Desi Cartman Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 1- AK is small compared to Northern Areas, read a map. Kya ? U mean Azad Kahmir is 100% of pakistan controlled Kashmir .. if not then Pak is already cheating kashmiris .. Yes or NO .. 2- nope, because the Kashmiris in my family and my friends and the million and one people who are from there with bases in UK love Pakistan and aren't disillusioned like the Bangladeshis were. Trust me, a lot of my family is Kashmiri. Who gives a shyt where your family is from ? Whats ur point ? Bangladeshi were not treated well .. whats the guarantee that Kashmiris will be treated any better ? 3- Kashmiri separatists were backed by Pakistan until 9/11. Nope, dnt think they are responsible for our problems. So yes your country supports terrorist ... thats the title of this thread so you could have just agreed with the OP ... to answer all your questions : Because Pakis keep sending fricking armed terrorists .. thanks to allah now the same morons are killing pakis. Still vistar mein 1- Why doesn't India agree to a plebiscite --- Cuz we said so ... first we need to send KPs back .. for that u gotta stop sending ur bastards first ... 2- Why don't they move their troops away from main towns like Srinagar -- stop sending your trained -armed brothers and then we might .. plus why does it matter to you ? 3- Why don't India try to solve the problem of Kashmir (and yes, I know they were making progress till Mumbai) and thus solve the ONLY issue between India and Pakistan...cuz that's the only problem --- why dont pakis solve their own problems first before worrying any other country :finger:
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Wasn't it the 'Deccan Mujahideen?'...oh, it could have been Lashkar-e-Taiba- or sorry, is it Jaish-e-Muhammad? Oh wait, maybe it was Mohammad Ajmal Qasab...or Amir Qasab...or Ismal Khan.... Get my drift? It really doesn't matter who it was. There was no support from Pak authorities and must not get in the way of solving the Kashmiri dispute- the only problem between the two. India's government can open their mouth and act as a regional bully, but there is no way that there will be a conflict. Promise you- Jammu and Ladakh want you. Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir want Pakistan. Just let the Kashmiri part in Indian-controlled Kashmir decide their fate cuz they're the problem in this whole dispute and LeT etc etc. If the Indian government has the cahoonies to do that then you will never have problems again, I promise you :D How do yoou know that whole world knows mushy used to suffer assassination attempt from his own army generals .. how do you say anythign with surity in case of these lumen army of pakistan official denial notwithstanding.. Whole freaking world knows there is one guy Hamid Gul who runs paraleele army racket in pakistan and is close to LET You worry about baluchistan mate leave kashmir for kashmirris.. bengali ko sath rakh nahin paaye aaye hain kashmirir ka representation karane
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Don't agree. Most Pakistanis wanna live in peace side by side with you We do not want India's destruction...the Kashmiris want a right to choose who they want to live under. Not too much to ask. Worry about baluchistan and allow POk people to rule themselves as opposed to by proxy amry general from islamabad.. we will talk later
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Kya ? U mean Azad Kahmir is 100% of pakistan controlled Kashmir .. if not then Pak is already cheating kashmiris .. Yes or NO .. Who gives a shyt where your family is from ? Whats ur point ? Bangladeshi were not treated well .. whats the guarantee that Kashmiris will be treated any better ? So yes your country supports terrorist ... thats the title of this thread so you could have just agreed with the OP ... to answer all your questions : Because Pakis keep sending fricking armed terrorists .. thanks to allah now the same morons are killing pakis. Still vistar mein Problem is....you call them terrorists and Kashmiris call them freedom fighters. Have you bothered looking at a map of Kashmir? Pakistani Kashmir is made up of Northern areas and Azad Kashmir you bozo! Your line is typical of people who jump on the Kashmiri bandwagon without even knowing about the whole area. Now, the LeT are not killing Pakistanis my friend. Although we have stopped supporting them by funding them, the struggle continues and they will still fight. Hamid Gul....lol, such an easy target. You really don't know anything lmao. As a Pakistani, I lose no sleep over the politics with India, more so the human rights aspect in Kashmir. It constantly amazes me how India is always really worried by Pakistan, when they are on the verge of being a superpower and having bigger things to thing about. I really hate these politicians for stirring up vitriol. If they solved Kashmir, then all would be ok. P.S Baluchistan would be okay without Indian government interference
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Worry about baluchistan and allow POk people to rule themselves as opposed to by proxy amry general from islamabad.. we will talk later P.S. We wouldn't mind letting them rule themselves....cue why we want the Kashmiris involved in peace talks with you. Because people living there should decide what they want and be involved in their future.
