singhvivek141 Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, bsriharsha said: Some more SU57 news. I think we should take atleast 2 squadrons as a backup. I want Su57 as well. AMCA isnt gonna come in before 2036-37. Rafales will start coming in from 2030...and Su57 maybe even earlier. We need to bridge 7-8 years of capability gap. I think once AL51 engine is ready, Su57 will move ahead. Current AL-41 isnt what IAF wants as it offer little improvement over AL-31 used in Su30MKI.
bsriharsha Posted September 4 Posted September 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: I want Su57 as well. AMCA isnt gonna come in before 2036-37. Rafales will start coming in from 2030...and Su57 maybe even earlier. We need to bridge 7-8 years of capability gap. I think once AL51 engine is ready, Su57 will move ahead. Current AL-41 isnt what IAF wants as it offer little improvement over AL-31 used in Su30MKI. It's better to take the AL-41 as well too. Take that engine for the upgrades to Su30MKI and then take the Su57 with AL-51. Edited September 4 by bsriharsha
G_B_ Posted September 4 Posted September 4 Irso launching imaging sat has to be huge gain for military intelligence singhvivek141 1
Lone Wolf Posted September 4 Posted September 4 After months and months ISRO got a rare success finally. There might be still some hope for NaVIC hopefully singhvivek141 1
singhvivek141 Posted September 4 Posted September 4 8 hours ago, G_B_ said: Good news indeed. If you read reports usa is actively looking at manufacturing outside usa (koreans look likely to build 20 to 30% of us navy ships in the near decade). Javelin is low tech enough for usa not to be worried but need a cheap n cheerful missile. India comes into play. I heard the c130 program too was looking at india. Likes of israel and european powers too will look at manufacture in india to keep costs low. C130J is the lead runner, but its payload capacity is just 18 Ton....so it wont be able to airlift Zorawar tank. C390 is faster and can be reused as a fuel tanker if need arises. It can carry Zorawar tank as it has wider dimensions. A400M was best of both worlds....but it was damn expensive. Hence its out of race as IAF has a limit of 30 Ton. G_B_ 1
singhvivek141 Posted September 4 Posted September 4 5 hours ago, bsriharsha said: It's better to take the AL-41 as well too. Take that engine for the upgrades to Su30MKI and then take the Su57 with AL-51. AL 41 has same engine reliability issue is what I read. Its overhaul time is very short, and just like Su30MKI...the fleet readiness at any given time will be only 50-55%. Both IAF & Navy are frustrated with Mig29s...thats why Rafale is getting so much attention. Even Mirage 2000 are a solid workhorse than Mig29s
G_B_ Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: C130J is the lead runner, but its payload capacity is just 18 Ton....so it wont be able to airlift Zorawar tank. C390 is faster and can be reused as a fuel tanker if need arises. It can carry Zorawar tank as it has wider dimensions. A400M was best of both worlds....but it was damn expensive. Hence its out of race as IAF has a limit of 30 Ton. Wasnt c130 used to transfer artillary? Agts and dhanush should be fine.
G_B_ Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: AL 41 has same engine reliability issue is what I read. Its overhaul time is very short, and just like Su30MKI...the fleet readiness at any given time will be only 50-55%. Both IAF & Navy are frustrated with Mig29s...thats why Rafale is getting so much attention. Even Mirage 2000 are a solid workhorse than Mig29s Al41 works well with su35. Was not right fit for su57. Su35 remains the best russian export.
bsriharsha Posted September 5 Posted September 5 9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: AL 41 has same engine reliability issue is what I read. Its overhaul time is very short, and just like Su30MKI...the fleet readiness at any given time will be only 50-55%. Both IAF & Navy are frustrated with Mig29s...thats why Rafale is getting so much attention. Even Mirage 2000 are a solid workhorse than Mig29s AL41 offers twice the run time than AL31. Surely worth considering. This is for retrofitting su30MKI to make it better than the Su35. In quite a lot of aspects , the Su30MKI is a better jet than the 35 except for the engine.
