History textbooks in pakistani schools

[THX_1138]

IF you prepared at the level of JEE during high school' date=' you were probably MILES ahead of the freshmen at any US university, MIT/Caltech included.[/quote'] actually i did, and while i did not do well on the JEE... scored a 5 on my chemistry! i did well on the DCE entrance exam, though that exam is not very competitive. Nonetheless, your assumption that i would be miles ahead of the lads at MIT is false. Most of my contemporaries at my university attended this place called the Texas Academy for Math and Science... they actually were at par with me in chemistry and physics... but not in mathematics. Ideally i should have skipped all three semesters of calculus had i been able to spend the extra year of 10th grade studying calculus, but instead, the university stiffed me, and let me leap frog just one semester. Anyways, i still had to take bloody CLEP tests for Physics and Chemistry... and had to wait my entire freshman year before i could take stuff like Advance Linear Algebra or Probability and i am still resentful for that. I had the best teachers in India, i attended one of the finest schools, if not the finest school in Delhi, had the world's most brilliant tutor: my father and i even went to this place called vidyamandir... and still i felt that my potential was not realized because of the year i wasted in 10th grade, just so that the CBSE could create a syllabus dumb enough for most students to pass... That is what i am challenging... if we have the resources, why not introduce multiple hierarchies in high school syllabus? assign GPA instead of 10th grade boards and 12th grade boards? award credit for advance courses, and then watch a batch of even more motivated students graduate from high school!

[THX_1138]

thx 1138 seems to be reading too much of jang and dawn stuff

what does that have to do with my dissatisfaction with the CBSE and the NCERT? to begin with, i dont read those newspapers, just as i dont read TOI or most other indian newspapers... i have a fixed reading: NYT, Houston Chronicle and the occassional Washington Post. nonetheless, my post is about how the NCERT and the CBSE could improve and maybe we should spend resources on that rather than laugh at the ridiculous, and amusing pakistani textbooks.

[Guest dada_rocks]

CBSE syllabus is bull compared to state boards like UP and bihar but it still is better than anywhere in north america.. don`t tell me otherwise I have tutored these 95+% grade guys in engineering school and I am sorry to say they will fail moserably in any state level engg entrance exam let alone jee

[punjabi_khota]

actually i did, and while i did not do well on the JEE... scored a 5 on my chemistry! i did well on the DCE entrance exam, though that exam is not very competitive. Nonetheless, your assumption that i would be miles ahead of the lads at MIT is false. Most of my contemporaries at my university attended this place called the Texas Academy for Math and Science... they actually were at par with me in chemistry and physics... but not in mathematics. Ideally i should have skipped all three semesters of calculus had i been able to spend the extra year of 10th grade studying calculus, but instead, the university stiffed me, and let me leap frog just one semester. Anyways, i still had to take bloody CLEP tests for Physics and Chemistry... and had to wait my entire freshman year before i could take stuff like Advance Linear Algebra or Probability and i am still resentful for that. I had the best teachers in India, i attended one of the finest schools, if not the finest school in Delhi, had the world's most brilliant tutor: my father and i even went to this place called vidyamandir... and still i felt that my potential was not realized because of the year i wasted in 10th grade, just so that the CBSE could create a syllabus dumb enough for most students to pass... That is what i am challenging... if we have the resources, why not introduce multiple hierarchies in high school syllabus? assign GPA instead of 10th grade boards and 12th grade boards? award credit for advance courses, and then watch a batch of even more motivated students graduate from high school!

Arre bhai I know all of what you are saying. I am an IIT grad, had friends who took coaching at VidyaMandir Delhi and I have interacted with undergrads from all top college regularly here in US. I know about the special Math/Science academies you talk about, it is a favorite haunt for the ABCDs. My overall experience has been that JEE type training puts you ahead, especially in Math as you have mentioned. Even if you cannot skip courses, your basics are still supposed to be very good and that probably helped you out a lot during your undergrad. Although my program here in US is only top-15 (since I basically was a lazy ass at IIT and hence couldn't get into better school), but my friends doing PhD. at Stanford and MIT still talk about how they are yet to meet many US educated people with the same quality as we had back in IIT.... Class 10 is different in India because it is a common class for people going into science and non-sciency majors afterwards. So they cannot make it too specific for your needs. Anyways, I think students have a lot on their plates in class XI and XII. Once you basics are solid, you can learn stuff on the go.