The Outsider Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Problem is....you call them terrorists and Kashmiris call them freedom fighters. Have you bothered looking at a map of Kashmir? Pakistani Kashmir is made up of Northern areas and Azad Kashmir you bozo! Your line is typical of people who jump on the Kashmiri bandwagon without even knowing about the whole area. Now, the LeT are not killing Pakistanis my friend. Although we have stopped supporting them by funding them, the struggle continues and they will still fight. Hamid Gul....lol, such an easy target. You really don't know anything lmao. As a Pakistani, I lose no sleep over the politics with India, more so the human rights aspect in Kashmir. It constantly amazes me how India is always really worried by Pakistan, when they are on the verge of being a superpower and having bigger things to thing about. I really hate these politicians for stirring up vitriol. If they solved Kashmir, then all would be ok. P.S Baluchistan would be okay without Indian government interference You really are clueless about Kashmir aren't you? It is Pakistan which is in violation of the first ever UN resolution asking Pakistan to withdraw troops from all of Kashmir - let Pakistan fulfill it's side of the bargain first and then talk about India. You are barking up the wrong tree by shifting the blame on India. How do you expect India to trust anything Pakistan says on the issue if they have not complied with the first ever UN resolution?
Ram Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Every country has a moderate group and the extremist group. Its in our interest to do whatever it takes to prop the moderate forces and weaken the extremist ones.
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Well, the mainly muslim state was meant for Pakistan- a transgretion in the first place being given to India. Cue why the Pathans took some of it back to its rightful place. And you....you must be one of Omar Abdullah's puppets...lol So why is it that all Azad Kashmiris love Pakistan and people I know from Srinagar love Pakistan and detest India? And u talk about resolutions- hold a plebiscite without a gun to the Kashmiri heads and stop ruling by the gun. The Kashmir part of Indian controlled Kashmir is the MOOT POINT here. They want indepedence or Pakistani rule. Jammu and Ladakh 4 India, Northern Areas, Azad Kashmir for Pakistan. Debate over
Ram Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Well, the mainly muslim state was meant for Pakistan- a transgretion in the first place being given to India. Cue why the Pathans took some of it back to its rightful place. And you....you must be one of Omar Abdullah's puppets...lol So why is it that all Azad Kashmiris love Pakistan and people I know from Srinagar love Pakistan and detest India? And u talk about resolutions- hold a plebiscite without a gun to the Kashmiri heads and stop ruling by the gun. Debate over Pure unadulterated NONSENE. You have the cheek to talk about UN Resolutions and holding the plebicite without the rule of the gun, when YOUR govt. has for YEARS, promoted proxy-war as an instrument of state policy, repeatedly intervening in Jammu and Kashmir. Do you ever care to look at your side before pointing fingers at others? Stop looking ridiculous.
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah, my side is cool, which is why I look over to yours and the suffering. Btw, Kashmiris themselves rise up against Indian army bs too. Jus let the Kashmiri valley decide their future. The Kashmiri valley is the moot point.
coffee_rules Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 If Pakistan wants a plebiscite/parasite or whatever that is, let Kashmiri Pandits that were driven out of the state inhumanely by their very own neighbors, get to vote too. Let's us see who wants what then. Alas, with all the bhai-chara...in the end the true colors of a Paki comes out when the K-word is uttered.
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Yep. Best do it on a regional basis. 5 sets- Northern Areas, Azad Kashmir, Kashmiri valley, Jammu, Ladakh I suspect that results would be:- Northern areas- Pakistan Azad Kashmir- Pakistan Indian Kashmiri valley- Independence Jammu- India Ladakh- India
Ram Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah' date= my side is cool, which is why I look over to yours and the suffering. Btw, Kashmiris themselves rise up against Indian army bs too. Jus let the Kashmiri valley decide their future. The Kashmiri valley is the moot point. THAT, my dear friend, is the funniest sh!t I've heard in my life. Your 'side' is on the verge of civil war, your govt. does not control large swathes of your own territory, is broke and begs with other donors for alms. Quite a 'cool' situation that. And once again, dont ever come to Indians and talk about us giving our people the 'right to self' determination. Its a miracle if your civilian govt. completes one full term and here you are telling Indians about 'deciding their future'? Oh I've heard it all! :haha:
The Outsider Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 Well, the mainly muslim state was meant for Pakistan- a transgretion in the first place being given to India. Cue why the Pathans took some of it back to its rightful place. And you....you must be one of Omar Abdullah's puppets...lol So why is it that all Azad Kashmiris love Pakistan and people I know from Srinagar love Pakistan and detest India? And u talk about resolutions- hold a plebiscite without a gun to the Kashmiri heads and stop ruling by the gun. The Kashmir part of Indian controlled Kashmir is the MOOT POINT here. They want indepedence or Pakistani rule. Jammu and Ladakh 4 India, Northern Areas, Azad Kashmir for Pakistan. Debate over More cluelessness! At the time of independence every ruler of an independent state was given the right to choose where he would like to go - Kashmir's ruler acceded to India legally. And you really should be ashamed of yourself and your government calling terrorists instrumental in the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmir Valley as freedom fighters. How can a plebiscite be held in Kashmir if Pakistan does not comply with the UN resolutions and people who have lived there for centuries are not a part of it because the "freedom fighters" have ethnically cleansed the valley of them.