singhvivek141 Posted September 5 Posted September 5 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: Wasnt c130 used to transfer artillary? Agts and dhanush should be fine. AtAGS weighs around 18 Ton, C130J may not be able to lift it. Even MARG with 4x4 truck also weighs 18 Ton. Zorawar, WhAP & MARG with 4×4 truck fits right into the weight limit of C390. Need to see how it works during high altitude take off when air is light and engine capacity is 70%. C130J being turboprop can takeoff from shorter runways, but that compromises with its speed. C390 need longer runways as it has jet engine, but is gives faster speeds and shorter travel time. Key player will the DBO airstrip. That will decide which is selected. C130J has a massive advantage there. G_B_ 1
singhvivek141 Posted September 5 Posted September 5 2 hours ago, bsriharsha said: AL41 offers twice the run time than AL31. Surely worth considering. This is for retrofitting su30MKI to make it better than the Su35. In quite a lot of aspects , the Su30MKI is a better jet than the 35 except for the engine. IAF rejected the overhaul of replacing Su30MKI engine to AL41 and are prioritising Su30MKI upgrade in avionics and RAM coating. Not sure if its the budget as constraint, coz AL41 may not offer supercruise.
Lone Wolf Posted September 5 Posted September 5 (edited) If they want to go ahead with it, then timelines should be strictly followed and costs should be managed around the delivery timeline. We made a big mistake last time around. Edited September 5 by Lone Wolf
bsriharsha Posted September 5 Posted September 5 4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: IAF rejected the overhaul of replacing Su30MKI engine to AL41 and are prioritising Su30MKI upgrade in avionics and RAM coating. Not sure if its the budget as constraint, coz AL41 may not offer supercruise. We arent in position of having a budget be a constraint. Especially when we have two hostile neighbours. Our R&D folks at HAL are just plain lazy and risk averse. The sooner we buy that technology out right and phase out the dinosaurs at HAL , the better. HAL needs to be revamped from the top down approach. Too many people lying back and being desk job jockeys because there's no pressure on them. All the whole while when our AF is crying out for 5th gen fighters.
bsriharsha Posted September 5 Posted September 5 I agree we need 4 and 4.5 gen aircrafts as well but HAL needs to be restricted only to finish the Tejas first. Split HAL into various divisions based on priority. Remove the heads first of all and get in top rated Russian developers as consultants / architects if need be. No other private sector company would have such laggards in their core team. Why is the issue of National defense being given to HAL and their uncle's ?
bsriharsha Posted September 5 Posted September 5 3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: If they want to go ahead with it, then timelines should be strictly followed and costs should be managed around the delivery timeline. We made a big mistake last time around. I think we should be asking Russia for TOT next for the S400. Considering Russia is going in for the S500. We need more squadrons and can't rely on Russia to delay.
Lone Wolf Posted September 5 Posted September 5 15 minutes ago, bsriharsha said: I think we should be asking Russia for TOT next for the S400. Considering Russia is going in for the S500. We need more squadrons and can't rely on Russia to delay. Project Kusha is going to be better than S400.. even S400 core radars are outdated compared to what we will unleash with Kusha. This is probably a stop gap until Project Kusha matures in next decade.
Lone Wolf Posted September 5 Posted September 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Putin seems desparate for easy cash... I don't think GoI will fall for it again. Beyond S400 and Su30MKI upgrades we won't spend a penny on Russian systems. Su57 is strictly subject to mood in US admin and in general diminished Russian fighter jet productivity. Paying Jaziya to West is a profitable venture atp than filling Putin's pocket. Edited September 5 by Lone Wolf ravishingravi 1
singhvivek141 Posted September 5 Posted September 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Upgrade of kilo class submarine seems out of equation to me. There is no option to fit AIP in it...and after Varunastra our torpedo tech is as good as anyone. Additional S400 is fine, coz Kusha will take some time to mass produce and gain operational maturity. But S500 Prometheus, unless PAD & AAD arent functional, then only we should go for it. Super Sukhoi upgrade is also an indigenous program. Su57 & S400 are the only viable options ij my opinion. One key thing absent here is the lease of Chakra SSN...not sure why no news. Our P77 is heavily inspired by Russian SSN. Edited September 5 by singhvivek141
singhvivek141 Posted September 5 Posted September 5 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Putin seems desparate for easy cash... I don't think GoI will fall for it again. Beyond S400 and Su30MKI upgrades we won't spend a penny on Russian systems. Su57 is strictly subject to mood in US admin and in general diminished Russian fighter jet productivity. Paying Jaziya to West is a profitable venture atp than filling Putin's pocket. Su57s success depend heavily on India. Although, I would like India to join hands for IL476 & SJ100 program as well They wont attract risk of CAATSA and keep Russia afloat. Su57, IAF wont go for it unless Russia offers ToT with twin pilot variant (and also AL51). Although, everything will go for toss if China offers its 5th gen fighter jet to Pooks. G_B_ 1
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