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King Tendulkar Newbie

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The concept of the "innocent overall Muslim community" demands serious reevaluation after recent reactions of the Delhi Muslims. Now, does this mean that every single Muslim in every part of India must be put under the scanner...no, absolutely not. But increased surveillance of Muslim communities in major metro areas (Mumbai, Delhi, B'lore etc..) is absolutely crucial in combating this evil. It is clear that this "Innocent Muslim Community" is not doing much on their own to root out the scum plaguing our nation. Sadly, expecting anything like this from the current lot of gutless psec politicans is asking for way too much...a hard-right BJP government is the need of the hour. Apologies to those Indian Muslims who are truly patriotic (and yes, I recognize that there are several of them)..but after on incident after another, the options this nation has are not particularly plentiful.
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Gaffar bomber stopped for ice-cream NEW DELHI: Mohammed Shakeel, who had allegedly planted the bomb at Gaffar Market on September 13, was running ahead of "schedule" on that fateful Saturday. So, investigators claim, he decided to stop at India Gate, go for a stroll and have an ice-cream. Only when the driver of the autorickshaw Shakeel had hired said he could not wait any longer, did the bomber resume the journey. Such nonchalance, just before engineering mayhem that left 11 dead, was the hallmark of the Indian Mujahideen module that is believed to have been behind the Delhi blasts, say investigators. These bombers were educated — there was a gold medalist in economics and several engineering diploma holders — yet there was a macabre sense of achievement derived out of their deadly passion. They would not just play harbingers of death but also compare tolls, like hunters comparing kills, claim police officials carrying out the probe. Said DCP (south) H G S Dhaliwal, "After having caused the blasts, they would come back home and watch TV, saying things like "tere to bas do hi hai mere dus hai". If a bomb planted by one of them got defused, the person would become the target of ridicule for the rest." On being asked what motivated them, Dhaliwal talked about the "bundles of currency notes" that they would see Atif handling. Dhaliwal says death gave these terrorists a high — Atif would often take pictures of the commotion following a blast from a distance of 30m. Some of these visuals had been saved in their computer in the same way as a sportsman would display his trophies. These visuals are now important evidence in the police probe. Also found in the same computer were pictures of the slain Sajid and the arrested Saif with bold captions like "most wanted". These visuals, shown to journalists by Joint CP Karnal Singh, gave a chilling indication of the ambitions of these otherwise normal youngsters with academic careers that, at least in the case of Saquib Nisar who had won a gold medal in economics from Jamia Millia Islamia University, was way above average. Says former cop and expert on terrorism related issues, K P S Gill, "Influx of educated people into terror activities was rampant when Naxalism first appeared in India. Naxal cadre was drawn from the best colleges in the country and the brightest minds. The same phenomenon seems to be repeating itself in a different context." Many experts said outfits like SIMI would often go scouting for "talent". "They go to various parts of the country propagating their hate agenda and exhorting students and professionals to join terror activities," said a Delhi Police official. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Like_hunters_terrorists_compared_tolls/articleshow/3510985.cms I just have no words........how can these people be humans?

