Rajiv Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 People are talking about Sukhwindr, Gulzar..how about Marathi Manoos Manjrekar? he was an integral part of the movie
rahulrulezz Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Shankar Mahadevan is no where close to ARR as a music composer..Rahman is way above him..as a singer I feel it is quite close but being a biased Rahmaniac i wud go with ARR as a better singer too..I still cant imagine anyone else singing this particular song better than ARR..this is his best ever song as a singer.. YouTube - Sillunu Oru Kadhal - New York Nagaram - A. R. Rahman - [ High Quality ] he has literally lived this song :) even though i dont understand a single word of thE song but I have already listened it 10 times by now... amazing tune .. can you suggest me some of his other masterpieces from South Indian movies...
flamy Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 People are talking about Sukhwindr' date=' Gulzar..how about Marathi Manoos Manjrekar? he was an integral part of the movie[/quote'] :--D:--D
fineleg Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 even though i dont understand a single word of thE song but I have already listened it 10 times by now... amazing tune .. can you suggest me some of his other masterpieces from South Indian movies... so many masterpieces from ARR in South Indian movies - I personally like Roja very much. There are several - I'll post some, I'm sure others here have the favs they'll post too.
Don Sharma Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 True Legends - I.R. and A.R.R. Fantastic music from both of them - different kind of music, but still great. ARR is more known coz he knows Hindi, ur spot on. The fact is Dilip Kumar(alias ARR) played keyboard for the Maestro in his early days, even Sivamani has his grassroots from Raja and SPB.There is one song from the Malayalam film Olangal (I think) which is really messmerising. Infact he did a new version of the song a couple of years back for one of the TV shows.
fineleg Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 The fact is Dilip Kumar(alias ARR) played keyboard for the Maestro in his early days' date=' even Sivamani has his grassroots from Raja and SPB.There is one song from the Malayalam film Olangal (I think) which is really messmerising. Infact he did a new version of the song a couple of years back for one of the TV shows.[/quote'] Interesting...from Wiki it seems even he worked in orchestra of M.S. Viswanathan: Allah Rakha Rahman (Tamil: ஏ.ஆர்.ரகுமான்; born January 6, 1967 in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India as A. S. Dileep Kumar Early life and influences A. R. Rahman was born in a musically affluent Tamil family. His father R. K. Shekhar, was a Chennai based composer and conductor for Malayalam films. Rahman lost his father at a young age and his family rented out musical equipment as a source of income. During these formative years, Rahman served as a keyboard player and an arranger in bands such as "Roots", with childhood friend and percussionist Sivamani, John Anthony, Suresh Peters, JoJo and Raja. [5] Rahman is the founder of the Chennai-based rock group, "Nemesis Avenue".[6] He played the keyboard and piano, the synthesizer, the harmonium and the guitar. His curiosity in the synthesizer, in particular increased because, he says, it was the “ideal combination of music and technology".[7] He began early training in music under Master Dhanraj. At the age of 11, he joined, as a keyboardist, the troupe of Ilaiyaraaja,[7] one of many composers to whom musical instruments belonging to Rahman's father were rented. Rahman later played in the orchestra of M. S. Viswanathan and Ramesh Naidu, accompanied Zakir Hussain, Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan and L. Shankar on world tours and obtained a scholarship to the Trinity College of Music where he graduated with a degree in Western classical music.[8] Career Film scoring and soundtracks In 1992, Rahman began his own music recording and mixing studio attached to the backyard of his house called the Panchathan Record Inn, which was developed into India's most advanced recording studio.[9] He initially composed music jingles for advertisements, Indian Television channels and music scores in documentaries, among other projects. In 1992, he was approached by film director Mani Ratnam to compose the score and soundtrack for Ratnam's Tamil film Roja.[9] The debut led Rahman to receive the Rajat Kamal award for Best Music Director at the National Film Awards, the first time ever by a first-time film composer. Rahman has since then gone on to win the award three more times (for his scores for Minsaara Kanavu (Electric Dreams, Tamil) in 1997, Lagaan (Tax, Hindi) in 2002, Kannathil Muthamittal (A Peck on the Cheek, Tamil) in 2003, the most ever by any composer.[10]
graphic23 Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 The fact is Dilip Kumar(alias ARR) played keyboard for the Maestro in his early days' date=' even Sivamani has his grassroots from Raja and SPB.There is one song from the Malayalam film Olangal (I think) which is really messmerising. Infact he did a new version of the song a couple of years back for one of the TV shows.[/quote'] The name's Allah Rakha Rahman - not Dilip Kumar. It is not an alias.
