4th test, 3rd day's Dhoni's tactics :Intelligent or negative?

[King Tendulkar]

Hell yeah. I still think it was the seniors plan and they must take the credit for this genius move

[DomainK]

Yes. I agree.

[Lord]

Can you show me the book called "A LINE YOU SHOULD NOT CROSS" or "THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME" i would love reading it, who wrote it you or donny :cantstop:

so u r one of those who go by the rule book.sanctity n traditions of the game doesnt mean anything to u.u play to entertain people n dhoni tactics were certainly not entertaining,it was plain boring.u cant take away the charm of the game just to be safe in the series

[Guest Hiten.]

Dhoni was forced into defensive shell because Indian batsmen lost their BIGGEST chance of registering 600+ runs in the first innings. The pitch was tailored for the Indian batsmen in the 1st innings to pile the runs on, keeping this in mind Dhoni had to compensate for the lost chance with defensive tactics. It obviously was a intelligent move because Dhoni couldn't afford an attacking field with 400 on the board. Australia has to win the game and not India, so why would Dhoni have an attacking field when India are comfortably placed in the series. Had our score been 600+, Dhoni would have gone for the attacking field, case in example: Delhi For those who are saying it was boring to watch and its hampering the form of this game...BS! Dhoni did not take over the captaincy from kumble to glitter test match's look or entertain you folks. His task is to win and if that's not possible go for a draw. No matter how you play test cricket, you simply cannot endorse its style to the new audiences. It is very hard for some freshie to follow 40 hours of game over the span of 5 days, they'd be better off working 9-5 shifts. There is no way a player can attract audience, its the game that spellbound's the audiences.

[Shane]

so u r one of those who go by the rule book.sanctity n traditions of the game doesnt mean anything to u.u play to entertain people n dhoni tactics were certainly not entertaining' date='it was plain boring.u cant take away the charm of the game just to be safe in the series[/quote'] Boring !!! we are no clowns, we are here to win the faccking game, thats the message that Dhoni sends out and i must say, Dhoni is a Legend !!! :icflove:

[Shane]

so u r one of those who go by the rule book.sanctity n traditions of the game doesnt mean anything to u.u play to entertain people n dhoni tactics were certainly not entertaining' date='it was plain boring.u cant take away the charm of the game just to be safe in the series[/quote'] Boring !!! we are no clowns, we are here to win the faccking game, thats the message that Dhoni sends out and i must say, Dhoni is a Legend !!! :icflove:

[Lord]

Get your vote in !!! Lets decide this on a public opinion Sachin_Rox

why r asking people to agree on results?just to win? of course they will agree? even i do . but the fact is the tactics were plain negative. if u had asked the same question after morning session there would have been different answers. now people's mind r occupied by results

[arkay]

