flamy Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Hmm... I think he meant he expects stuff not to work out and just has backup plans for it. And not worrying about it in the interim?
f.b.m Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Whole of North Japan was thinking Tsunami ...come to me.. This is the example that I usually give. Its not even funny because quite a few people I knew lost their lives in the December 26th Tsunami. And for those who care about logic, this is why it fails: Its unfalsifiable and therefore bs. It might make for warm and fuzzy feelings but ask yourselves this question: How many times have you thought of someone only not to hear a call from them the next minute/day?
Vijay.Sharma Posted April 30, 2011 Posted April 30, 2011 I see. The Self or the self? they are the same thing...they are One. 'the self' is an individuated expression of The Self.
Vijay.Sharma Posted April 30, 2011 Posted April 30, 2011 The primal question that has seemed unanswerable and civilizations have brooded over and individuals have remembered...in fact the question is beyond religion which is a specific belief system and science which is another specific belief system. The question, expressed in physical terms is this: If everything is made up of atoms then what is the difference between animate and inanimate things in the universe? Put in a different way, can we manufacture a living thing like say an amoeba...we know what it is made up of...not difficult to even figure out the quantities of different atoms and molecules and compounds and chemicals that make up the amoeba. So, theoretically we should be able to manufacture one, right? If we do manufacture an amoeba then will it be an animate thingy? If it is an animate thingy then did we create it? Essentially if all of the universe is made up of atoms then when does one constitution of these atoms become an animate entity and when does one become an inanimate entity. Here's one theory (the video) ... Of course it does not the specific question in question-answer format but is a hypothesis http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789&hl=en&emb=1#
punjabi_khota Posted April 30, 2011 Posted April 30, 2011 The primal question that has seemed unanswerable and civilizations have brooded over and individuals have remembered...in fact the question is beyond religion which is a specific belief system and science which is another specific belief system. :hysterical::hysterical: Oh man...how we missed you here :hatsoff:
Vijay.Sharma Posted April 30, 2011 Posted April 30, 2011 :hysterical::hysterical: Oh man...how we missed you here :hatsoff: :-) Anyway, if they are not belief systems what are they?
nikred Posted April 30, 2011 Posted April 30, 2011 But whats the price of the time spent in negativity before the actual event? A lot of our life is spent in between 'events' and most of the happiness I have had havent been when I have succeded or failed in something but in the time spent in anticipation and at the aftermath of that thing Hmm... I think he meant he expects stuff not to work out and just has backup plans for it. And not worrying about it in the interim? What Flamy typed is exactly what I meant. I know its not an easy thing but its something I developed naturally even as a kid. The trick is to just expect it not to succeed and even if it succeeds it will not last forever but at the same time not to dwell on the 'what if' , 'what could have been'. When I was a 5 year old kid our family business ran into total loss and we have to sell our bungalow and move to a small house. I was too young to understand and was little confused on what was happening. But as I grew older I realized even success is not always permanent just be prepared for failure you will always be better equipped when it really comes over. Yes, I have been accused of not showing too much emotion when I succeed in anything but I was also praised for being strong when I was going through a lean patch. At the end of the day I do enjoy my life and I am happy with whatever I have. I am not saying this is a perfect way to live life but it does make me more relaxed and a little detached to the materialistic needs.
flamy Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 ^ meh, pessimists have the advantage of having wonly pleasant surprises
nikred Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 ^ meh, pessimists have the advantage of having wonly pleasant surprises I don't like that term. It's mostly used for people who always whine and create a negative environment. I am not a whiner, in fact I have been around many and I hate them to the core. I just don't take life too seriously. I don't go around saying I am bound to fail in what I did, I just say I don't know lets just wait and watch. Though sometimes I tend to even delude my mind even when deep down inside I know I am bound to succeed. It's just to save myself from any heartbreaks. :P Controlled Pessimism has its positives. :--D
Vijay.Sharma Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 I don't like that term. It's mostly used for people who always whine and create a negative environment. I am not a whiner, in fact I have been around many and I hate them to the core. I just don't take life too seriously. I don't go around saying I am bound to fail in what I did, I just say I don't know lets just wait and watch. Though sometimes I tend to even delude my mind even when deep down inside I know I am bound to succeed. It's just to save myself from any heartbreaks. :P Controlled Pessimism has its positives. :--DWhat you say here is slightly different from what you say about not expecting anything...in your words, " I approach everything negatively, expecting I won't succeed in it." I think what you meant to say is more related to the 'outcome' of what you do and your nature that of it not affecting your 'be'. You seem to know that your happiness or sadness is temporary so balls to the outcome anyway when it is temporary...why bother investing any expectations in it? This is a beaut! And from my perspective this is exactly what Flamy is trying to say about the 'be'. You are be-ing unaffected by any possible outcome...and hence you are doing what best (or worst or any degrees between the 2 extremes) you choose to do...which will result in whatever you get/have. Fair call that
nikred Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 What you say here is slightly different from what you say about not expecting anything...in your words' date=' "[b'] I approach everything negatively, expecting I won't succeed in it." I think what you meant to say is more related to the 'outcome' of what you do and your nature that of it not affecting your 'be'. You seem to know that your happiness or sadness is temporary so balls to the outcome anyway when it is temporary...why bother investing any expectations in it? This is a beaut! And from my perspective this is exactly what Flamy is trying to say about the 'be'. Yeah, that sentence came out wrong, but you understood what I meant. :P I would replace happiness or sadness with success and failure. I don't see success or failure as ever lasting. This is what I meant when I say I am detached emotionally. I don't let the outcome of anything affect my state of happiness. You won't see me jumping around when successful nor go in a depression when I fail. I just want to enjoy my life, do my best and take whatever comes my way.
yoda Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 Question for gaize like flamy and Cricketics - what part does your action play?
Prakat Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 For those who are interested in finding and making sense of life and the common patterns linking all our lives and experiences I'd recommend including this in your reading list: The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. Available in all online bookstores. Campbell also articulated his ideas through the "Hero's Journey" which as a by-product has become the blueprint for what we call Hollywood movies . First adopted by Lucas in his Star Wars screenplay and its visible in everything from The Shawshank Redemption, Finding Nemo, A Few Good Men and the Titanic to Goodfellas, The Matrix, There Will Be Blood, The King's Speech and the Bourne Trilogy.
flamy Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 Question for gaize like flamy and Cricketics - what part does your action play? The thing with The Secret was that it gave a very airy-fairy representation of the whole thing. I am not a fan at all of the book or the movie but atleast it got the word out, so that's good. We are living in the physical dimension, so action plays an equally important role as your thinking patterns. The only difference being that aligned action produces much better, quicker and much easier results than the usual struggle that most people go through. When you take action from a place of positive expectation (not hope), things just seem to fall in place, and after the goal you have been wanting has been achieved, you end up feeling as if it was all magic (when you look at it objectively, of course it wasnt. you did DO certain things, in a certain way, to get wherever you got to. Subjectively however, it all feels miraculous) When I talk to my friends about this, I ask them to totally forget about the "Universe conspiring to make their dreams come true" because it just is so far out of their reality that they spend all their effort in trying to convince themselves, or just trash the whole thing and continue making life harder for themselves. Your beliefs make your reality. If you believe you have to work your ass off to "deserve" riches, you are absolutely right. So, all you have to do is answer an elementary question: Would you rather be right or would you rather be happy? If you ask me that, I'd say I wanna be both, but let us start small :D Happiness is inevitable.
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