Don Sharma Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 The name's Allah Rakha Rahman - not Dilip Kumar. It is not an alias. He is a Muslim convert.
graphic23 Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 He is a Muslim convert. He's muslim. End of story. So his name is AR Rahman. I don't know about him but I find it offending if you're going to call him Dilip despite his name not being so.
Don Sharma Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 He's muslim. End of story. So his name is AR Rahman. I don't know about him but I find it offending if you're going to call him Dilip despite his name not being so. He was Dilip Kumar then, I had no intention of offending him r his religion. Btw I am not too much into this 'religion' thing either, I had been an atheist for quite a while. If I had sounded like offending him, apologies. End of the story.
Lurker Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 There is one legend named Ilayaraja. It is a pity that he doesn know Hindi and not many know him outside South India. Ilayaraja is quite well know in Hindi belt, specially by fans who know their music. His work in Sadma is classic. Aae Jindagi gale laga le is one of my all time favorite.
Lurker Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 not even close. Rahman combines beats' date= tunes, hooks and different cultures of music like no one else in the history of music. Only person comparable to Rahman would prolly be Dre. Man seriously that has got to be the weirdest line I have read on this website, and I have read quite a few trust me. Rahman mixes beats, tunes like no one in the history of music??? Seriously what kind of hyperbole is that? Rahman doesnt hold a remote candle to Salil Chowdhary when it comes to orchestration. I can also rattle half a dozen names who are better than ARR. What completes the weirdness is that you then compare ARR with Dr Dre. I wont get too harsh on you since in the end music is extremely personal thing. What works for me wont work for you, looks to me definitely it wont work on you. xxxx
Shehezaada Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Man seriously that has got to be the weirdest line I have read on this website, and I have read quite a few trust me. Rahman mixes beats, tunes like no one in the history of music??? Seriously what kind of hyperbole is that? Rahman doesnt hold a remote candle to Salil Chowdhary when it comes to orchestration. I can also rattle half a dozen names who are better than ARR. What completes the weirdness is that you then compare ARR with Dr Dre. I wont get too harsh on you since in the end music is extremely personal thing. What works for me wont work for you, looks to me definitely it wont work on you. xxxx OK that's a little over the top in the history of music, I'll admit. But how about people right now, contemporary music, better then Rehman? And Dre compares quite well with Rehman. He revolutionized Rap in the late 80s/90s with G-Funk.
Lurker Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 OK that's a little over the top in the history of music, I'll admit. But how about people right now, contemporary music, better then Rehman? Thats kinda awkward comparison for me. I mean most of the music directors today beg-borrow-steal to get a hit. Not that earlier musicians didnt do the same but modern ones take the cake. But yes ARR is quite good. And Dre compares quite well with Rehman. He revolutionized Rap in the late 80s/90s with G-Funk. Dre has his plus points but he really did not revolutionalize RAP, in my opinion. RAP was revolutionized by NWA, Tupac, Biggie even someone like Ice Cube in his formative years. Those hardcore RAP won its adulation amongst youngsters, not the funkly grooves. The funk came later and in a way it merged RAP with R&B. To be fair in terms of impact I would put Eazy E ahead of Dre. His diss on Dre and Snoop Dogg is still a classic. xxx
Shehezaada Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Thats kinda awkward comparison for me. I mean most of the music directors today beg-borrow-steal to get a hit. Not that earlier musicians didnt do the same but modern ones take the cake. But yes ARR is quite good. Dre has his plus points but he really did not revolutionalize RAP, in my opinion. RAP was revolutionized by NWA, Tupac, Biggie even someone like Ice Cube in his formative years. Those hardcore RAP won its adulation amongst youngsters, not the funkly grooves. The funk came later and in a way it merged RAP with R&B. To be fair in terms of impact I would put Eazy E ahead of Dre. His diss on Dre and Snoop Dogg is still a classic. xxx And guess who was NWA's chief producer? Dre! And your making a mistake in comparing Tupac (greatest rapper of all time), Biggie, Cube, and E with Dre, who is first a producer, and then a rapper. Dre never set the stage alight with his lyrics, infact he's kind of awful sometimes with his lyrics. But the tracks he's produced, year after year, are ridiculous. And the funk didn't come later, Dre started screwing around with it in Straight Outta Compton but didn't put it out because he thought it was a little soft. As early as 92 when he dropped The Chronic, everyone, including East Coast, was feeling it. When something totally new comes out and everyone is down with it and it starts producing hit singles, I'd damn well call it a revolution. And Eazy? Gimme a break man. You think Eazy impacted the game more then Dre? You gotta be outta your mind. Dre Day still remains as one of the best diss tracks of all time, and better then anything Eazy's put out. Eazy's a great rapper sure, better then Dre at rapping, but Dre has written and produced #1 hits then Eazy.