Prem Panicker: How wide is a wide? How wide is a wide? A narrative emerged in course of today’s play in the fourth Test between India and Australia. Briefly, thus: India put eight men on one side of the field and bowled on that side to choke Australia down. They slowed the run rate down, they slowed the over rate down. This is unfair. Laws need to be changed; this should not be allowed to go on at a time when Test attendance is thinning. These points are made in the Cricinfo bulletin, and Ian Chappell expands on the theme in his usual end of game podcast. To take the last point first—89 overs were bowled today, one short of the mandatory 90. In the first two Tests, Australia never managed, despite playing time being extended by half an hour, to bowl 85 overs in a day. If Test attendance is the concern, that is when it should have been expressed—would it be fair to turn the argument on its head and suggest that it is because of those tardy over rates that today, no one is coming to the Nagpur stadium to watch one contemporary icon play his 100th Test while another plays his last? Clearly not—if Test cricket is struggling to draw the crowds, you have to look elsewhere for answers; the problem is endemic, it has been noticed any time these last four or five years, and to invoke it in context of today’s play is plain sophistry. More to the immediate point: 24 overs were bowled in the first session of the first day. 24 overs were bowled in the first session today. How does the first instance constitute proper cricket and today’s become a ‘go slow’? So what is the other problem? Eight men on the off side? And that makes the hair on the nape of your neck stand up in horror why? Last time I read the rule book, there was absolutely nothing in there that prohibits eight, or even nine, men standing on that side of the pitch, so what is the problem again? That leaves one other grouse: Ishant and Zaheer bowled well wide of off stump. That raises a question: how wide is ‘wide’? Umpires are empowered to call the wide if in their opinion the batsman does not have a fair chance to play it. In course of the Australian innings, the umpires called two wides. Would it be fair to say that in the opinion of the umpires, the other deliveries were not wide enough to unfairly prevent batsmen from addressing them? What bugs me is this: when spinners [including, on more than one occasion, Shane Warne] pack the leg side and bowl around the wicket, outside leg stump, no outcry is heard. Why is there one now, when seam bowlers bowl outside off with a packed off field? The universal angst stems from one event: on the day, the Indians out-thought the Australians; MS Dhoni brought to the captaincy the sort of street smarts we have often envied in other teams and other captains [in passing, and while on this, should the ICC also legislate against fielding captains who, when the opposition batsmen are on a roll, adjust the field after every ball and call a mid wicket team meeting after every over—as Ponting has done on more than one occasion on this tour?] Realizing that he couldn’t allow the Australian batsmen to get up a head of steam, he applied the choke; Katich early on tried to counter with a waft outside off and was lucky to be dropped. He panicked and went into a shell—and that panic pervaded the minds of the remaining batsmen in the hut. Not one batsman in the lineup attempted to counter the tactics. For instance, if a gully cricketer saw just one fielder standing on the leg side, you can bet big money he will take a big sideways stride and swipe across his body, confident that even a mishit will fetch him runs. Do that a few times [As for instance, batsmen have employed the reverse when spinners have stuck to the line outside leg] and you force the fielding captain to change tactics. If you don’t, he won’t—simple. And besides, the Indians bowled more conventional lines to Michael Clarke, with a more balanced field setting—so what explains his effort of 8 runs in 44 balls? Had an Indian batting side crawled the way Australia did today—more so after all that pre-series talk of new age cricket—the media and blogs including this would have been vicious. The fact that Australia encountered a strategy it had not anticipated, and hence did not know how to counter, does not in and of itself spell the death knell of Test cricket, nor does it cue an emergency meeting of the ICC rules committee to seek quick fixes. Just as a matter of interest, what legislation would you bring in? You are allowed to keep only five fielders on any one side of the wicket? Bowlers have to bowl deliveries batsmen can hit? What? Cricket is as much a game of strategy and tactics as it is of bowling wicket taking balls and hitting the ball out of the park. Captains and players with cricketing intelligence will constantly innovate [Remember the recent kerfluffle about Kevin Pietersen and his switch hitting?]. That is the nature of not just cricket, but all sport—live with it, appreciate the strategy for what it accomplished, and keep your eye peeled for future opposition to come up with interesting counters. One final thought on this theme: The Aussies have the ball in hand; I’d be interested to see if Ricky tries the same trick, and if he does, what the Indians come up with to counter it. Two moments from the actual play that stood out: M Vijay, for the second time in his debut on the field, produced a sharp bit of fielding, and Zaheer’s stroke-of-lunch yorker to get rid of Katich, after the batsman had been nicely primed to expect deliveries outside off. I’m already looking forward to tomorrow.

[Rajan]

steve waugh once had all 9 fielders on off side against Zimbabwe. if australia does it, then v should welcome it, if any team does it against aussies, then the rules have to be changed! what hypocrites the aussies are. sore losers! ugly aussies.

[arkay]

Ozzie hypocracy at it again. Should stop whinging and do something about this?

[Shane]

why r asking people to agree on results?just to win? of course they will agree? even i do . but the fact is the tactics were plain negative. if u had asked the same question after morning session there would have been different answers. now people's mind r occupied by results

Win ??? what win ??? its a debate open to the general ICFers come lets get their opinion in too !!! do you mind that ???

[DomainK]

why r asking people to agree on results?just to win? of course they will agree? even i do . but the fact is the tactics were plain negative. if u had asked the same question after morning session there would have been different answers. now people's mind r occupied by results

You equated that with the underarm incident. You said that its against the spirit of the game. So you conciously approve something against the spirit of the game? We believe that its a brilliant strategy. We agree with it. You believe that its against the spirit of the game. You agree with it. What that makes you?

