cannot overwhelm a country like Pakistan.

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Yeah need both.

 

2025-2035

Get some Rafales and get some Su-57s or KF-21s or even F-35 and push the pedal on Tejas Mk2s.

 

2035 onwards

Once AMCA is done get some 6th gen fighters (Japan, UK, France) and work on own 6th gen for 2050. At this point should be able to have massive AMCAs and Tejas Mk2s to make Pak air force a non-factor.

 

China basically gifts Pakistan weapons beyond it's capabilities at cheap prices to keep us weak. Imagine us getting F-35s cheap. Similar to that. Except we are not a pure US ally. 

Bro what's frustrating is time is ripe for Pakistan to get another thrashing.

Their economy is dog*it.. I don't think they can fight high intensity war for more than 10 days.

 

I think GoI is well aware of this but something is stopping them.

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Honestly, full economic cold shoulder is enough.

 

No need for war. It will play right into the hands of China and USA.

Salami slicing on IWT.

 

BLA/TTP funding. Collaborate with CIA and BLA to target CPEC assets.

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think we are not self reliant yet is the answer, if we are not self reliant, then you need to invest heavily on acquiring those weapons and Knowledge base.

 

 It is pathetic that India cannot overwhelm a country like Pakistan.

 

 

All cause of China.

 

Cricket example. Imagine Australia loan Pakistan Head, cummins etc. They will still prolly lose but gap becomes smaller.

 

Self-sufficiency is the only way.

[Lone Wolf]

6 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Honestly, full economic cold shoulder is enough.

 

No need for war. It will play right into the hands of China and USA.

Both evil forces work in tandem when it comes to India.  Nothing unites them more.

 

But we can always abandon ceasefire and start heavy shelling across their civilian areas.

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

All cause of China.

 

Cricket example. Imagine Australia loan Pakistan Head, cummins etc. They will still prolly lose but gap becomes smaller.

 

Self-sufficiency is the only way.

When you cannot make then you buy to cover up for your lack of manufacturing ability.

 

There is be always someone who is doing better, you will be always doing catch up if you think Self-sufficiency is the only way.

 

 

China is doing what is best for them India also needs to do what is best for them and not let their innocent citizens get slaughtered.

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2025 by putrevus

[deathmonger]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bro what's frustrating is time is ripe for Pakistan to get another thrashing.

Their economy is dog*it.. I don't think they can fight high intensity war for more than 10 days.

 

I think GoI is well aware of this but something is stopping them.

The problem is not their economy. It's that ours isn't huge.

 

Issue with high intensity war is Chinese might keep supplying them stuff to sustain them. Their people will suffer but they are not a democracy and the army doesn't care.

 

Like I said, only solution is become $10trillion USD economy by 2040 with a 0.75+ HDI, $7000+ USD pci with complete indigenous defense chain and overwhelm Pak completely.

 

Here is the thing about Pak. The GDP differential is 12:1 but military the gap is more like 2:1 or 3:1. Helped ofc by the fact that they can get cheap Chinese arms at a fraction of what Europeans, Americans, Russians charge us.

 

Ofc that shows up in other non military stuff where the gaps are often 50:1, 60:1 (stock market caps, tech unicorns, billionaires, car sales). Pak army doesn't give a * about their populace.

 

Get the GDP differential to 18-20x by 2040 and with indigenous arms get the military gap to 8x or 10x. Ofc the non-military stuff will be like 150x, 200x then.

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

When you cannot make then you buy to cover up for your lack of manufacturing ability.

 

There is be always someone who is doing better, you will be always doing catch up if you think Self-sufficiency is the only way.

 

 

China is doing what is best for them India also needs to do what is best for them and not let their innocent citizens get slaughtered.

 

 

 

A mix of both. But w/o self sufficiency the GDP gap cannot manifest in the military differential.

 

Pakistani get more bang for buck due to buying Chinese stuff while westerners charge us more.

 

With self sufficiency the money spent for one Rafale can get us 4-5 Tejas MK2s. One F-35 4-5 AMCAs and so on.

 

In cricketing terms, have such good infra that it doesn't matter who plays for Pak.

[MechEng]

6 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bro what's frustrating is time is ripe for Pakistan to get another thrashing.

Their economy is dog*it.. I don't think they can fight high intensity war for more than 10 days.

 

I think GoI is well aware of this but something is stopping them.

 

If China and USA are concerning them, then that makes India look innocuous to be frank and gives Pakistan full freedom to conduct proxy wars. It also reduces the bravado of ICF posters here to a mere rubble.

 

Vietnam and Cuba never backed off and fought hard against Americans even when the odds were against them. I do not hate ordinary Pakistanis or wish for an all-out war with them, but if we cannot assure our citizens of basic safety then this country does not deserve your patriotism.