Lurker Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 And guess who was NWA's chief producer? Dre! And your making a mistake in comparing Tupac (greatest rapper of all time), Biggie, Cube, and E with Dre, who is first a producer, and then a rapper. Dre never set the stage alight with his lyrics, infact he's kind of awful sometimes with his lyrics. But the tracks he's produced, year after year, are ridiculous. Yes and NWA also was successful when it had everyone, Ice Cube including. The day Ice Cube left NWA went down the pooper. I am not dismissing Dre mind you. Just that I am going to be very apprehensive if you suggest noone has revolutionazied RAP like Dre. I think its fair to say if there was a poll Dre would come much further down the list after Tupac, Biggie etc. And the funk didn't come later, Dre started screwing around with it in Straight Outta Compton but didn't put it out because he thought it was a little soft. As early as 92 when he dropped The Chronic, everyone, including East Coast, was feeling it. When something totally new comes out and everyone is down with it and it starts producing hit singles, I'd damn well call it a revolution. Chronic was good, I will give you that. And when I say later I meant early 90s, not in 2000s. Even in 90s funk had arrived. Remember the beat of Ice Ice Baby(Vanilla Ice)? To me it was RAP and R&B fusion. And Eazy? Gimme a break man. You think Eazy impacted the game more then Dre? You gotta be outta your mind. Dre Day still remains as one of the best diss tracks of all time, and better then anything Eazy's put out. Eazy's a great rapper sure, better then Dre at rapping, but Dre has written and produced #1 hits then Eazy. Well then we have to differ on that. I think Eazy impact was lot more than Dre. Dre has a much longer, and successful run, but in sheer impact(and electricity) Eazy E was ahead. I love the way he dissed Dre and Snoop (where did you find the anorexic rapper?? lol ). Probably the top most diss track alongside Tupac's Hit Em Up. xxx
Shehezaada Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Yes and NWA also was successful when it had everyone, Ice Cube including. The day Ice Cube left NWA went down the pooper. I am not dismissing Dre mind you. Just that I am going to be very apprehensive if you suggest noone has revolutionazied RAP like Dre. I think its fair to say if there was a poll Dre would come much further down the list after Tupac, Biggie etc. Chronic was good, I will give you that. And when I say later I meant early 90s, not in 2000s. Even in 90s funk had arrived. Remember the beat of Ice Ice Baby(Vanilla Ice)? To me it was RAP and R&B fusion. Well then we have to differ on that. I think Eazy impact was lot more than Dre. Dre has a much longer, and successful run, but in sheer impact(and electricity) Eazy E was ahead. I love the way he dissed Dre and Snoop (where did you find the anorexic rapper?? lol ). Probably the top most diss track alongside Tupac's Hit Em Up. xxx aight man. lot of it comes down to personal liking so no problems. Just like your not knocking dre, i'm not knocking Eazy either. And ya the anorexic rapper was off the hook. Hit Em Up was sick (Biggie remember when i used to let you sleep on the couch, used to beg a ***** to sleep with you on the house). Dre day is good, and I forget the name but someone dropped a track on LL Cool J called Knockout, that was ridculous.
Rajiv Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 Ilayaraja is quite well know in Hindi belt, specially by fans who know their music. His work in Sadma is classic. Aae Jindagi gale laga le is one of my all time favorite. ....vow, didn't know that - that song is something special
ludhianvi Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 People are talking about Sukhwindr' date=' Gulzar..how about Marathi Manoos Manjrekar? he was an integral part of the movie[/quote'] ..was expecting a bit more
Lurker Posted March 5, 2009 Posted March 5, 2009 ....vow' date=' didn't know that - that song is something special[/quote'] Yep. Sadma has some fantastic music really. But like the movie it remains underrated. Not sure why that is really. The movie has terrific direction(Balu Mahendroo with Hrishikesh Mukherjee pitching in from time to time). Superb acting by Kamal and SriDevi. Heartbreaking climax too. Other songs also deserve a mention. Surmari Ankhiyon mein nanha munna ek sapna. Classic. Also one of my favorite racy songs in Hindi cine history - O Babua ye mahua mahakne laga hai. By the way bet you did not know all these songs were written by Gulzar :winky:
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