ZK is the new sultan of swing/seam after Akram

[graphic23]

Banned I remember sometime in the 2000s for messing with the seam and caught on camera whilst playing for India.

... I believe if you extend your reading time a little more and scroll further down the page, you'll find that the ban was reversed.

[Kohum]

Like Sachin Tendulkar- master in tampering :P

FAIL, you should talk to one of Pakistani Pacers about tampering. :P

[King]

ZK is now very good and can get better but for him to be considered extremely good he has to bring his bowling average down to under 23/22. If he can get to 25 considering he plays quite a bit of cricket in sub continent he would be classed in the ranks of say Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose and the rest. Not that he cannot do it but he needs to get there.

[The Outsider]

^ Don't think that's a realistic possibility. He averages 33 right now and to bring his overall average down to 25 will require something superhuman, specially on the more batting friendly surfaces going around. What is more realistic is for him to average in the mid 20s since his return 2-3 years back, which in itself would be a great achievement.

[the_mokc]

zaheer is over rater and over hyped by the media. there are plenty of left armers better than him at the moment like mitchell johnson and ryan sidebottom. just look at his stats in the 13 seasons he has played for india he has only had 3 good seasons(averaging less than 30 per wicket). zaheer averages 38 on home tracks and 32 on away tracks. in contrast ishant averages 24 on home tracks and 45 on away tracks. clearly ishant is a brilliant bowler on home tracks wheras zaheer is EXTREMELY mediocre but neither of them can exploit seamer friendly conditions which is worrying , which only means they rely SOLELY on swing and dont posess enough skill to utilize conditons. sreesanth is prolly the only indian bowler who ever looked like he know how to utilize bowling conditions to the max and he has a respectable away average of 28. sure zaheer got wickets in this series but is new zealand a side worth considering?? he only averages below 30 in nz,eng and zimb. he averages almost 40 in pakistan,southafrica,sri lanka,australia,west indies. clearly he is a liabilty in the team when not playing in eng or nz. he should be dropped in favour of sreesanth when touring abroad. ishant needs to improve his 45 away average . we need to admit tht while we have a better pace attack than the pussy time of the 90s were still a long way to go to establish ourselves as a team with a great bowling attack. pakistan produced the fastest and best swingers in the sub continent, followed by SRI LANKA, not india. the fastest non-pakistan in the region is lasith malinga and the best non-pakistani proponent of swing bowling in the region was chaminda vaas. the only hope we have are the development of the two sharmas, ishant and atul

[graphic23]

zaheer is over rater and over hyped by the media. there are plenty of left armers better than him at the moment like mitchell johnson and ryan sidebottom. just look at his stats in the 13 seasons he has played for india he has only had 3 good seasons(averaging less than 30 per wicket). zaheer averages 38 on home tracks and 32 on away tracks. in contrast ishant averages 24 on home tracks and 45 on away tracks. clearly ishant is a brilliant bowler on home tracks wheras zaheer is EXTREMELY mediocre but neither of them can exploit seamer friendly conditions which is worrying , which only means they rely SOLELY on swing and dont posess enough skill to utilize conditons. sreesanth is prolly the only indian bowler who ever looked like he know how to utilize bowling conditions to the max and he has a respectable away average of 28. sure zaheer got wickets in this series but is new zealand a side worth considering?? he only averages below 30 in nz,eng and zimb. he averages almost 40 in pakistan,southafrica,sri lanka,australia,west indies. clearly he is a liabilty in the team when not playing in eng or nz. he should be dropped in favour of sreesanth when touring abroad. ishant needs to improve his 45 away average . we need to admit tht while we have a better pace attack than the pussy time of the 90s were still a long way to go to establish ourselves as a team with a great bowling attack. pakistan produced the fastest and best swingers in the sub continent, followed by SRI LANKA, not india. the fastest non-pakistan in the region is lasith malinga and the best non-pakistani proponent of swing bowling in the region was chaminda vaas. the only hope we have are the development of the two sharmas, ishant and atul

Who're you referring to as "we" ?

[punjabi_khota]

garbagel

lololololololololl paki troll.

