Pakistan tour of England 2026 | 3 Tests | 19th, 27th August, 9th September| 3:30 pm IST | Headingley, Lords, Edgbaston | SonyLiv

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Stuart broad disagrees wobble seam is a new thing. As per him Ambrose, Walsh, Sutart clark were bowling that. Just that they didn't have a name for that. that is what i thought. May be they called scrambled seam or something like that.  I remmeber Chaminda vaas gripping the ball slanting with 3 quarterseam in his grip. Tendulkar has been drawn into false shot a few times. 

 

Yes , it not new thing. but bowler now know how to bowl it , how to be more efficient and how to repeat it.

This is similar to reverse-swing , its not like ball was not reversing previously but teams didnot know why and how its heaping and how to repeat it.

 

Holding a slanted seam or scrambled seam and bowling and hoping it does something is diff than knowing what exactly it will do. so now bowler have more control and they know what they are doing 

 

Edited August 30 by tapandrun

[Manucrick]

Legwan gone   Pooks cricket fans always argue that Legwan is better than Pant 

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Legwan gone   Pooks cricket fans always argue that Legwan is better than Pant 

This was most likely legwan's last test inns.

[govinda]

21 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Legwan gone   Pooks cricket fans always argue that Legwan is better than Pant 

Only morans on pp argue that

[vvvslaxman]

36 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Yes , it not new thing. but bowler now know how to bowl it , how to be more efficient and how to repeat it.

This is similar to reverse-swing , its not like ball was not reversing previously but teams didnot know why and how its heaping and how to repeat it.

 

Holding a slanted seam or scrambled seam and bowling and hoping it does something is diff than knowing what exactly it will do. so now bowler have more control and they know what they are doing 

 

Knowing is one thing. Most of the great art in fast bowling is well known. Mastering is another hting. Mcgrath , Malinga bowling on a dime is still a thing not easy to master.

[vvvslaxman]

Ollie is one wicket away from reachign 100 wickets at an average under 20 !!!

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Pakistan is at the bottom of the table in WTC. They might finish there at this rate.

[vvvslaxman]

Looking at how Hasan mahmud troubled Australia and looking at how Ollie bowls i think England missed the tricket in Australia.  

[vvvslaxman]

WTC  2025-2027  cycle best bowlers average under 20  (min 10 wickets)

 

Not a single INdian is in this list.

 

Ollie RObinson 3 tests 23 wickets 8.34 average

Simon Harmer 4 test 30 wickets 14.30 average

Henry 3 test 16 wickets 14.50 avge

Hazlewood 5 test 22 wickets 15.00 average

M Jansen 3 tests 12 wickets 15.33 avge

Duffy 3 test 23 wickets 15.43 average

Mitch starc 10 tests 58 wickets 16.98 average

Pat cummins 6 tests 21 wickets 17.71 avge

Muthuswamy 3 tets 12 ickets 18.75 avge

Abbas 5 tests 28 wickets 18.96 average

Neser 3 tests 15 wickets 19.93 avge

 

Siraj 11 tests 43 wickets 26.81 avge

Jadeja 11 tests 33 wickets 36.66 avge

Bumrah 7 tests 29 wickets 22.55 avge

Kully 5 tests 21 wickets 26.95 avge

Prasdham 5 tests 21 wickets 32.90 avge

Suthar 2 tests 16 wickets 21.06 avge

Akash deep 3 tests 13 wickets 36.46 avge

Sundar 8 tests 11 wickets 49.63 avge

 

 

 

Edited August 30 by vvvslaxman

[sage]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ollie is one wicket away from reachign 100 wickets at an average under 20 !!!

 

 

How many have done this before?

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, sage said:

How many have done this before?

There might be many if you go all time. But if we start looking after 1970 not many. South Afiricans due to the over whelmingly favorable conditions there may be  a few.

[vvvslaxman]

Bumrah ~ 22

Donald ~ 25

AMbrose ~ 23

Marshal ~ 25

Mcgrath ~ 24

Steyn ~ 21

Rabada ~ 23

 

I guess i can't find a player post 1970 that reached 100 wickets at an avge less than 20 !! Ollie will be in elite club

 

[sage]

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, sage said:

 

 

 

Trundler zindabad @maniac

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

This was most likely legwan's last test inns.

No, they keep recycling same players.  Everyone in Pak team is a version of rahane who are just playing 1 career extending innings here and there.

He is ageing and is on steep decline. 

[tapandrun]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Looking at how Hasan mahmud troubled Australia and looking at how Ollie bowls i think England missed the tricket in Australia.  

Tink last time he toured there he was bowling off-spin

[sage]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bumrah ~ 22

Donald ~ 25

AMbrose ~ 23

Marshal ~ 25

Mcgrath ~ 24

Steyn ~ 21

Rabada ~ 23

 

I guess i can't find a player post 1970 that reached 100 wickets at an avge less than 20 !! Ollie will be in elite club

 

AI tells me 

 

Ian Botham	England	19	18.97
Waqar Younis	Pakistan	20	sub-20
Shaun Pollock	South Africa	—	sub-20
Vernon Philander

[Lone Wolf]

7 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Tink last time he toured there he was bowling off-spin

Plus Mahmud is deceptively quicker and bowls upto 135-137ks as well.

Ollie barely touches 130k on an odd occasion.

 

Both though are experts at wobble seam.

 

Next year Mahmud and BD will put up a better showing in that one off test at Lord's 

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

No, they keep recycling same players.  Everyone in Pak team is a version of rahane who are just playing 1 career extending innings here and there.

He is ageing and is on steep decline. 

His real age might be 37-38..  gets cramps as frequently as Kedar Jadhav used to get.

 

I think that Ghori fella who replaced him in ODIs will replace him in Birmingham 

[Lone Wolf]

Shakeel gets 97... No ton, no honours board.

 

Tribute to GG with that 97