[DomainK]

They are teaching their children that killing innocent people is good and you are worried about their history text books?

[sandeep]

Newsjunkie modachod' date=' are you reading this? Contribute.[/quote'] Jesus. Why so worked up Doc?:hmmmm2:

[triam]

What is impressive is that document is authored by two pakistanis. The curriculum is astonishingly biased. Que Sera Que Sera.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Tell any socalled liberal moderate pakistani these facts and he goes on an incoherent alibi drive........

[Sachinism]

Pak textbooks build hate culture against India 27 Dec 2008, 0239 hrs IST, ARIF MOHAMMED KHAN The empowerment of terror in Pakistan has not happened overnight. This is the logical culmination of the politics and policies pursued by Pakistan for years now. Terrorism in Pakistan has its roots in the culture of hate and the ethos of inequality on the ground of religious faith, leading to their being deeply ingrained in the Pakistani psyche and mindset. One factor that has played a crucial role in creating this culture of hate is the educational policy of the government of Pakistan pursued since 1977. The officially prescribed textbooks, especially for school students, are full of references that promote hate against India in general, and Hindus in particular. A cursory glance at Pakistani school textbooks - especially the compulsory subjects like Pakistan studies and social studies - gives an idea of how history has been distorted and a garbled version prescribed to build this mindset and attitude. The objective of Pakistan's education policy has been defined thus in the preface to a Class 6 book: "Social studies have been given special importance in educational policy so that Pakistan's basic ideology assumes the shape of a way of life, its practical enforcement is assured, the concept of social uniformity adopts a practical form and the whole personality of the individual is developed." This statement leaves no doubt that "social uniformity", not national unity, is a part of Pakistan's basic ideology. The Class 5 book has this original discovery about Hindu help to bring British rule to India: "The British had the objective to take over India and to achieve this, they made Hindus join them and Hindus were very glad to side with the British. After capturing the subcontinent, the British began on the one hand the loot of all things produced in this area, and on the other, in conjunction with Hindus, to greatly suppress the Muslims." The Std VIII book says, "Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end." On Indo-Pak wars, the books give detailed descriptions and openly eulogize ‘jihad' and ‘shahadat' and urge students to become ‘mujahids' and martyrs and leave no room for future friendship and cordial relations with India. According to a Class 5 book, "In 1965, the Pakistani army conquered several areas of India, and when India was on the point of being defeated, she requested the United Nations to arrange a ceasefire. After 1965, India, with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, instigated the people living there against the people of West Pakistan, and finally invaded East Pakistan in December 1971. The conspiracy resulted in the separation of East Pakistan from us. All of us should receive military training and be prepared to fight the enemy." The book prescribed for higher secondary students makes no mention of the uprising in East Pakistan in 1971 or the surrender by more than 90,000 Pakistani soldiers. Instead, it claims, "In the 1971 India-Pakistan war, the Pakistan armed forces created new records of bravery and the Indian forces were defeated everywhere." bwahahahahahahaha The students of Class 3 are taught that "Muhammad Ali (Jinnah) felt that Hindus wanted to make Muslims their slaves and since he hated slavery, he left the Congress". At another place it says, "The Congress was actually a party of Hindus. Muslims felt that after getting freedom, Hindus would make them their slaves." And this great historic discovery is taught to Std V students, "Previously, India was part of Pakistan." are you bleeping serious? ZOMG Commenting on this literature that spreads hate, leading Pakistani educationist Tariq Rahman wrote, "It is a fact that the textbooks cannot mention Hindus without calling them cunning, scheming, deceptive or something equally insulting. Students are taught and made to believe that Pakistan needs strong and aggressive policies against India or else Pakistan will be annihilated by it." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pakistani_textbooks_build_hate_culture_against_India/articleshow/3898659.cms --- found this on the front page of digg today