[Lord]

Win ??? what win ??? its a debate open to the general ICFers come lets get their opinion in too !!! do you mind that ???

yeah but the way u put the question-'do u agree wid dhoni's tactics n its results'why do u want them to opine on results? results were good,but that does not endorse negative n boring cricket. anyway the fact that u have resorted to the poll indicates that even u r confused. almost everybody will agree wid dhoni's tactics , not because they were right but bcoz results came soon after.results are fresh in everybody's minds goodbye for now.cya

[Lord]

You equated that with the underarm incident. You said that its against the spirit of the game. So you conciously approve something against the spirit of the game? We believe that its a brilliant strategy. We agree with it. You believe that its against the spirit of the game. You agree with it. What that makes you?

i dont agree with the tactics at all . i agree that we got wickets.although lucky, few of them.katich was wrongly given lbw n watson played onto his stumps.which wicket do u think was inspired by 8-1 field? none.

[Sachinism]

i dont agree with the tactics at all . i agree that we got wickets.although lucky' date=' few of them.katich was wrongly given lbw n watson played onto his stumps.which wicket do u think was inspired by 8-1 field? none.[/quote'] why are you picking out stupid **** like watson played onto the stumps the last i heard, that is a form of dismissal in cricket it happens to everyone You seem to want to take away from India anything you can

[CSK Fan]

In the last game, Kumble didnt try anything radical and it petered into a draw. The only reason we got Aus out cheaply on a flat wicket was because of Dhoni's tactics. And Sachin Rox maybe you need to revisit some old matches. Aus and Sl have employeed this tactic successfully for years wihtout being questioned.

[flamy]

lol, good on ya shane. I wasnt here much, looks like someone's not happy that what we all predicted from the start is happening. Still much more to come from Dhoni. Enjoy the ride. A new era has begun. :two_thumbs_up:

[Sachinism]

For instance, if a gully cricketer saw just one fielder standing on the leg side, you can bet big money he will take a big sideways stride and swipe across his body, confident that even a mishit will fetch him runs. Do that a few times [As for instance, batsmen have employed the reverse when spinners have stuck to the line outside leg] and you force the fielding captain to change tactics.

This is point that stands out the most. The Aussies did absolutely nothing to counter the strategy. They simply weren't good enough or confident enough to deal with it. I can guarantee if Sehwag, Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni, Gambhir had been batting, they would be clipping or smashing balls through the legside. Some of these would just continue to pierce the packed offside field. Aussies simply couldn't handle it and now are whining about it

[Sachinism]

Dhoni was forced into defensive shell because Indian batsmen lost their BIGGEST chance of registering 600+ runs in the first innings. The pitch was tailored for the Indian batsmen in the 1st innings to pile the runs on, keeping this in mind Dhoni had to compensate for the lost chance with defensive tactics. It obviously was a intelligent move because Dhoni couldn't afford an attacking field with 400 on the board. Australia has to win the game and not India, so why would Dhoni have an attacking field when India are comfortably placed in the series. Had our score been 600+, Dhoni would have gone for the attacking field, case in example: Delhi For those who are saying it was boring to watch and its hampering the form of this game...BS! Dhoni did not take over the captaincy from kumble to glitter test match's look or entertain you folks. His task is to win and if that's not possible go for a draw. No matter how you play test cricket, you simply cannot endorse its style to the new audiences. It is very hard for some freshie to follow 40 hours of game over the span of 5 days, they'd be better off working 9-5 shifts. There is no way a player can attract audience, its the game that spellbound's the audiences.

Very true. some people need to remember this is Test cricket, the key word being "TEST", the best players are tested and well the aussies folded. This is what test cricket is about, players having their backs against the wall and seeing how they handle it

[DomainK]

why are you picking out stupid **** like watson played onto the stumps the last i heard, that is a form of dismissal in cricket it happens to everyone You seem to want to take away from India anything you can

Correction. Its 'Dhoni' and not 'India'. He has a problem with Dhoni. He always looks for an opportunity to talk bad about Dhoni. If that means talking bad about India, its perfectly acceptable to him.