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 More cluelessness! At the time of independence every ruler of an independent state was given the right to choose where he would like to go - Kashmir's ruler acceded to India legally. And you really should be ashamed of yourself and your government calling terrorists instrumental in the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmir Valley as freedom fighters. How can a plebiscite be held in Kashmir if Pakistan does not comply with the UN resolutions and people who have lived there for centuries are not a part of it because the "freedom fighters" have ethnically cleansed the valley of them. And the Indian army are really better for raping women and burning houses and beating up and killing men and children in the valley. Shwetabh- you're actually a joke- bend over backwards to prove yourself an equal.lmao. Some people on this forum actually hate Muslims matey and you lick their behinds. I'm sure you're related to Mr Abdullah P.S. to all, the Kashmiri problem existed before our recent problems. My best friends are Indian and said that it is not in their interests to solve Kashmir....and one said India should 'gas' the Kashmiris, which shows just how much he cares. How about India trying to reconstitute the ethnic balance in Kashmir and the Amarnath episode? Are India frightened of a plebiscite?! I am enjoying this healthy debate, keep it coming :D
The Outsider Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 And the Indian army are really better for raping women and burning houses and beating up and killing men and children in the valley. Shwetabh- you're actually a joke- bend over backwards to prove yourself an equal.lmao. Some people on this forum actually hate Muslims matey and you lick their behinds. I'm sure you're related to Mr Abdullah P.S. to all, the Kashmiri problem existed before our recent problems. My best friends are Indian and said that it is not in their interests to solve Kashmir....and one said India should 'gas' the Kashmiris, which shows just how much he cares. How about India trying to reconstitute the ethnic balance in Kashmir and the Amarnath episode? Are India frightened of a plebiscite?! I am enjoying this healthy debate, keep it coming :D Would the human rights violation in Kashmir have occured in the first place and would it have required such a large presence of the Indian army in the first place if it were not for the "moral support" to "freedom fighters" Pakistan provided not caring a damn about what the ruler of Kashmir decided and what the UN resolution mandated? And yes, there are human rights violation in Kashmir as there are in every militant zone, but not at the scale Pakistan would like the world to believe. As for Muslim hater, have a chat with some on the forum - they consider me a Mullah and Jihadi. So why don't you guys have a talk and decide which one is it? When has India tried to reconstitute the ethinc balance in Kashmir - it remains illegal for an outsider to buy land in Kashmir and what about the Amarnath episode - it was a few acres of uninhabited land being leased out temporarily to people on a pilgrimage. You find that wrong? India is not afraid of a plebiscite but things have to be done in a logical, chronological order - Pakistan must comply with the first UN resolution on the issue and withdraw it's troops from Kashmir for that to happen.
siddhu Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 hmmm... it takes about 4 days for the real pakistani to come out of all the sweet talk that mr hassan was doing.
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 brother, you're someone that wants peace shwetabh. To me anyway. I seriously believe that the only solution in the year 2009 onwards is LoC as an international border. But come on, if Pakistan withdraw troops, then India will just walk in to AK. I would be fully for Pakistan to remove troops and thus a plebiscite, just so you know :D
hassan_113 Posted February 13, 2009 Posted February 13, 2009 hmmm... it takes about 4 days for the real pakistani to come out of all the sweet talk that mr hassan was doing. My opinions on Kashmir do not deter from my liking of the country India and the people in India who treated me wonderfully. I don't like your governmental policies. There is a difference. I hope that peace prevails and if that means LoC=international border, then so be it :D I'm having a debate. Nothing wrong with opposing views. I respect that your views are different...life would be boring if we all thought the same.
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