[King]

pakistan produced the fastest and best swingers in the sub continent, followed by SRI LANKA, not india. the fastest non-pakistan in the region is lasith malinga and the best non-pakistani proponent of swing bowling in the region was chaminda vaas. the only hope we have are the development of the two sharmas, ishant and atul

Whatever happened to Pakistan phast bowling attack though???? Since 2000 it is a crippled bowling attack. Neither they can swing, seam nor spin. Even Bangladesh bowling attack looks more menacing than Pakistan of late (Bangladesh has some decent spin bowlers in their ranks). If Zaheer Khan was from Pakistan he would have been treated like god and would have possibly gifted him half of Pakistan for his bowling exploits. If Shoaib Akthar has been pampered so much I can't think how the likes of Zaheer, Ishant, Sreesant and RP Singh would have been treated in Pakistan. Pakistan has produced druggies, ball tamperers, pitch dancers in the last decade or so and nothing more.

[the_mokc]

guys im not pakistani i just think zaheer is over rated and the true LAMBI RACE KA GHORA "SREESANTH" is being ignored at his expense . the point i was tryng to make before my mind drifted away cuz i was high was tht on home grounds sreesanth/sharma should play and in away matches sreesanth/zaheer should play. sharma sucks really bad abroad and zaheer is just an average bowler who's had 2 good seasons @KING even the pakistanis wont treat him like a god because he doesnt take wickets.PERIOD hes had two good seasons thats all otherwise he is same category as pathan or prasad. and i wasnt reffering to the current pakistani pacers for god sake

[Gambit]

guys im not pakistani i just think zaheer is over rated and the true LAMBI RACE KA GHORA "SREESANTH" is being ignored at his expense . the point i was tryng to make before my mind drifted away cuz i was high was tht on home grounds sreesanth/sharma should play and in away matches sreesanth/zaheer should play. sharma sucks really bad abroad and zaheer is just an average bowler who's had 2 good seasons @KING even the pakistanis wont treat him like a god because he doesnt take wickets.PERIOD hes had two good seasons thats all otherwise he is same category as pathan or prasad. and i wasnt reffering to the current pakistani pacers for god sake

Gave yourself away there sonny. As an expert in linguistics, let me tell you that only Pakis write Ghora whereas Indians write Ghoda. Yawn, another Paki wannabe Indian.:bawling: Don't blame you though, given the state of your country. B->

[Chandan]

@KING even the pakistanis wont treat him like a god because he doesnt take wickets.PERIOD hes had two good seasons thats all otherwise he is same category as pathan or prasad.and i wasnt reffering to the current pakistani pacers for god sake

Oh wow!! So which other great bowlers have taken 210 test wickets just in two season, as you claim?

guys im not pakistani i just think zaheer is over rated and the true LAMBI RACE KA GHORA "SREESANTH" is being ignored at his expense . the point i was tryng to make before my mind drifted away cuz i was high was tht on home grounds sreesanth/sharma should play and in away matches sreesanth/zaheer should play. sharma sucks really bad abroad and zaheer is just an average bowler who's had 2 good seasons

Why is Sree the lambi race ka ghoda? How many wickets has he taken and where? Zaheer made him look like a novice in England and Ishant showed him what a good fast bowler could do, even on the slow and low tracks of India when he returned for the 3rs test vs SA at home last year!! Sree has to work really hard to replace any of these two.

[the_mokc]

Gave yourself away there sonny. As an expert in linguistics' date=' let me tell you that only Pakis write Ghora whereas Indians write Ghoda. Yawn, another Paki wannabe Indian.:bawling: Don't blame you though, given the state of your country. B->[/quote'] whtever dawg i aint here to prove my nationality, i know what i am. as for sreesanth. he averages below 30 abroad, has pace(more faster consistently than anyone else in the team), can swing the ball both ways (somwthing ishant cant) and has tht unique ability to run through a side like great pacers do something he demostrated in johanseburg. fact it most of you duffers cant see beyond sree's antics and see him for what he really is a geninely wickettaking fast bowler. if u dont belive look at his test stats better strike rate and average than any indian bowler playing right now.