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The concept of the "innocent overall Muslim community" demands serious reevaluation after recent reactions of the Delhi Muslims. Now, does this mean that every single Muslim in every part of India must be put under the scanner...no, absolutely not. But increased surveillance of Muslim communities in major metro areas (Mumbai, Delhi, B'lore etc..) is absolutely crucial in combating this evil. It is clear that this "Innocent Muslim Community" is not doing much on their own to root out the scum plaguing our nation. Sadly, expecting anything like this from the current lot of gutless psec politicans is asking for way too much...a hard-right BJP government is the need of the hour.
I disagree completely about the necessity of a hard-right BJP government. For one, not only will they alienate your 'good, desh-premi muslims', they will alienate anyone who isnt a hard-right hindu - the christians, the jains, the buddhists, the centrist hindus and the atheists. Furthermore, BJP and all other political parties have amply demonstrated that their ability to solve or contribute positively towards a communal problem is near zero and their ability to worsen the situation is near perfect. A hard-right BJP will result in mass retaliatory action against muslim communities after these age-old bomb blasts ( which is counter-productive and most hinduvtas- like the currently missing crowd from here- do not realize) and instead of any meaningful contribution towards the terrorism problem. Hindu hard-right folks tend to think that it is cool/okay/justified for a bunch of hindus to go pillaging, killing and raping a muslim-dominated neighbourhood after a bomb blast or train burning, simply under the guise of ' it was retaliatory/they need their own medication, etc etc', all the while utterly failing to realize that this worsens the situation ( eg: if a kid saw his family slaughtered and his mother raped, he would want to kill all those who did that/supported that- doesnt matter whether it was retaliatory or not). No, a hard-right BJP government will only see increasing sectarianism, more empty rhetoric and a generalized growth in the sense of victimhood of the muslims. IMO the best solution is simply for our government to have our own mistaravim-type agency. For those who do not know what that is, the mistaravim are an elite unit of the IDF ( Israeli Defence Forces) and they get rigorous training in the koran, in the customs and mentality of the muslims and spend their entire careers living in a muslim community, pretending to be muslims and being infiltrators for the IDF, who alert the IDF/present comprehensive strategic and tactical dominance for the Israelis against these muslim jihadists ( the word mistaravim in Hebrew means 'those who pretend to be arabs'). The mistaravim unit has already provided decisive advantage to the IDF, particularly during the six-day war, where mistaravim infiltrators from Syria relayed categoric positions and take-off/landing information of the Syrian Air Force to the Israelis. Infact, according to one top-line Israeli retired general, who was involved in the yom-kippur war, he credits the utter dominance of the Israeli Air force over the Syrians to the Mistaravims : It is a myth that the Israelis flew better planes or were better trained - the Syrians had top of the line Soviet migs that the US feared and top of the line training from the Soviets too- yet, the presence of mistaravims in Syrian Air Force meant that IDF was aware of exactly who was taking off from where in the Syrian Air Force- the Israeli Air Force tactic was to isolate the 'veteran pilot' in the squadron ( easily accomplished with their infiltrators giving them flight data) and gang-up on him, which invariably overwhlmed the veteran and then went back to finish the newbies. Not to mention, mistaravims have resulted in countless failed bombing/suicide missions in Israel by these allah-jihadis. ( mind you, their track record in prevention of terrorism isnt perfect- nobody can have a perfect solution to anything). What India needs, is their own Mistaravim type unit. We are identical 'race' as these Pakistanis and Afghans- forget westerners, most desis/pakistanis etc. couldnt tell each other apart if they dressed the same and acted the same. What we need, is a paramilitary unit, which is fully educated on the Koran, is taught the wahabist/deobandi/talibani ideology and then sent across the border to 'join up in the jihad for kashmir and hindoostan'. We already know that some Indian muslims have gone across the border to train/set up logistics for their terrorism missions inside India- there is no reason why an Indian mistaravim wouldn't be able to infiltrate these terrorist cells and simply alert the government/military during a terrorism mission or sabotage it. That way, we get to have our cake and eat it too - terrorism would be greatly curtailed and we wouldnt have to put up with the scenario of 'real victim muslims' either. Win-win IMO.
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The dilemma of an educated Muslim youth Saif Khalid Friday, September 26, 2008, (New Delhi) One of the terrorists caught after the Delhi encounter was my namesake. I cannot describe the feeling as the name Saif was splashed across various news channels. The nightmare was not over. I wanted to cry; I felt like a helpless alien in my own country. Terrorists once again played with deadly bombs in Delhi on September 13, bringing the usual destruction of life and property. By now, we Indians have become quite accustomed to death and destruction -- man made or natural. My very first reaction was: Will it be Indian Mujahideen (IM) once again? Within minutes of the blasts IM claimed it was behind the savagery. I felt like crying and shouting from the rooftop that whatever the terrorists have done in the name of Islam was wrong; that I am an Indian, who also happens to be a Muslim. I would not rejoice at the bleeding of my very own countrymen. Then, exactly six days later at around 11 am I was awakened by the cacophonic sound of my mobile. My colleague was on phone and asking: Are you okay? There's an encounter going on in your area. The news snatched away my sleep; it became a victim of terror. Then followed a barrage of calls from my friends -- most of them Hindus -- to enquire about my well-being. I was so embarrassed, uncomfortable, conscious of a strange guilt, defensive and uneasy. And, I was staying in an area being projected as the "safe haven" for terrorists. How could I gulp the hard fact that my neighbours were those who had partied over the killing of innocent people? Jamia Nagar was on the national map within hours of the encounter and that also for the worst possible reason. Then came the psychological bomb -- one of the terrorists caught following the police encounter was my namesake. I cannot describe the feeling that I underwent the moment the name Saif was splashed across various news channels. "What the hell?" I could react thus. The nightmare was not over. At work, while moderating comments on many stories on the incident and its aftermath it was difficult to ignore the bombardment of nasty comments against Muslims. Almost 95 per cent of them demonised Muslims and a major chunk of the surfers suggested that Muslims be thrown out of India. The ground beneath my feet shook. I kept working, but nothing registered. I wanted to cry. I felt like a helpless alien in my own country. I had never thought of myself as being part of anything but the mainstream -- the very premise of that was crumbling in front of me. That day, the usually intrepid journalist in me lost out to the bewildered youth. I did not feel like going to Batla House (the place of the encounter), as I was hugely disturbed. For the first time in my life I felt that I was the "other," or so I was made to feel. And that I was the "enemy within," was a suspect, a potential terrorist and that, the phrase "terrorists have no religion" was no longer valid. The more the media discussed about the terrorists' profiles, the more insecure I felt. Now the terrorists were no longer some gun-toting, bearded, rustic and madrassa-educated lot. They were suave, university-educated, guy-next-door types. The new face of terror has really put the moderate, peace-loving Muslim youth in a quandary. The day after the encounter, I actually went to Batla House in Jamia Nagar to take stock of the situation myself. People were wary of talking to strangers, the now proverbial "siege within" was obvious, the near absence of trust in policemen was alarming and the air was filled with various conspiracy theories alleged to have been hatched by the government. In fact, the complete lack of trust in police among the people in the area is an alarming situation; it's a complete communalisation of their outlook. The sooner the government acts, the better it would be for the country. I found myself so out of place here but even then I could not consider them as the "other". In fact, they are Indians like you and me. It's only their low level of education and thereby the lack of job opportunities that have perpetually marginalised them. This area is a forced ghetto where affluent, poor, students, teachers are crammed in such a small space. What has been the government's initiative to bring this huge area to the mainstream? Instead the government's apathy is palpable -- the entire area has just one ATM (SBI) and there is no resident welfare association. The UPA government's token gesture to open up more bank branches in Muslim areas actually drew the Opposition's ire for what they called "Muslim appeasement". Tour of the area to know how liberally Muslims have indeed been appeased by successive governments since Independence. There are no civic amenities, large parts of the area do not even get MCD water supply and in this area talking about parks would be a big joke. Terrorists are a fringe minority -- they do not belong to communities. They function outside of communities. Most educated Muslim youth are like I am -- your co-worker with corporate dreams, social dreams of working alongside every Indian to build a great nation. Putting all the blame on all Muslims is easier option, but it will not help in bringing India's largest minority out of their current morass. The fight against terror will be fought on various fronts and Muslims' continued backwardness will certainly not help the cause. The discourse of "us and them" needs to change. Bracketing Muslims as the "other" will only continue to aggravate the problem. Lets consider it as our problem, India's problem; and work together to defeat the cancer of communalism, mistrust and terrorism. (Saif Khalid is a senior Copy Editor with NDTV.com. The views expressed here are his own and not of NDTV.) http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080066736 :((:((:((