[the_mokc]

sreesanth is being victim of rascism from bcci which prefers north indians players as bowlers cuz the fools think northies have better build, there is not one indian bowler whos faster than sreesanth. remember those lasst 3 wickets he took in the first day of lords test swingwing the ball both ways at pace, no indian bowler can do tht. im not pakistan, im just a big sreesanth fan

[King]

sreesanth is being victim of rascism from bcci which prefers north indians players as bowlers cuz the fools think northies have better build, there is not one indian bowler whos faster than sreesanth. remember those lasst 3 wickets he took in the first day of lords test swingwing the ball both ways at pace, no indian bowler can do tht. im not pakistan, im just a big sreesanth fan

It's quite strange you have that opinion particularly if you are from India. Do you have any clue Zaheer is not from North??? Secondly who's been the fastest bowler from India so far, one Mr.Srinath and you know where he comes from right? Why do you think he played for 11 years of international cricket if they were regionalists (not racists BTW all Indians are of the same race)? The only fast bowler from North right now is Ishant Sharma FYI. I think you need to know the bowling attack in the last decade that existed as well. You honestly have no point whatsoever.

[the_mokc]

It's quite strange you have that opinion particularly if you are from India. Do you have any clue Zaheer is not from North??? Secondly who's been the fastest bowler from India so far, one Mr.Srinath and you know where he comes from right? Why do you think he played for 11 years of international cricket if they were regionalists (not racists BTW all Indians are of the same race)? The only fast bowler from North right now is Ishant Sharma FYI. I think you need to know the bowling attack in the last decade that existed as well. You honestly have no point whatsoever.

zaheer khan, irfan pathan are muslims, all muslims orignially from north india munaf patel, rp singh, ishant sharma, manpreet gony,vrv singh, all all bnorth indian. look at balaji;s away record, its better than anyone in tht list and yet he never gets any games. why??

[the_mokc]

srinath was from south india and was india's est bowler since kapil. now the bcci wants to ignore the south.

[Fontaine]

guys im not pakistani i just think zaheer is over rated and the true LAMBI RACE KA GHORA "SREESANTH" is being ignored at his expense . the point i was tryng to make before my mind drifted away cuz i was high was tht on home grounds sreesanth/sharma should play and in away matches sreesanth/zaheer should play. sharma sucks really bad abroad and zaheer is just an average bowler who's had 2 good seasons @KING even the pakistanis wont treat him like a god because he doesnt take wickets.PERIOD hes had two good seasons thats all otherwise he is same category as pathan or prasad. and i wasnt reffering to the current pakistani pacers for god sake

Your posts make my brain hurt. On hand you praise Sidebottom as a better lefty yet he's played at a high level for a lot less than Zaheer, and got his best stats against bottom feeding teams like NZ for which you criticize Zaheer, and at the same time Sidebottom played half his cricket in swinging conditions in England. What a clown.

[Fontaine]

srinath was from south india and was india's est bowler since kapil. now the bcci wants to ignore the south.

Cool, then maybe you should stop following the Indian team because it's been formed by racist policies and has been ignoring Sreesanth? You're either a man of principles and will do this or are a hypocrite and will continue to follow the team even though it has this conspiracy of minimizing the great Sreesanth. In the meantime, while you remain bitter and angry about the south indian bowlers being ignored you go follow Sreesanth's career as he goes from hospital to hospital with his latest injury. Now pi$$ off troll.

[the_mokc]

Cool, then maybe you should stop following the Indian team because it's been formed by racist policies and has been ignoring Sreesanth? You're either a man of principles and will do this or are a hypocrite and will continue to follow the team even though it has this conspiracy of minimizing the great Sreesanth. In the meantime, while you remain bitter and angry about the south indian bowlers being ignored you go follow Sreesanth's career as he goes from hospital to hospital with his latest injury. Now pi$$ off troll.

even u know tht sreesanth was not dropped due to injury or loss of form he was dropped cuz the bcci though he was an embarrasment to the team which is a stupid thing to do, if the player can win the matches then u shouldnt bother with whether he acts like a monkey or liek a statsman. and no i will not stop following team india, because afterall they represent my country and im not like the bcci, i dont see north india or south india, i see only india

[Fontaine]

even u know tht sreesanth was not dropped due to injury or loss of form he was dropped cuz the bcci though he was an embarrasment to the team which is a stupid thing to do' date=' if the player can win the matches then u shouldnt bother with whether he acts like a monkey or liek a statsman. and no i will not stop following team india, because afterall they represent my country and im not like the bcci, i dont see north india or south india, i see only india[/quote'] No it's allright man. You go follow the dancing donkey while he rehabs in different hospitals. Maybe you can start by sending a care package to Sreesanth full of ayurvedic medicines and dance mix tapes. Leave following the team to you know, sane people.