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I have to admit that, for the first time, I am beginning to fear for the safety and security of my family in India. I understand that these things are totally out of control, but, it just doesnt feel safe enough to live in a big city anymore.

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New Delhi: A 13-year-old boy had his head blown off when a bomb dropped by two young men from a motorcycle exploded in a crowded market in the Mehrauli area. Seventeen people were injured, many seriously in the congested Mahrauli Sarai electronic market in the city's southern outskirts. The bomb exploded during the afternoon rush. The bombers, believed to be in their mid-20s, wearing jeans with their heads covered by helmets, sped away on a black Pulsar motorcycle according to eyewitnesses. A similar motorcycle was found abandoned elsewhere in the city. Police said the dead boy, Santosh Kumar, picked up the bomb concealed in a lunch box and wrapped in a black polythene bag and tried handing it back to the motorcycle riders, thinking they had dropped the packet by mistake. As the bomb began emitting smoke, the frightened child dropped it and tried to run away. But within seconds, it exploded, killing him and felling many men and women in the vicinity. Even as the Capital came under the attack of terrorists for the second time in a fortnight, authorities quickly sounded a high alert in the city. Six bomb blasts in the last two weeks have brought terror home to the nation's Capital. Just four days after the first round of blasts on September 13 - as a strained Delhi Police grappled for answers - 7,000 new posts were finally sanctioned by the Finance Ministry, a proposal it had been sitting on for four months. http://www.ibnlive.com/news/upa-speeds-up-clears-7-plans-to-fight-terror/74486-3.html

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your attitude is just begging for serious smashing.
lol was that an e-threat? but seriously though, i really want Congress to stay! they're doing great stuff for India.. Pretty soon India would look like Afghanistan.... yay!
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